NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #11

[carpanthers]

Consider the conflicting nature of these accounts:

In his statement to UMPD, he says that “Maura was in bed when I woke up around 10 a.m. Maura woke around 10:30. She told me about the accident.” This is a sworn statement by Fred Murray in an official police interview.

Fred Murray appears on the “Disappeared” broadcast, and states the following on camera: “Sunday morning, uh, Maura woke me up. She, uh, she had come back, you know, uh, during the night,and uh, told me that she’d had an accident in my car” (5:14).

How does this deception make Maura look better? It doesn't. This confusion over whether she woke him up or was sleeping when he woke up results from Fred's knowledge that they were both awake.

 

[carpanthers]

The statements by Sara and Kate alone of course do not prove there was no party. There is no proof that the party didn't happen. Kate's inability to remember who was there is not the important part. The important part is that because of her inability to remember, and because of Sara's claim that she was unconscious, this party is unverifiable.

The party itself is not the suspicious part. The suspicious part is that Fred Murray tells us that this is why the girls went back to the dorms, and that he says he told them "it was too late." He says they replied that "it doesn't get started until late," which is a clear claim that they wanted to go back to party. Why would Fred tell them it was too late? They have to return to campus to bring Kate to her dorm, no matter what. The only alternative is that Fred, Maura and Kate share Fred's motel room, which is bizarre.

Clearly Kate had always planned to return to campus, and they had always planned to bring her there. Maybe Fred dropped both of them off, or maybe he just dropped off Kate. Maybe Maura, for some unknown reason, was returning to his motel room with him. Then she wouldn't have even had to meet him at the accident scene.

Why would Kate and Sara lie about this? Because they are good friends and they didn't "want to get Maura in trouble." When she first went missing, they could have thought that she would be in trouble for insurance fraud as well, which she would be.

 

[DayLea]

IMO carpanthers makes some great points regarding the deceptive nature of FM's statements. If anyone wishes to look further into this from a statement analysis perspective, check out the post on the Statement Analysis Blogspot page, and the subsequent comments. (Wasn't sure if I could link that here, but it's easy enough to find via Google).

This angle has got me thinking about deception in general and its place in the dynamics of a dysfunctional family. It seems evident that FM is deceptive; however, it is HIGHLY evident that Maura herself was deceptive in nature. She stole, committed fraud, had an affair, etc. I'm not judging her. Rather, I feel that deception was likely taught to her from a very young age. I feel this way based on my own personal experience. I grew up in a highly dysfunctional family and was raised by an extremely proud mother who began teaching me to lie at a very young age when it came to our ugly truths. So, deception was ingrained into me and indeed manifested into related negative and even criminal behaviors as I grew older, some of them not dissimilar to what Maura seemed to be going through. Of course every scenario is different, but Maura must have picked up these behaviors somewhere, and from where I stand, her behavior screams "family issues" to me. I'm biased based on my own experience of course.

I want to add a little more here, because I feel it could be relevant. In the end I was diagnosed with Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. If you don't know, this is different than the PTSD you hear about most often, which is usually the result of a single traumatic event. C-PTSD is the result of repeated and prolonged trauma. I won't launch into a lengthy explanation, but if you're interested in reading more about this, here's a link with great info: http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/PTSD-overview/complex-ptsd.asp. Maura's erratic behavior could absolutely be a result of C-PTSD. That would then leave the question of, what were the repeated traumas?

So what do I think happened to Maura? I'm not sure. But I do believe she left of her own accord and that she was trying to get away from her father. Forever. JMO of course. It seems to me that something happened "that weekend" and Maura simply couldn't take it anymore. carpanthers' points about the inconsistencies in FM's statements, especially regarding what actually happened at the hotel, raise a lot of concerns for me. I want to make it clear that I'm speculating, not accusing.

