NJ NJ - Quinton Twp, Jericho Rd, WhtMale 16-22, UP1526, matches -Tolz Realty in Cape May, Jun'79

[victoriarobinson642]

Slightly better facial comparison.

 

[theshadow45]

Belleville John Doe has been unidentified for 44 years today.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[HmmMysterious]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this John Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

Not Caring, but here's the exclusion list:

• Roger Ellison
• Paul Mercurio
• Randall Brosius
• Michael McLaughlin
• David Bacon
• Nicholas Zizzamia (added twice)
• Lawrence Goodman

 

[theshadow45]

Belleville John Doe has been unidentified for 45 years today.

 

[snooptroop88]

About 20 minute drive north of Quinton Township (which is in Salem County) was Camp Pedricktown, part of which is still in use today by the army, but much of it is shut down and abandoned (still standing). The closure was ordered in I believe early nineties, but the installation would have been in full swing and quite active in the late 70s. Air Force had involvement there, too, and it became important in terms of aerospace defense, there was a DoD radar station there, I think. I would wonder if this young man didn't have some connection with that base, maybe visiting someone, maybe stationed there, maybe out exploring on a weekend leave. A lot of military love to explore the areas surrounding the place where they are stationed. Perhaps he ran into someone while he was out exploring, or perhaps he was traveling with someone in the area. I could definitely picture two young men stationed at a military installation going together to Atlantic City. Whoever the someone was that he was with may have used the spot where the victim was found as a dump site and killed him elsewhere. If he was stationed at Camp Pedricktown, they might have figured he had simply taken off and tried to locate him more for disciplinary purposes. He may have been from another state entirely (although the horn makes me wonder)

Just noting, Salem Cty NJ is very far west and more south, it's down past Philadelphia. The only Belleville NJ I'm seeing on a map is far north of that. I'm guessing there's another very small Belleville not showing up in Salem County, too.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

RIP

 

[snooptroop88]

And also, on the matchbook, not too many young guys would have money to be seeing an actual realtor, even back then. So I'd think this young guy had money, and guys that are stationed in these camps/bases often like to get housing off base, and they'd be likely to go through a realtor because they have the money but probably don't have the time or interest to shop through classifieds. And a lot of them are looking for homes, too, even in the relatively short-term.

 

[ifindedout]

About 20 minute drive north of Quinton Township (which is in Salem County) was Camp Pedricktown, part of which is still in use today by the army, but much of it is shut down and abandoned (still standing). The closure was ordered in I believe early nineties, but the installation would have been in full swing and quite active in the late 70s. Air Force had involvement there, too, and it became important in terms of aerospace defense, there was a DoD radar station there, I think. I would wonder if this young man didn't have some connection with that base, maybe visiting someone, maybe stationed there, maybe out exploring on a weekend leave. A lot of military love to explore the areas surrounding the place where they are stationed. Perhaps he ran into someone while he was out exploring, or perhaps he was traveling with someone in the area. I could definitely picture two young men stationed at a military installation going together to Atlantic City. Whoever the someone was that he was with may have used the spot where the victim was found as a dump site and killed him elsewhere. If he was stationed at Camp Pedricktown, they might have figured he had simply taken off and tried to locate him more for disciplinary purposes. He may have been from another state entirely (although the horn makes me wonder)

RSBM
This is what Wikipedia brings up for Camp Pedricktown

Sievers Sandberg Reserve Center - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[snooptroop88]

I see people noting on social media that they were living there in camp/base housing in the 70s.

Also found this (good images in this).

