NH NH - Seabrook, Skull, UnkRace, UP98321, 7-9 y.o., died 1984-1992, Seabrook Jane Doe, skull purchased in New York, Jun’94

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Could it be Julie Anne Guthrie? the profile of the unidentified girl mentions "Death is estimated to have been between 1984 and 1992, although it is possible that it was much earlier."

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)


You make an interesting point here with the PMI! I haven’t seen any reconstructions at all of the unidentified girl. So no way of knowing what she looked like in life. I would believe it could be older than initially thought. The best way to look is I think to look at the patina on the bone. If it’s darker and more yellowed I’d say it’s older.
 
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Tammy Lynn Belanger? Missing from Exeter NH. Last seen in 1984 walking to school. I feel like if Tammy is the unidentified girl someone could have abducted and killed her. Once only skeletal remains were left I can imagine the same sicko traveling to New York to sell the skull as some sort of collector’s item. I searched as well for missing girls in states in the northeast in general who fit the Jane Doe’s age group.
 
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Thank you @djanga for starting this thread. Hope DDP is able to id her soon, poor child.


Also:
Y’all just to add onto this. In I believe 47 out of the 50 states it’s legal to sell and buy human bones. Search up real human skull for sale and you’ll find an array of skulls from fetuses, babies, toddlers, children, teenagers, adults, and super old people! It’s nasty!

I'm shocked by this!
 
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Sadly I think it happens quite often (especially in the past) that people will donate their bodies to science and won't understand that that means the people who get the body can do what they like with it for the most part. Including selling the body parts as oddities, or selling to other places who then sell them on as oddities. I think most of the people who end up with their skulls on display in some guy's basement probably didn't want that.

I know they said that she died not that long before the skull was found (likely less than a decade) but they've been wrong before about PMIs, and estimated ages. There are a number of girls missing from New York 1980-1992. The thread title says white female but both the NAMUS and the DDP page say the race was unknown, as far as I can see? Am I missing it somewhere that they've said she was white? Most of the missing girls I'm finding aren't white, such as Equilla Hodrick or Tiahease Jackson. If you go just a few years back from the PMI there's also Holly Ann Hughes. Andre Rand (also suspected in Tiahease's disappearance and others) was convicted of her kidnapping but her body has never been found, nor have the bodies of any of the other people he is suspected of taking, bar one.
You are right, the race is undetermined, I tried to change it in the thread name but not successful. I hope the DDP will soon start to work on her genetic profile and will give more details about this poor girl. I think her case was fully funded by Audiochuck, so I hope it will be a fast solve
 
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As to why someone might have a skull: I have to tell this story here, as I might never get a chance to tell it otherwise....:)

Back about 40 years ago, when I was in graduate school, I learned that one of my friends (colorful character, a Bohemian-starving-artist/musician type) had just moved to a different house; I thought I'd go by and visit him, to see his new digs. So I arrived, knocked on his door, and he invited me in. We sat down in the living room to chat, and I looked over at the mantle above his fireplace, and there, prominently displayed, was a human skull. Curious, I asked, "Dan, what's the story behind that skull?"

It turned out that the skull was that of his late uncle. The man had been a long-term patient at Eastern State Mental Hospital, and died there, and he was buried in the pauper's section of the cemetery on the grounds of the hospital. This had happened years before. Just after he had moved into his new lodgings, my friend had gotten a phone call, out of the clear blue, from someone at the hospital, who said, "We have your uncle's remains....where do you want them?"!

The state highway department was putting a new road through the area, and had used eminent domain to take some of the hospital property, which included the pauper's graveyard. The hospital had disinterred all of the remains which could be located, and when they were able to find a next-of-kin of a decedent, the remains were offered to that person. Dan was his uncle's only surviving relative. Being a starving-artist type, he had no spare funds to reinterr his uncle in a private cemetery, and wasn't prepared to take possession of the whole skeleton. So he told the man on the other end of the phone, "Just bring me the skull, and dispose of the rest of it." So that was how his uncle's skull ended up on the mantle.
 
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There is this article in rhe Atlantic about this topic:

 
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There is this article in rhe Atlantic about this topic:

Yeah but my uncle kept great grandma’s skull out of her wishes and I’m sure that it was before that law was put into place. I can understand the law though as some people do sick sick things to cadavers sometimes.
Edit: I had heard a horror story from one of my friends, back when she was in her senior year of high school her classmates had this cadaver they were dissecting for anatomy and physiology. It was a human cadaver. A man in his 80s who donated his body to science about 2 years prior. They were working on him but they kept playing around with the organs, it just felt so disgusting and disrespectful in her opinions. She just thought, well, how could they do this? This man was someone’s father, grandfather, at his age maybe a great grandfather, an uncle, a friend, well he was loved by someone, just imagine that this is how they treat him postmortem. Sickening. So yeah I can definitely understand this law to prevent THIS stuff from happening.
 
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Her case has moved to active genealogical research, however no other information is available about her race/geographical areas or numer of Gedmatch matches
 
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Her case has moved to active genealogical research, however no other information is available about her race/geographical areas or numer of Gedmatch matches
That’s good news! Hoping she gets identified soon
 
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@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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And IIRC we are unsure of her race, yes? She is listed as white here but unknown everywhere else.
0 Missing Person Exclusions
 
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And IIRC we are unsure of her race, yes? She is listed as white here but unknown everywhere else.
It was updated, she is listed as unknown race here now, it was my mistake, when I was creating the thread.
 
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And IIRC we are unsure of her race, yes? She is listed as white here but unknown everywhere else.
Her Namus profile was updated with the new details in the description. She was white. Precisely, it says “Ancestry is likely Greek.” Unfortunately, the Greek genealogy is super tough.
 
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Her Namus profile was updated with the new details in the description. She was white. Precisely, it says “Ancestry is likely Greek.” Unfortunately, the Greek genealogy is super tough.
TIL that New Hampshire has a fairly large Greek population. Interesting!
 
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Her Namus profile was updated with the new details in the description. She was white. Precisely, it says “Ancestry is likely Greek.” Unfortunately, the Greek genealogy is super tough.
Aha! That’s some good clues here! But as for searching for MPs how do we know their ancestry? It’s not that simple. So we know Greek was likely her most prevalent heritage, yes?
 
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Curious as to how readily DNA is extractable from a skull 2-10 years postmortem. Is there marrow in a skull? I wonder if Othram would be willing to weigh in on that and teach us.
 
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Curious as to how readily DNA is extractable from a skull 2-10 years postmortem. Is there marrow in a skull? I wonder if Othram would be willing to weigh in on that and teach us.
@othram
 

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