Did Maura succeed in escaping? I hope so. I hope that she caught a ride with someone after her accident, an innocent person who had no idea what they were getting involved in, that she got dropped off at some unknown point, and found her way to a new life. I hope she reads these posts and finds them somewhat entertaining. But I know it's also possible that a crime of opportunity occurred that night, which, if I'm right about my suspicions, would be the most heartbreaking and unfair conclusion I can imagine.

Sorry for all the redundancy & I hope this was clear and somewhat helpful.

 

[sandcastle]

carpathers- I think the fault in your thinking here is that Kate and Sara both mention that Maura wanted to return Fred's car before the accident. Also if Fred where driving the car back himself and had the car accident. In your theory, Fred call Maura on here cell phone to come and get him. While not out of the realm of possibilities, that call exchange would have come up when LE got ahold of Fred's and Maura's phone records. Also it is claimed that Maura left her cell phone at Sara's dorm room and why she had to use Fred's cell the next day for her calls. It is stated that Maura got her phone back from Sara later on in the day from Sara when they where working at the art gallery.

 

[DayLea]

Kate: "It didn't make any sense. Why would Maura who'd had a few drinks and seemed tired, go to the trouble of driving all the way to her dad's hotel in the middle of the night? When she didn't need to?"

Snipped by me. This is the million dollar question. IMO.

 

[carpanthers]

carpathers- I think the fault in your thinking here is that Kate and Sara both mention that Maura wanted to return Fred's car before the accident. Also if Fred where driving the car back himself and had the car accident. In your theory, Fred call Maura on here cell phone to come and get him. While not out of the realm of possibilities, that call exchange would have come up when LE got ahold of Fred's and Maura's phone records. Also it is claimed that Maura left her cell phone at Sara's dorm room and why she had to use Fred's cell the next day for her calls. It is stated that Maura got her phone back from Sara later on in the day from Sara when they where working at the art gallery.

We don't have their phone records for that night. Even if LE knew about all of this, why would they tell us? Furthermore, it could have been that Maura was already in the car with him. I want to know why he told them it was too late to go to the dorm when they already had to bring Kate back. He is insinuating that Kate was going to stay in the motel room with them, which is downright strange and I don't believe it.

I think the fault in your thinking is that Kate and Sara have no motive to lie here. They want to protect their friend. According to the Boston Globe, one of them withheld information from the police, and then told them that she didn't "want to get Maura in trouble." The statements made to the public by Kate and Sara should be seriously called into question because of this. Kate and Sara's comments to the media that she wanted to return the car are worthless. (Actually, I think Sara was supposed to be unconscious at the time she left, so I wouldn't take her word for it).

Again, we don't have their phone records for that night, and you are presuming that LE would tell us even if they knew for a fact that Fred did this. It doesn't hinder the public's ability to search for her or recognize her in any way, and would just inflame tempers and lend credence to the increasingly improbable idea that Maura is missing of her own accord.

It wouldn't be incredibly strange if Maura was accompanying Fred back to the motel, and she may have even been in the car. She wouldn't have had to call him at all if that were the case. But it would be incredibly, absurdly, unbelievably strange to think that Kate, Maura and Fred were going to share a motel room. So why did Fred tell them not to go?

 

[scoops]

I just want to once again point out that I don't think sara and kate were anything more than casual friends.

I don't see the deception that others are seeing from these two about anything.

I am sure both were interviewed by police. My belief is that Sara likely told police everyone's name that was at her get-together that Saturday night and when Kate was interviewed, she may have very innocently enough, not known the names of all the guests.


But that is not deception.

Both girls have at least implied that Maura was a private person who liked to handle her personal business on her own.



To correct an earlier post: there was an accident report released from that first car accident (I have a copy) and Maura wasn't charged with anything. She was cited in the police report for driver inattention (A move to assign blame to her for insurance reasons).

She was taken to her father's hotel by the tow truck driver. I am 99 percent sure that has been verified. the crashed car was also dumped at the hotel parking lot and sat there until Fred found out about it the next morning and made arrangements for it to be towed from the hotel.