The DOD Ponds and Camp Pedricktown

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[snooptroop88]

If he's not in a database (and all these decades later, I would think he's not but definitely could be wrong),why not? Maybe the military aspect, they thought he just took off, plus not terribly close with family. Or runaway? Hitchhiker? JMO, he was killed by at least one other male, they'd have to drag the body around, and I'm wondering if the person had a truck depending on how "shallow" the "shallow grave" was, I doubt they dug by hand. I also doubt the killer's local, a local killer would probably know better how to avoid hunting areas (would assume hunters found him), and especially out in the middle of a rural area with a lot of woods like that, the killer probably could have found a more secure place to conceal the body if he knew the area. And if the victim was never put in a database, I'd think (again, could be wrong) the victim's not local either. Maybe from NJ, but not this local. Would a military guy have "pot," "meth" and so forth on his cigarette box? Maybe back in the early 70s, when they were taking surveys of enlisted and a shockingly high percentage of them were using illegal drugs. Plus he's not on the base with the box, so maybe. If a hitchhiker/runaway, did some murderer/SK pick him up and simply find some secluded spot in the woods and kill him there? Again, if that's an SK, I would think they'd probably have concealed the body more thoroughly, but they don't always. See that Randall Brosius is already excluded, after looking through Namus, he'd have been my guess with the wool pea coat.

 

[mst]

And also, on the matchbook, not too many young guys would have money to be seeing an actual realtor, even back then. So I'd think this young guy had money, and guys that are stationed in these camps/bases often like to get housing off base, and they'd be likely to go through a realtor because they have the money but probably don't have the time or interest to shop through classifieds. And a lot of them are looking for homes, too, even in the relatively short-term.

I am wondering if the realtor people had a son or daughter that hung out with this unidentified. It's also possible that someone had the matches and gave them to him.

 

[snooptroop88]

Was he an actual painter, like a house painter? They work with realtors. Painters pants. He might have had them as a fashion "thing" in the late 70s/early 80s, but there was a tendency with fashion and these pants to "doodle" and actually draw on the painters pants if they were a fashion statement. While there's doodling on the cigarette box, there's nothing about that with the pants.

And if they actually believe he was murdered in fall or winter, it's a pretty strange time to be wearing white painters pants, isn't it?

 

[snooptroop88]

Just saw this, but it's for another Salem County John Doe. There are two Salem County John Does, one's 1979 (gold "R") and one's 1978. This is listed for the Salem County John Doe 1978:

Clothing and accessories​

• Green and red Monzini by Monticella long-sleeved plaid shirt.
• Dark green pants.
• Black socks.
• Brown Florsheim shoes.
• White Fruit of the Loom boxers with blue print.
• Dark blue coveralls near body.

I'd wonder, too, if this guy was painting houses. 1978 Salem County John Doe is Oldmans Township, 1979 Salem County John Doe is Quinton Township. It's a 26 min drive from one of these locations to the other. Are these connected?

 

[snooptroop88]

Dennis Lee Reynolds

He'd be a little bit older and a little bit taller, but the data on Namus for him is estimated, not measured. He had a cleft palate and that could probably have translated into some extensive dental work, which SCJD had. To me, he looks exactly like the image for Salem County John Doe. "Reynolds was last seen in Litchfield, Illinois on February 4, 1978. He disappeared during a catastrophic blizzard that struck the area during the second-worst winter in the recorded history of Illinois, with 100-mile-per-hour wind gusts and a wind chill at sixty degrees below zero....Reynolds and his best friend went to a bar. Afterwards, Reynolds took his friend home and said he was going to go visit his girlfriend. He has never been heard from again....After his disappearance, Reynolds's car was found abandoned in a snow-filled ditch across the street from his girlfriend's house, its doors locked, its windows broken....Prior to his disappearance, Reynolds had been in a dispute with the two brothers of a girl he dated. At one point, about six months before he went missing, Reynolds was in a fight with the brothers and they beat him with a baseball bat and he had to be hospitalized for his injuries....The brothers reportedly threatened to kill Reynolds ...Reynolds drank alcohol and was involved with drugs at the time of his disappearance..." Disappeared wearing a denim jacket. Maybe he fled because of the situation with the brothers and they caught up with him. I see a strong resemblance, and while it's unlikely, I wouldn't say it's impossible.

