NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 #16

  • #101
omigod lol...I didn't mean to open up a can of worms. I NEVER thought she committed suicide. I also don't believe she ran into the woods and perished from hypothermia. I was just making a random observation about her withdrawing money .

there are some that do think it was intentional suicide, honestly I think the simplest theory says that she was followed up there and she left the scene with this person...thinking she would come back the next day when she was sober and face any possible music regarding her accident. She didn't hurt anyone and the car was off to the side. If there were any open containers or other things in the car that might point to drunk driving they still would not have her blood alcohol from the previous night.

I always believe she was murdered by someone she knew. mOO
 
  • #102
omigod lol...I didn't mean to open up a can of worms. I NEVER thought she committed suicide. I also don't believe she ran into the woods and perished from hypothermia. I was just making a random observation about her withdrawing money .

there are some that do think it was intentional suicide, honestly I think the simplest theory says that she was followed up there and she left the scene with this person...thinking she would come back the next day when she was sober and face any possible music regarding her accident. She didn't hurt anyone and the car was off to the side. If there were any open containers or other things in the car that might point to drunk driving they still would not have her blood alcohol from the previous night.

I always believe she was murdered by someone she knew. mOO
I have no firm theories on what happened. but the main reason I don't discount the suicide theory is that her dad Fred sort of indicated right at the start that is what he feared. that did not last long, but if you look at the very first interviews with him, he brings it up and delivers a sort of a "come home Maura, we can work it out" message. she was very close to her dad, so I think suicide theory deserves some thought.
 
  • #103
I have no firm theories on what happened. but the main reason I don't discount the suicide theory is that her dad Fred sort of indicated right at the start that is what he feared. that did not last long, but if you look at the very first interviews with him, he brings it up and delivers a sort of a "come home Maura, we can work it out" message. she was very close to her dad, so I think suicide theory deserves some thought.

That comment by Fred wasn't in reference to a potential suicide, it was in reference to Maura running away.
 
  • #104
actually I thought it was because of a book Maura had about Native American women or something like that. mOO
 
  • #105
We don't even know where she got off from the highway (I-91) assuming she went up that way. The full tank aside, there's a missing hour that's still not accounted for. There's too many unknowns overall.

As far as I know, police weren't able to find any surveillance cameras (CCTV footage) of her after the money withdrawal in Amherst, MA and if they have they never revealed anything about it publicly. The investigation was sketchy in the beginning so it's possible they didn't even bother looking for surveillance cameras.
True, the exact route she took from Amherst to Haverhill NH isn't known but involving I-91 and/or Route US 5 would be by far the most likely ...though there are a choice of exists and could have used of course. That "missing hour" has also long intrigued me. Getting gas could make up for some of it, but probably not all of it.

As for CCTV footage, let's remember the video of her using the ATM machine in Amherst wasn't made known for some time either. It's entirely possible more exists that's never been revealed by authorities....however, I do think authorities might have something a bit less direct like video, such as credit card records of gas purchases after leaving MA or ...some other indirect evidence, like a card not in her name being used to get gas (and thus it's not certain but suspected of being her)....idk, it's just speculation on my part of course, but that missing hour, the seemingly unaccounted for gas filling, the SUV seem by one witness at the scene parked 'nose to nose' with Maura's car ....a lot more behind this case I feel, and not just a few details kept as police typically do, but things of considerably more substance. After all, they kept the finger print find on the CD a secret for many years...
 
  • #106
  • #107
I honestly think it's time the Murray family let go of this idea that it was someone local who was in the area. If it was someone local this case would have been solved a long time ago.

Not sure why it's so difficult for the family to believe that there was very possibly some people in Maura's life that would have done her harm. After all look at the company she kept with her boyfriend. How many domestic events has he been involved in now? Not saying he was involved but if Maura chose to spend time around him chances are she would have spent time with other people like him as well (young people often develop a certain 'type' that they are drawn to).

Far more plausible than her getting snatched up by a local 'drifter' (who by their claims would have been twenty plus years older than her) in the few minute time frame that she would have needed to get taken for no one to witness it. Especially when she had already refused help from some local person.
 
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  • #108
To add to my post I usually ignore claims of private investigators who are being paid by the missing persons family. As they obviously are just going to say things that the family wants to hear.
 
  • #109
I honestly think it's time the Murray family let go of this idea that it was someone local who was in the area. If it was someone local this case would have been solved a long time ago.

Not sure why it's so difficult for the family to believe that there was very possibly some people in Maura's life that would have done her harm. After all look at the company she kept with her boyfriend. How many domestic events has he been involved in now? Not saying he was involved but if Maura chose to spend time around him chances are she would have spent time with other people like him as well (young people often develop a certain 'type' that they are drawn to).

Far more plausible than her getting snatched up by a local 'drifter' (who by their claims would have been twenty plus years older than her) in the few minute time frame that she would have needed to get taken for no one to witness it. Especially when she had already refused help from some local person.
April Tinsley ring a bell? Maybe Bobbi Jo Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee? Just to name a couple of cases where it was locals who committed the crime, and no one had a clue, for decades, until DNA identified the perps.

She was seen alone and there is zero evidence she was travelling with anyone. So where did these friends/acquaintances come from at night, in the middle of nowhere, far from home?
 