From everything I have researched about this, the only person whose actions seem somewhat suspicious that night are Maura's and no one else.

 

[carpanthers]

I just want to once again point out that I don't think sara and kate were anything more than casual friends.

I don't see the deception that others are seeing from these two about anything.

I am sure both were interviewed by police. My belief is that Sara likely told police everyone's name that was at her get-together that Saturday night and when Kate was interviewed, she may have very innocently enough, not known the names of all the guests.


But that is not deception.

Both girls have at least implied that Maura was a private person who liked to handle her personal business on her own.



To correct an earlier post: there was an accident report released from that first car accident (I have a copy) and Maura wasn't charged with anything. She was cited in the police report for driver inattention (A move to assign blame to her for insurance reasons).

She was taken to her father's hotel by the tow truck driver. I am 99 percent sure that has been verified. the crashed car was also dumped at the hotel parking lot and sat there until Fred found out about it the next morning and made arrangements for it to be towed from the hotel.

From everything I have researched about this, the only person whose actions seem somewhat suspicious that night are Maura's and no one else.

I agree that she was taken to the hotel by the tow truck driver. This doesn't mean Fred was never at the scene. I have never seen a copy of the police report, but I will take your word for it that you have it.

The Globe reported that one of them withheld information from police, and then stated that she didn't "want to get Maura in trouble." If this is accurate, that means one of them was, without a doubt, deceptive. And they were deceptive with the police, which is more serious than being deceptive with the media.

I don't think that Sara and Kate had anything to do with Maura's disappearance. I think their only crime was trying to be a good friend to Maura. But I do think one of them withheld information to protect Maura, and I think the information that was withheld was about the unverifiable party.

Fred Murray has been deceptive so many times I have lost count. Watch the Disappeared video where he lies to our faces about Maura waking him up. If you think that is the truth, try reconciling it with his sworn police statement.

 

[carpanthers]

I also want to be quite clear that I don't think anybody should be banging on Kate and Sara's door demanding answers. They don't owe us, the public, an explanation for anything. I believe them when they say that Maura was a private person. If they chose to lie, I think it's because they were protecting Maura and confused about what to do. Perhaps an adult was putting pressure on them not to disclose something to the police. Regardless, they were young and probably scared.

I just see no reason to assume that the police don't know something that we don't. After her friend was accused of withholding information and said she "didn't want to get Maura in trouble," she presumably told the police whatever it is that she was withholding. I don't see why we should assume that the police would issue a press report telling us every time they uncovered a lie during an investigation. Kate and Sara have refused to make public comments since that time, which means they are not willing to make the same assertions they previously made again.

Of course, they have a privacy interest as well, and they could have many reasons for not wanting to speak to the press; however, at least one of them was presumably lying to police at the beginning of this investigation, and in light of this I am not willing to assign credibility to any statements they made soon after her disappearance.

We are assuming that two girls, at least one of whom has misled the police about this case, were perfectly honest in a magazine article when they were young college students. It's unfair to hold them to those statements today, statements that they will not reissue.

I think it is also hasty for us to say that neither of them would lie for Maura. They were, by all accounts, good friends to her. One of them seems to have lied to the police, and even stated that they were trying to protect her.

I'm not willing to assume that the statements of two young girls made a decade ago are the truth, especially considering that one of them had an admitted proclivity to protect Maura by withholding information. I think the statements made by Kate and Sara should be met with skepticism, at least until they are willing to say that their original story was the truth.

I'm not saying that we have evidence that they lied. I'm saying the Globe might. I'm saying the police might. We aren't getting a denial from either of them any time soon. I'm not willing to assume that any of the events on the night in question happened based purely on the statements of Sara and Kate. I need more evidence than a statement from one of them before I am willing to assume that a circumstance is true.

