VA - Joseph Ryan shot, Christine Banfield stabbed, both deceased, in home - Herndon 24 Feb 2023

[mrjitty]

Agree!

What bothers me, but I can't articulate so well, is proof beyond reasonable doubt is an evidential standard - you don't collect up reasonable doubts in a bucket, nor edge ahead on the scoreboard.

Traditionally, one made analogies about a braided rope, with evidential strands - maybe you could cut one but the rope held. Or a puzzle with missing pieces but you could still see the picture etc etc

So to take the issue of whether or not the defendant was genuinely upset - the defence may have succeeded in undermining an allegation from which guilt could be inferred. Which is like cutting a strand of the rope. What they didn't do is score some points or collect a reasonable doubt.

As a question of logic, we ask juries to first consider all the facts that have been established, then make logical and obvious inferences, and only then ask if the burden of proof is met. Analysing cases in terms of landing heavy blows and collecting up reasonable doubts as you go along invites logical fallacy IMO. Whether or not he was crying doesn't raise any reasonable doubt of itself. You just maybe cannot infer anything from it now.

Apologies if anyone finds this pedantic, but to my old school tradition, this style of analysis seems wrong headed.

IMO

 

[mrjitty]

Its interesting that the overwhelming view of posters here is that the CW have proved the case? I guess it shows the limits of the creators to pretend the defence is making a good case

 

[Megnut]

I don't think the jury has to understand how CB's devices were manipulated to find that they were. The CW hasn't emphasized BB's career, surprisingly. It's his career IMO that accounts for the how he was able to do it, even to the point of confounding the experts.

I liken it to someone who wears protective gear.m during the commission of a crime. Just because there's no transfer of DNA doesn't mean they weren't there. They were there, they just took countermeasures.

BB took countermeasures. Digitally.

IMO if there's juror doubt -- that maybe it was CB on her own devices, setting up the sexual encounter -- it's not because the Defense has been successful in creating reasonable doubt; it's because BB was successful in his countermeasures.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

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Willtherebe or Wontherebe testimony in this trial today? Originally canceled through Wednesday, I thought. Still canceled or now reinstated?

 

[Pyrite]

Its interesting that the overwhelming view of posters here is that the CW have proved the case? I guess it shows the limits of the creators to pretend the defense is making a good case

I enjoy Peter’s videos and the way he sees things. It doesn’t bother me that he calls balls and strikes on both sides. He does bend over a little backwards to be fair to both sides, unlike say Bob Mota, another creator, who is mostly defense side only.

I’m not at all surprised that the overwhelming view here is that the CW has proved its case. As a voracious reader on Webseluths, the overwhelming opinion here is guilty on almost every thread here, even before a trial starts. Karen Read is the only exception to that I can think of. MOO

I’m glad you are posting again. I haven’t seen you much lately on any of the threads I keep up with and I always enjoy reading your posts.

Edited to correct spelling and grammar.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

I’m just wondering what in the world would have incentivized this poor man to go to their house since this pretend violence wasn’t something he was interested in? What could have been promised that would have caused him to agree to such a date, and without meeting first? Oh gosh, I wish he hadn’t given in. He was totally innocent, as was Christine! OMO.

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I’m just wondering what in the world would have incentivized this poor man to go to their house since this pretend violence wasn’t something he was interested in? What could have been promised that would have caused him to agree to such a date, and without meeting first? Oh gosh, I wish he hadn’t given in. He was totally innocent, as was Christine! OMO.

The telegram messages lay it out and are available on the court website. It was knife play he said was not an interest.

 

[Kellygirl2013]

Willtherebe or Wontherebe testimony in this trial today? Originally canceled through Wednesday, I thought. Still canceled or now reinstated?

I think the one local station WUSA9 may have prematurely posted that FFX courts would be closed. I cannot find that announcement on their page any longer, so assuming they took it down when they realized the error. The FFX govt. website’s operating status says all offices and courts are open today (1/28).