AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #4

[thelesis]

I’m a parent, a lot of us are - if you heard your child was being harassed or engaged by men and was then missing, would you call the brother first before calling police?

Remember to put the situation in context. There isn't a strong, trusting relationship between many immigrant communities and law enforcement. The family may be used to police in Mexico, which may not be up to the standards of American LE. There may even be a combative relationship. There's also a language barrier.

 

[JC40]

911 Emergency: The First Interview

 

[Lisa Dee]

Maybe it's just me- but if I saw a man and a little girl being led to a van, and it was suspicious enough that I remembered details like shoe color and facial acne- then I would try to stop them or at the very least get a license plate or take pics with my phone.

 

[Lisa Dee]

Maybe it's just me- but if I saw a man and a little girl being led to a van, and it was suspicious enough that I remembered details like shoe color and facial acne- then I would try to stop them or at the very least get a license plate or take pics with my phone.

Otherwise, I would assume she is with a relative and nothing would stick out or be memorable.

 

[Beekarina]

What I'm confused about, is IF there were two or more adult men chasing and harassing very young children on a playground, why didn't anyone say "Hey! What's up? You guys ok?"

I get minding your business, but guys chasing a little girl and putting her into a van? Knocking her 3 year-old brother around? That's not normal even in a tougher area. It's pretty obvious it's not the kids parents as it's described.

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

From the NBC10 Video that was already captioned/transcribed:
LISTEN: 911 Call of Mom of Dulce María Alavez Pleading for Help After Daughter's Disappearance


911 what is your emergency?
Um, I can't find my daughter.
Okay, when was the last time you've seen her?
We were here at the park down at, *is a place/something missing here??* and people say that somebody probably somebody took her.
Okay, how old is she?
She's five years old.
Okay, and what park are you at?
Here at Bridgeton Park.
Okay, where at in the Bridgeton Park are you?
Um, the one where the basketball court where the high school is.
Okay, so you're at the basketball court behind the high school?
Yes.
Okay, and what was she seen last wearing?
She was wearing um, um, give me a second (inaudible) I don't remember what clothes she was wearing. But she was wearing, I just remember her pants. She was wearing like a flowery pants. And some heels. Some white heels.
Okay, and your name?
*Redacted?*
Okay. Alright ma'am, stay on the line, I'm going to transfer you over to police, okay. And you said she was five, correct?
Yes.
Alright.

(Click, quick dial tone, ringing)
(Someone with a transfer that's gonna be at the...behind the high school. By the basketball courts. I have.....lost her child. She's a five year old female and she was last seen wearing flowery pants and white heels. She's on the line.)

Okay, hello ma'am
Hello
Hi. Did you see which direction your child went?
No, um, we were in the car, she came down with my son, they were running to the park, and then me and my sister, we came down, but when we got here at the park she wasn't here. They say that my son was just crying with his ice cream. They say that somebody threw his ice cream on the floor and my daughter just ran away.
Alright, you didn't see anyone else around there that she could possibly have went with?
No, not, not that I know of. Cause we just don't know. There's just some other people that...they are here that saw her running, running through um, some houses in the back. And they said...that they saw two, they saw two men. They saw a black guy and they saw a Mexican man with two kids.
So who's saying, who's saying that, who's saying that saw them?
There's people here in the basketball courts, that they saw her. They say that they saw her running.
(They're saying that there's people there at the basketball court, that they saw her running through some houses with two black males. She's light-skinned Spanish)

*We're obviously missing the part where mom relayed that light-skinned info or the woman on the other line taking the information made an assumption???? What else are we missing?*

What color top did she have on?
Um, I don't remember.
(Officer in background: He said that the caller is now at the basketball court?)
Are you at the basketball court?
Yes, I'm right here right now.
(She's....that's affirmed. She says that she's at the basketball court.)
And do you have your son with you or is your son...
No, I have my son with me. They say he was crying when we found him; he was just standing there crying.
He was standing there crying.... So who... You said that the black males took his ice cream?
No, they threw it on the floor.
So the two males took his ice cream and threw it on the floor and then they left with your daughter?
Probably, cause I didn't saw it. When we came in and look for her, we were looking everywhere for her and we couldn't find her.
(She said that her son was at the basketball court with her daughter, that there was two black males that took her son's ice cream and threw it on the ground and left with her daughter.) Okay, well we have the officer...
(Officer in background: is she at the basketball courts on Mayor Aitken?)
Are you on Mayor Aitken?
Um, I already have an officer here.

Just reread. Dulce mother states they saw a black man and a Mexican man. She then states they saw 2 black men. They being the basket ball players. The inconsistency in the story are baffling.

 

[zecats]

That’s not what I was referencing. Moms brother came with his dog to look before they called 911, correct? I’m trying to process that period of time and reasoning for the call to moms brother first. I think the timeline shows it’s about 30 minutes?

Perhaps at first it was thought to be a bullying situation and that the dog would be the ticket to scare the "bullies" away. Or, on the other hand, it was a case of the only backup Dulce's mom thought of instantaneously was family and the dog that normally came to the park with them. JMO

 

[jjenny]

Just reread. Dulce mother states they saw a black man and a Mexican man. She then states they saw 2 black men. They being the basket ball players. The inconsistency in the story are baffling.