 

[scoops]

I agree that she was taken to the hotel by the tow truck driver. This doesn't mean Fred was never at the scene. I have never seen a copy of the police report, but I will take your word for it that you have it.

The Globe reported that one of them withheld information from police, and then stated that she didn't "want to get Maura in trouble." If this is accurate, that means one of them was, without a doubt, deceptive. And they were deceptive with the police, which is more serious than being deceptive with the media.

I don't think that Sara and Kate had anything to do with Maura's disappearance. I think their only crime was trying to be a good friend to Maura. But I do think one of them withheld information to protect Maura, and I think the information that was withheld was about the unverifiable party.

Fred Murray has been deceptive so many times I have lost count. Watch the Disappeared video where he lies to our faces about Maura waking him up. If you think that is the truth, try reconciling it with his sworn police statement.

You don't just have to take my word. I think James Renner has a copy of that accident report on his blog as well.

Fred, has made some inconsistent statements, but you have to understand the context of this whole situation.

It was Fred and not police investigators who even brought up the notion that Maura may have come to the white mountains to do personal harm herself. (How do I know this?) police investigators didn't know Maura Murray from anyone else. All they had to work with was a stranded automobile and witness accounts of a driver not wanting help.

It was Fred who introduced to investigators right from his first frantic 911 phone call he made trying to get ahold of the investigator on his daughter's case. (this has been verified).

Once in the area of where Maura went missing, Fred is still sticking to the suicide theory. An account from Sharon rausch (billy's mom) backs this up. She kept a journal that she updated daily while the search was on for Maura. She had mentioned that fred was worried Maura had taken her own life (days into the search for her).

At some point, it was fred and fred alone that did an about face.

The case became about the police not doing their job and letting a young girl be snatched up by a local dirt-bag,


No evidence ever came out to support that theory.

But Fred stuck to that theory from that point on until the current day and his relationship with investigators quickly eroded.

Any statement Fred made from that point on was going to have to be carefully crafted by him, because his 180 turn on what he believed happened to his daughter wasn't (IMO) ever believed by investigators.

 

[sandcastle]

I have to agree with Scoops here.

I don't see any evidence that Fred was the one that crashed the Toyota.

Please keep in mind that the Umass statement is just a summarized report. Meaning it is not a formal interview and not taken down verbatim. I will agree that a lot of what Fred says in that statement is full of holes and doesn't make a lot of sense when you put into context.

 

[carpanthers]

You don't just have to take my word. I think James Renner has a copy of that accident report on his blog as well.

Fred, has made some inconsistent statements, but you have to understand the context of this whole situation.

It was Fred and not police investigators who even brought up the notion that Maura may have come to the white mountains to do personal harm herself. (How do I know this?) police investigators didn't know Maura Murray from anyone else. All they had to work with was a stranded automobile and witness accounts of a driver not wanting help.

It was Fred who introduced to investigators right from his first frantic 911 phone call he made trying to get ahold of the investigator on his daughter's case. (this has been verified).

Once in the area of where Maura went missing, Fred is still sticking to the suicide theory. An account from Sharon rausch (billy's mom) backs this up. She kept a journal that she updated daily while the search was on for Maura. She had mentioned that fred was worried Maura had taken her own life (days into the search for her).

At some point, it was fred and fred alone that did an about face.

The case became about the police not doing their job and letting a young girl be snatched up by a local dirt-bag,


No evidence ever came out to support that theory.

But Fred stuck to that theory from that point on until the current day and his relationship with investigators quickly eroded.

Any statement Fred made from that point on was going to have to be carefully crafted by him, because his 180 turn on what he believed happened to his daughter wasn't (IMO) ever believed by investigators.

I don't think it's in the documents section of Renner's blog, I read through all of them and never saw it, although it's possible I missed it. I'm sure you are right about it being released, but it was withheld for sometime after she went missing. Still, I agree that Maura was the only one on the scene and that she got a ride with the tow truck driver back to the motel.