  • #110
I honestly think it's time the Murray family let go of this idea that it was someone local who was in the area. If it was someone local this case would have been solved a long time ago.

Not sure why it's so difficult for the family to believe that there was very possibly some people in Maura's life that would have done her harm. After all look at the company she kept with her boyfriend. How many domestic events has he been involved in now? Not saying he was involved but if Maura chose to spend time around him chances are she would have spent time with other people like him as well (young people often develop a certain 'type' that they are drawn to).

Far more plausible than her getting snatched up by a local 'drifter' (who by their claims would have been twenty plus years older than her) in the few minute time frame that she would have needed to get taken for no one to witness it. Especially when she had already refused help from some local person.

Why? There are plenty of cases that were solved after decades and it turned out the perpetrator was a local. There's enough weird people and actual criminals in that part of New Hampshire already without needing to implicate an outsider.
 
  • #111
I honestly think it's time the Murray family let go of this idea that it was someone local who was in the area. If it was someone local this case would have been solved a long time ago.

Not sure why it's so difficult for the family to believe that there was very possibly some people in Maura's life that would have done her harm. After all look at the company she kept with her boyfriend. How many domestic events has he been involved in now? Not saying he was involved but if Maura chose to spend time around him chances are she would have spent time with other people like him as well (young people often develop a certain 'type' that they are drawn to).

Far more plausible than her getting snatched up by a local 'drifter' (who by their claims would have been twenty plus years older than her) in the few minute time frame that she would have needed to get taken for no one to witness it. Especially when she had already refused help from some local person.
I’ve been saying this for years — bf never ever sat right with me.
 
  • #112
April Tinsley ring a bell? Maybe Bobbi Jo Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee? Just to name a couple of cases where it was locals who committed the crime, and no one had a clue, for decades, until DNA identified the perps.

She was seen alone and there is zero evidence she was travelling with anyone. So where did these friends/acquaintances come from at night, in the middle of nowhere, far from home?

Well there's still that tandem driver theory, this idea that she was driving with someone who was either behind her car or in front of her car (more than likely behind), saw this accident and then picked her up from the scene. Of course, we'll never know unless law enforcement release a piece of information or someone comes forward.
 
  • #113
I’ve been saying this for years — bf never ever sat right with me.
BF was 1500 miles away, ridiculous to even bring him into this.
 
  • #114
BF was 1500 miles away, ridiculous to even bring him into this.

I don't think those who believe he was involved believe he was directly involved, more than likely they think he may have been the reason she escaped to New Hampshire in the first place or that he had her killed through some kind of murder for hire plot.
 
  • #115
Well there's still that tandem driver theory, this idea that she was driving with someone who was either behind her car or in front of her car (more than likely behind), saw this accident and then picked her up from the scene. Of course, we'll never know unless law enforcement release a piece of information or someone comes forward.
Theory by who? Everyone she was known to know was accounted for.

Some of these conspiracy theories (and that's exactly what they are) are absurd.
 
  • #116
Some of these conspiracy theories (and that's exactly what they are) are absurd.

There is as much evidence that she was killed by a local dirtbag as there is that someone she knew killed her.

If you think theories that someone she knew killed her is absurd than the local dirtbag theory is equally as absurd.

We know next to nothing about Maura's personal life. She very easily could have been involved with other guys aside from her bf (cool kids who live in dorms do have a tendency to be promiscuous). And knowing the type of individual her bf turned out to be chances are if she was involved with someone else they would have been a little shady as well.
 
  • #117
I don't think those who believe he was involved believe he was directly involved, more than likely they think he may have been the reason she escaped to New Hampshire in the first place or that he had her killed through some kind of murder for hire plot.

My theory is that there is a good chance her bf wasn't the only guy she was involved with.
 
  • #118
There is as much evidence that she was killed by a local dirtbag as there is that someone she knew killed her.

If you think theories that someone she knew killed her is absurd than the local dirtbag theory is equally as absurd.

We know next to nothing about Maura's personal life. She very easily could have been involved with other guys aside from her bf (cool kids who live in dorms do have a tendency to be promiscuous). And knowing the type of individual her bf turned out to be chances are if she was involved with someone else they would have been a little shady as well.
I repeat, everyone she was known to have known was accounted for. If you want to make up a mystery bf, that there is zero evidence existed, then go ahead. It's your conspiracy, you can make it anything you want.
 
  • #119
I repeat, everyone she was known to have known was accounted for. If you want to make up a mystery bf, that there is zero evidence existed, then go ahead. It's your conspiracy, you can make it anything you want.
A theory like that isn't any different than the local dirtbag theory that there is zero evidence for.

The best theory really is is that she wasn't killed by anyone. She died of her own doing and her body either hasn't been found or hasn't been properly identified yet.
 
  • #120
A theory like that isn't any different than the local dirtbag theory that there is zero evidence for.

The best theory really is is that she wasn't killed by anyone. She died of her own doing and her body either hasn't been found or hasn't been properly identified yet.
Once again, everyone she was known to know has been accounted for. You're making up someone, who there is no proof existed and saying it's a more likely scenario than getting picked up by someone she didn't know. And saying her family should go that route. Smart.

As for walking off and dying, there was snow on the ground and no footprints leading from the scene. Maybe an alien ship snatched her up, that's just as likely as your original post.
 

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