NJ NJ- Atlantic City + Margate, 2 UncMales, 20+, partial skeletal remains, related through DNA. UP10577+UP12060. March-December 1983.

[cheemsg]

So note, NamUs says they were found to be "related" through DNA. I'm not entirely sure if they mean they had a blood relation or if they were remains from the same person.

10577 was found on a beach in Atlantic City. Partial skeletal remains were found, minus head + torso and one or more limbs/hands. Not clear what exactly was found. He's given an estimated height of 5'1 to 5'11, which is very broad but I assume they just mean he was no taller than 6 foot.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

12060 found at the water's edge/the beach at Iriquois Avenue in Margate, NJ. He was a partial remain with soft tissues, head + torso and one or more limbs/hands not recovered. Two heavy socks were on his body, so I assume it was legs/feet found. He has an estimated height of 5'4.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

No PMI for either, and they do not have a page with the NJ State Police.

 

[PatLaurel]

Not sure if this article is related to the remains found. It mentions a 65 foot wooden boat that sunk seven miles off of Brigantine "last January".

Clipping from Asbury Park Press - Newspapers.com

 

[cheemsg]

Not sure if this article is related to the remains found. It mentions a 65 foot wooden boat that sunk seven miles off of Brigantine "last January".

Clipping from Asbury Park Press - Newspapers.com

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Thank you, this is quiet an amazing found. The two sock detail has to refer to the December discovery. But both are listed as head missing so I'm not sure if the skull is related. Did you find any more about the boat crash?

 

[PatLaurel]

And these are the missing people:
Owner and Captain, Nicholas J. Hober, 24.
Al Ewing Jr.,26.
Frederick Fisher, 17.
All of Cape May.

Clipping from Asbury Park Press - Newspapers.com

 

[cheemsg]

And these are the missing people:
Owner and Captain, Nicholas J. Hober, 24.
Al Ewing Jr.,26.
Frederick Fisher, 17.
All of Cape May.

Clipping from Asbury Park Press - Newspapers.com

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I would assume they had tested DNA against those people right? They obviously have DNA since they found these two to be related.
Hober is on Find a Grave. Idk if that means his body was found or not. Can't find anything on the other two.

 

[PatLaurel]

I would assume they had tested DNA against those people right? They obviously have DNA since they found these two to be related.
Hober is on Find a Grave. Idk if that means his body was found or not. Can't find anything on the other two.

Not sure if they had DNA to test against the missing people. They did have dentals.

Just found this:Skull Identified- Nicholas Hober Boat Christine Anne 1983 - Newspapers.com

 

[cheemsg]

Okay this is peculiar.
I guess the leg could still technically belong to Hober.
There is a missing person called Michael Ewing who did go missing in 1983, but from California, coincidentally he also drowned but it's obviously not the same person.
No records of a missing Frederick Fischer online.

But I assume their family might have given their DNA now to test against?

 

[cheemsg]

Not sure if they had DNA to test against the missing people. They did have dentals.

Just found this:Skull Identified- Nicholas Hober Boat Christine Anne 1983 - Newspapers.com


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Btw is there any articles specifically about what was found in March?

 

[PatLaurel]

Okay this is peculiar.
I guess the leg could still technically belong to Hober.
There is a missing person called Michael Ewing who did go missing in 1983, but from California, coincidentally he also drowned but it's obviously not the same person.
No records of a missing Frederick Fischer online.

But I assume their family might have given their DNA now to test against?

Do you have a link for that other Michael Ewing from California? It's a big coincidence. Same name, same year and both victims of drowning. Could it be that Michael Ewing was originally from California? Maybe the family lost contact and reported him missing in CA?

 

[cheemsg]

Do you have a link for that other Michael Ewing from California? It's a big coincidence. Same name, same year and both victims of drowning. Could it be that Michael Ewing was originally from California? Maybe the family lost contact and reported him missing in CA?

545DMCA - Michael David Ewing
I really don't think its the same person though, since it mentions specifically where he did drown in San Francisco and NJ Ewing was 26, this guy was 19.

 

[cheemsg]

@Caring1 for the record, do these two UIDs have any rule outs?

 

[iamshadow21]

I would assume they had tested DNA against those people right? They obviously have DNA since they found these two to be related.
Hober is on Find a Grave. Idk if that means his body was found or not. Can't find anything on the other two.

I know some folks have graves when the body isn't actually there. I know Everette Guy Travis who was identified the other week, his family member said they had a plot for him with a marker with the family for many years, and after he was identified, they'd interred the ashes there.

 

[PatLaurel]

Btw is there any articles specifically about what was found in March?

Still looking...

 

[PatLaurel]

545DMCA - Michael David Ewing
I really don't think its the same person though, since it mentions specifically where he did drown in San Francisco and NJ Ewing was 26, this guy was 19.

Thanks. I did see him on NamUs but it has no info there. Definitely not the same person.

BTW, there are no rule outs for these UIDs.

 

[dasNdanger]

Okay this is peculiar.
I guess the leg could still technically belong to Hober.
There is a missing person called Michael Ewing who did go missing in 1983, but from California, coincidentally he also drowned but it's obviously not the same person.
No records of a missing Frederick Fischer online.

But I assume their family might have given their DNA now to test against?

Michael Ewing lived down the street from us. He was older (by about 5 or 6 years) so I didn't know him well, but I remember him as a very kind person. When I was maybe 11 or 12 and very shy, he once sat down with me under a tree and let me pet his two German Shepherds - he said they were part wolf. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't, but he kept them well under control, knowing I was a bit fearful. After he started working on the boats he would bring my dad fish that he had smoked, just knowing how much my dad liked smoked fish and not because of any special request. He liked my dad. Michael was from West Cape May, NJ.

I didn't know Hober, the captain, but we do know some of the family. I knew Fred Fischer a little bit. He was from Cape May, NJ. I went to school with his older brother, and then worked at the school after graduating. I remember Fred as a rather handsome fella. But that was a long time ago, and my memory isn't what it used to be (I went to school with Fischers and Fishers - sometimes I'd get the families mixed up!). What I do remember was the sick feeling I got in the pit of my stomach when we heard about the clammer sinking, and the loss of people we knew. A lot of boats were going down around that time, and it always made me dread hearing who didn't survive, especially since my own brother was a commercial fisherman.

I've added a picture from the Fisherman's Memorial in Cape May, NJ that shows the names lost on the Christine Anne. I have not heard of any other remains being found.