I agree that wanting to convince the police that your daughter is not suicidal is a great motive to lie. But these are not the kind of lies he tells. I'm not talking about withholding information that she stole a credit card number or that she stole at West Point. I'm talking about lies like when she woke up, like whether or not they went to liquors 44, and why he was expecting that Kate would sleep in his motel room.

If he wants to make her look as innocent and non-suicidal as possible, why tell the police he thought that she was drunk during the Hadley crash? They didn't cite her, and it makes her look a lot worse. Did he think people would have more sympathy for somebody who had been involved in two DUI crashes?

 

[carpanthers]

I have to agree with Scoops here.

I don't see any evidence that Fred was the one that crashed the Toyota.

Please keep in mind that the Umass statement is just a summarized report. Meaning it is not a formal interview and not taken down verbatim. I will agree that a lot of what Fred says in that statement is full of holes and doesn't make a lot of sense when you put into context.

He signed it. This is a signed statement to police. He gave the statement, he read the typed report, and he signed it, vouching for accuracy. He even gave us specific times that he
A. Saw Maura in bed
B. Saw Maura wake up

That is no accident.

He didn't mention Liquors 44 until asked. That is no accident. He admits that he originally answered no to this question.

 

[scoops]

I think Fred has made some inconsistent statements.
I think Fred has also been quick to use the media to his advantage.

But he is the father of a missing young woman.

I would like to think that I would do whatever I felt it took to get answers as well.

Lying, manipulating the press, all of that kind of stuff would be on the table if I needed someone found.


Why would Fred have to go there.

I think police believed him right from the start that his daughter came up to the white mountains to do personal harm to herself.

I don't think police really ever bought into any other theory.

The trouble with that is you have an adult who went missing on her own free-will.

There is only so much investigators can do, and I believe they did everything they were suppose to.

They did search for Maura around the location of her car accident. That is just common sense, as accident victims that go missing are often found not too far from their car.

But in that first crucial 24 hours that Maura went missing, unfortunately, police didn't do a whole lot.

They had nothing to go off of but a young lady who ditched her car (likely to avoid alcohol charges). They kind of put Maura's case to the side figuring they got the car's VIN number and someone would eventually come along and want to claim that car.

Maura's father knew that a very intense investigation needed to take place that first 24 hours, so much so, that it couldn;t even wait for him to arrive on the scene.

Once that first 24 hours and subsequent first week passed, I truly believe Fred already felt his daughter was no longer alive.

Fred did some stuff when cameras were rolling like searching a few feet off the road for Maura (but come on, that was just to let the public know police let him down and he was left all alone to find out what happened to his daughter).

You would hear about evidence being found (panties, the knife and the blood-stained carpet) but none of that came from police investigations, those all came from Maura's family's hired investigators.

I won't go as far as to say those were all publicity stunts, but they (from what I can tell) were never taken seriously by the actual investigators.

Police see family manipulating the press and they wonder what is all that about.

Fred understands that a true investigation for his daughter took too long to ever get started.

And you are left with two unhappy sides and plenty of blame to be passed around.

Distrust becomes high from all parties involved and the case becomes even more complex than what it probably ever initially was.

And in the end, No Maura.

 

[sandcastle]

Scoops I would like to get your thoughts on a few things>

The late night phone call on Thursday. Can we put to rest that the number she called was in fact Billy's. We have Maura's phone record for that night. We know what number she called. We also know that Maura called Billy on Fred's cell phone early on Sunday. James Renner has Fred's phone records for Sunday. Can we compare the two numbers and make sure they are the same?