 

[DD Byrd]

I'm not convinced he was murdered. As we've got doodles saying "meth," I'm going to take a leap and assume 1) he had at least tried it and 2) that was likely HIS handwriting). Entirely possible it wasn't his, but if he had the pack on him, I'd still guess he'd tried it. Following that, he was likely a newer user, since a) he still had his teeth and b) he'd be more likely to OD if he wasn't a regular user and didn't know what he was doing (and/or it wasn't his).

Meanwhile, he also didn't bury himself, so who was either with him when he died or found him already deceased? I think he died in an inconvenient place for someone. But more importantly, why would you bury him unless he could be tied back to you? We know "shallow" graves usually happen when people realize it's not easy (or particularly fast) to bury a deeper, less likely to be found, grave. Hence, once a hole will seemingly cover the body the digger gets the hell out of there. The dirt then settles with rain and voila, more easily found shallow grave. So, either someone knew him personally or felt something about him would lead them back to him/her/themselves. A complete stranger (if he hitched a ride, etc.) dumping him the woods wouldn't necessarily care if he was found (especially before testing for DNA transfer was readily used and cameras weren't everywhere) and might not take the time to bury him.

I don't see mention of bullet wounds or stab marks on the bones (though you could technically do either and not leave a mark if you were lucky or a ninja). So perhaps he was asphyxiated, or beaten/hit by a car and died of internal bleeding not noted on the bones. If someone/s had just met him, but he was seen with them (i.e. bar parking lot fight), I can see going 50/50 and not digging deep enough, but also not wanting him found while memories were still fresh from any witnesses so attempted burial.

 

[lightofmine99]

His Doe Network was updated yesterday.

 

[madamx]

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Slightly better facial comparison.

Omg @citizen_sleuth @victoriarobinson642
This guy that went missing from the night club reminds me of the Bear Creek John Doe from 1979 and his stats seem to fit
also

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PA Post in thread 'PA - Bear Creek, WhtMale 15-22, 2891UMPA, "Avedon" bracelet, serpent ring, clothes, May'79'

May 9, 2023

May 9 2023 rbbm.

Pennsylvania: Body found shot in the chest in 1979 sparks cold case appeal

The man, known as "Bear Creek John Doe", was found in Bear Creek Township, Luzerne County, on May 28, 1979

www.irishstar.com

''A body that was found with a gunshot wound to the chest in 1979 has sparked a major cold case appeal.

The victim's remains were discovered along an embankment by two men in a secluded area of Bear Creek Township, Luzerne County, on May 28, 1979

The man, known as "Bear Creek John Doe", is believed to have died 10-14 days before he was found. He was unrecognizable, with his body in a state of severe decomposition.

It was determined that he died by homicide after...

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[forthelost]

And also, on the matchbook, not too many young guys would have money to be seeing an actual realtor, even back then. So I'd think this young guy had money, and guys that are stationed in these camps/bases often like to get housing off base, and they'd be likely to go through a realtor because they have the money but probably don't have the time or interest to shop through classifieds. And a lot of them are looking for homes, too, even in the relatively short-term.

It's also possible he just knew it was a place to score free matches.

 

[madamx]

It's also possible he just knew it was a place to score free matches.

Ok I have to say that made me laugh! It’s so simple and it’s prob the right answer! Ha

 

[DD Byrd]

It's also possible he just knew it was a place to score free matches.

I agree. And it was 1979, so matches were everywhere people might smoke, and were something to logo.

I do find the doodling on the cigarettes interesting. Not only does it seem like a younger teenage thing to do, but somewhat rebellious "Hi Everyone, I smoke WEED and POT and JOINTS." We get it. I don't think an older teen or kid into the 20s would draw on the box. And a heavy smoker wouldn't have the box long enough to think about doing it in the first place unless he were in detention, etc.