Mother states "they" saw a black man and a Mexican man. Dispatcher is the one who starts saying there were two black men chasing the child or that they took the child with them. Dispatcher was not actually told any of this information, she just assume, I guess.

 

[jjenny]

What I'm confused about, is IF there were two or more adult men chasing and harassing very young children on a playground, why didn't anyone say "Hey! What's up? You guys ok?"

I get minding your business, but guys chasing a little girl and putting her into a van? Knocking her 3 year-old brother around? That's not normal even in a tougher area. It's pretty obvious it's not the kids parents as it's described.

None of this is on the call coming from the mother. Mother gives a rather confusing account, but the only thing she says about two men as that "they" saw two men. She doesn't say what these two men were doing. Dispatcher then appears making all kind of assumptions. Van is not mentioned at all in 911 call. It sounds like a game of broken telephone. Mother hasn't seen anything, she is telling the dispatcher what various "they" told her. We don't know if "they" actually even saw it or "they" were also speculating on what could have happened.

 

[JerzeyGirl]

I honestly don't think anyone saw anything.

 

[zecats]

What I'm confused about, is IF there were two or more adult men chasing and harassing very young children on a playground, why didn't anyone say "Hey! What's up? You guys ok?"

I get minding your business, but guys chasing a little girl and putting her into a van? Knocking her 3 year-old brother around? That's not normal even in a tougher area. It's pretty obvious it's not the kids parents as it's described.

Two things confusing me about this.
1) The basketball court has a plain and open view of the playground. How is it that no one at least reported seeing grown men chasing little kids and knocking down ice cream?
2) Earlier statements from LE had claimed no one else was at the playground except Dulce and her brother. (Someone posted a link for this earlier.)

 

[jjenny]

Two things confusing me about this.
1) The basketball court has a plain and open view of the playground. How is it that no one at least reported seeing grown men chasing little kids and knocking down ice cream?
2) Earlier statements from LE had claimed no one else was at the playground except Dulce and her brother. (Someone posted a link for this earlier.)

The only one saying that grown men chased little kids or took Dulce is the dispatcher. She seems to be making assumptions based on mother's rather confusing statement.
Obviously none of this made it into Amber alert so presumably authorities didn't find that credible.

 

[zecats]

The only one saying that grown men chased little kids or took Dulce is the dispatcher. She seems to be making assumptions based on mother's rather confusing statement.
Obviously none of this made it into Amber alert so presumably authorities didn't find that credible.

Exactly my point.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe it's just me- but if I saw a man and a little girl being led to a van, and it was suspicious enough that I remembered details like shoe color and facial acne- then I would try to stop them or at the very least get a license plate or take pics with my phone.

The van is not mentioned at all in 911 call. So whoever claims to have witnessed the van story likely wasn't one of those with whom mother talked to at the time of the incident.

 

[zecats]

Dog that tracked for an hour is a Bloodhound. Best in the business IMO. Find my link and open it. There’s a photo of him. Named Alec iir

To address this, my mistake for thinking the "their" in the original post referred to the police and their dog. A point here though about the bloodhound is that he did follow a lead for an hour - if Dulce ran off and someone chased her, perhaps that offers a reason for such a long tracking time. It's less than 5 minutes from the playground to where a vehicle might have been parked behind the buildings. Tracking would have gone from playground to area where she was put in a vehicle. Just another oddity. IMO

 

[jjenny]

To address this, my mistake for thinking the "their" in the original post referred to the police and their dog. A point here though about the bloodhound is that he did follow a lead for an hour - if Dulce ran off and someone chased her, perhaps that offers a reason for such a long tracking time. It's less than 5 minutes from the playground to where a vehicle might have been parked behind the buildings. Tracking would have gone from playground to area where she was put in a vehicle. Just another oddity. IMO

Do we know where it ended up? As far as I know bloodhound can actually follow someone even if this someone is in the car, although of course it's harder.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

How could a 5 year old run from someone without dropping her ice cream?
I think she probably walked to the waving man at the car behind the buildings then was grabbed.

I agree. jmoo, it's human nature if you're startled and going to run that you'd throw anything (within reason) in your hands at whatever startled you. It seems instinctive, and it's peculiar that they didn't find her ice cream cup.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Dog that tracked for an hour is a Bloodhound. Best in the business IMO. Find my link and open it. There’s a photo of him. Named Alec iir

Is that a police dog? I was curious what dog her brother brought down to search for Dulce before Mom called 911.

 

[jjenny]

Is that a police dog? I was curious what dog her brother brought down to search for Dulce before Mom called 911.

Police dog was a bloodhound. The dog her brother brought is a pit bull mix.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Remember to put the situation in context. There isn't a strong, trusting relationship between many immigrant communities and law enforcement. The family may be used to police in Mexico, which may not be up to the standards of American LE. There may even be a combative relationship. There's also a language barrier.

We don't know the context of this situation. What you described may not be accurate at all for her.