I also would like to get your take on the Vasi incident. I personally don't believe that Maura had anything directly to do with it. My reasoning is due to the timing involved. We know that a person had to fill in for Maura for her to take a break. So finding out what her break times where should be a matter of tracking down Karen (supervisor) or the person that worked under Karen. Since it was a week day and Maura had to park her car at the assigned lot. Which I am assuming was lot 22. Maura would need permission to park at the dorm she was working at. It is stated that Karen had to console Maura and she walked her back to dorm. There is no mention about Maura having to move her car. Likewise I don't see it as likely that Maura would move her car back to lot 22 after her shift at 2:00 am. She would have to walk back to the dorm at that early hour. And lets not forget the weather. It was mentioned that they where expecting bad weather, which in fact happened as classes where cancelled the next day. If car was in fact parked somewhere in lot 22, I don't think she could have had a trip to town for food, hit Vasi and get back fast enough in a break period.

 

[scoops]

Scoops I would like to get your thoughts on a few things>

The late night phone call on Thursday. Can we put to rest that the number she called was in fact Billy's. We have Maura's phone record for that night. We know what number she called. We also know that Maura called Billy on Fred's cell phone early on Sunday. James Renner has Fred's phone records for Sunday. Can we compare the two numbers and make sure they are the same?

I also would like to get your take on the Vasi incident. I personally don't believe that Maura had anything directly to do with it. My reasoning is due to the timing involved. We know that a person had to fill in for Maura for her to take a break. So finding out what her break times where should be a matter of tracking down Karen (supervisor) or the person that worked under Karen. Since it was a week day and Maura had to park her car at the assigned lot. Which I am assuming was lot 22. Maura would need permission to park at the dorm she was working at. It is stated that Karen had to console Maura and she walked her back to dorm. There is no mention about Maura having to move her car. Likewise I don't see it as likely that Maura would move her car back to lot 22 after her shift at 2:00 am. She would have to walk back to the dorm at that early hour. And lets not forget the weather. It was mentioned that they where expecting bad weather, which in fact happened as classes where cancelled the next day. If car was in fact parked somewhere in lot 22, I don't think she could have had a trip to town for food, hit Vasi and get back fast enough in a break period.

Unfortuately, I believe the cell phone records James has on his blog have the phone number portion of the bill blacked out, so you can't see for sure the numbers.

Those phone calls from the cell phone bill that Thursday night/Friday morning were either to Billy or to Julie.

I have no reason to think Maura calls Julie four and five times a night.

Typically you call your significant other multiple times.

So to answer your question, I guess it's not 100 percent verifiable that Maura called billy, but I am confident it was him.

On the vasi hit and run.

I don't know honestly what to believe.

There isn't enough to say no it's impossible that Maura could've been involved and there is nothing directly pointing to her involvement either.

You have the coincidence of two pretty Traumatic incidents happening in line with one another less than a mile and a half apart.

But that doesn't prove anything.

The Melville Dorm front door to the Kennnedy Dorm front door are a matter of seconds away from one another.

I think if Maura was has shaken up as bad as the supervisor described and the supervisor as rattled about the situation as she implied she was, that worrying about parking Maura's car wasn't on their minds.

But who knows?

 

[Fireweed]

It may be a stretch to call it a dorm party, but I just don't see why people don't believe this took place.

Both Sara and Kate described this get-together in separate interviews done for the Quincy Patriot Ledger Newspaper. Sara noted that she passed out very early on and it was Kate and who said that her and Maura each left around the same time.

It has been kate who has been kind of fuzzy trying to recall about who was at this dorm get together No?

But why would kate know Sara's friends that well, she was tagging along with Maura to Sara's dorm.


I highly doubt that sara and kate were good friends.

When Maura use to attend these UMASS track parties, I highly doubt Sara Alfieri was with her for those and the same can be said about some dorm get-together with Sara and her friends, Kate was likely not a regular at such get-togethers.

I will bet dollars to donuts that Maura didn't go to many parties in the first place, because her boyfriend visited her a lot and when her boyfriend wasn't with her for a weekend, it sounds like her father visited her a lot. So between two jobs and clinicals, Maura spent a lot of her free time with either her boyfriend or her father.

Her father has stated that he would visit (spend the weekend at UMASS) every other weekend.


I guess I just don't see what is so suspicious about this dorm get-together that both girls (sara and kate) each have gone on the record to talk about very early on.

Here is where you and I are always going to split Scoops: you believe everything that the "witnesses" to that weekend have told us. You believe the "official" story even though it makes little sense. Okay, so apparently there was a party. But Kate and Sara do not recall who was there. Oh yeah, and those other people who were there have never said anything about that night. I think that is odd. I think it is strange that a college kid would not at some point talk about the fact that he/she was at a party with the famous Maura Murray. Again, I ask where are these people? Who are they? There was a party, we have the internet, and not one person who was at that "party" has ever once mentioned that they were there? Really? I think that Kate, Sara and Maura were together that night, but I do not think there was a party. I do not believe that at all. Ten years and loads of speculation later, and not one person from that party has once come to this or any other forum and talked about that night. So after ten years not a single party-goer was sitting around thinking about Maura and came online and talked about it? Okay....

But sure, there must have been a party that night. After all, all the open, honest, straight-forward people attached to this case said there was one. :facepalm:

 

[scoops]

Here is where you and I are always going to split Scoops: you believe everything that the "witnesses" to that weekend have told us. You believe the "official" story even though it makes little sense. Okay, so apparently there was a party. But Kate and Sara do not recall who was there. Oh yeah, and those other people who were there have never said anything about that night. I think that is odd. I think it is strange that a college kid would not at some point talk about the fact that he/she was at a party with the famous Maura Murray. Again, I ask where are these people? Who are they? There was a party, we have the internet, and not one person who was at that "party" has ever once mentioned that they were there? Really? I think that Kate, Sara and Maura were together that night, but I do not think there was a party. I do not believe that at all. Ten years and loads of speculation later, and not one person from that party has once come to this or any other forum and talked about that night. So after ten years not a single party-goer was sitting around thinking about Maura and came online and talked about it? Okay....

But sure, there must have been a party that night. After all, all the open, honest, straight-forward people attached to this case said there was one. :facepalm:

And you may very well be onto something.

I guess the reason I am not more suspicious about this get-together is that (from what I can tell) no one has given a conflicting account about that.

I fully understand that people aren't always truthful, but in this specific instance, I guess I am just giving them the benefit of the doubt because nothing points (at least to me) to either sara or kate being deceitful

And I may go against the grain here, but I don't think the statement that was supposedly made to one of Maura's spokespeople (Helena Murray) about them telling Fred "the real story" is going to amount to anything.

The real story could just be the girls telling Fred about what they did that Saturday night.

 

[ManyAndFew]

There was this google docs file earlier with all the accident reports etc, but I can't find anymore by conventional searching (not even caches).

Question; does anybody know when this documentary is supposed to be finished/released?

 

[carpanthers]

If we are going to take at face value the fact that everything regarding the Hadley crash was as it seemed when Officer Ruddock arrived, then we should assume that Maura was not drunk, because she was not arrested for drunk driving. We are assuming that Officer Ruddock failed in his law enforcement duties by not arresting Maura for drunk driving. (I do not know if he performed a field sobriety test; maybe scoops can check it out for us?). If she was drunk driving, he should have arrested her, period. Especially after an accident with that much damage. The presumption should be that Officer Ruddock adequately performed his duties, except when there is evidence to the contrary. All evidence about Maura drinking that night has been provided to us by Fred Murray, who lied over and over again (although we tend to have different opinions about his motives, at least for some of the lies), and Maura’s two friends Kate and Sara, at least one of whom seems to have withheld evidence from police, and the other of whom claims to have been unconscious during the critical moment when Maura is said to have left. I don’t see any reason to take the word of these three people, who are the ones who claim she was drinking for hours, over a law enforcement officer who, in performing the general duties of his job, determined that she was not driving drunk.