GUILTY NM - 11 children found in "filthy" compound with little food, training to commit terrorism, Taos, Aug 2018

[Gardenista]

Several missed opportunities in search for missing boy, dad captured in New Mexico

OMG, those photos. Wow.

 

[bears10]

I'm having trouble with the family tree. Were any of the women who were arrested actual siblings to SIW? I'm seeing supporters of the group on FB calling the women sisters, but I can't figure out if that's a real thing or a Muslim thing.

Hujrah and Subhannah Wahhaj, who is married to Morton, are Wahhaj Sr.’s daughters. The younger Wahhaj is married to Leveille, the New York Post reported citing public records and statements the imam made in a January Facebook post.

Two of them are his bio sisters.

Dad arrested at 'extremist' New Mexico compound planned 'exorcism,' tied to terror-linked imam, report says

 

[bears10]

This is one of the sister's old blogs where she talks a lot about her family. Hope this is okay to post.

Thoughts of a Wahhaj Family

 

[Gardenista]

Jany's Good Reads profile only has one book she wants to read:

Polygamy in Islam
Polygamy is the Muslim practice most frequently and severely maligned by Westerners and modernist Muslims. This book can be read with profit by all unprejudiced readers who wish to know its justification and rationale.

Jany Leveille

 

[Niner]

I forgot add - they all plead not guilty.

 

[katydid23]

This is one of the sister's old blogs where she talks a lot about her family. Hope this is okay to post.

Thoughts of a Wahhaj Family

Here is her 'about me' from that link ^^^:




中彩堂XXyX,，2018六开彩开奖结果，白小姐一马中特期期准. Hujrah Wahhaj a NY native and a passionate humanitarian, has been recognized as one of the most dynamic international powerhouses in her field. Hujrah’s fiery techniques & innovative approach has proven ultimate success for her clients. Hujrah has the ability to move audiences of all calibers to tears, laughter, & deep thought all at the same time.

She is the founder and C.E.O. of Q.U.E.EN. (Quest for Unity through Empowering and Enlightening the Next generation, a youth mentoring program for young women ages 11-18.

She has been featured in articles/magazines/newspapers/radio/t.v. shows, including Sister’s Magazine, New Society Press, ILM, The Muslim Journal, SOS.org,900WURD,860WAEC,Reflections & more. She is the radio host of ‘The Hujrah Wahhaj Experience’on the No.1 network AM360. She is the Executive Producer of her t.v. show‘The Hujrah Wahhaj show’ & the Author of “How To Love A Muslim Man: 100 Interviews with 100 Muslim Men”. Throughout her travels abroad & volunteer work, she has concluded the commonality among all people is the desire to be loved.

 

[Niner]

Friday, August 10th:
*Detention Hearing (@ 9am MT) – NM – 11 Children (ages 1 to 15 found 8/3/18 in filthy NM compound) – only for *Maryam Jany Leveille (35) (wife of Siraj) arrested (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Detention hearing set for 8/10; 3rd degree child abuse changed to just child abuse.
*Siraj Ibn Wahhaj (39) arrested (8/3/18) on suspicion of child abduction of his son Abdul-Ghani (2) reported missing 12/1/17 found buried at compound on his 4th birthday 8/6/18. Hearing on previous warrant that seeks his extradition to face charges of abducting son in Georgia. Also charged (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Motions hearing on 8/13 on child abuse charges; Fugitive from justice status hearing on 9/12.
*Laqman Lucas Allen Morton (40) arrested (8/3/18) on suspicion of harboring a fugitive & 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty.
8/8/18 Update: All charges were dismissed. More charges should be coming, but nothing new on court site as of 8/10.
*Hujrah Wahhaj (38) arrested (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Detention hearing set for 8/13.
*Subhannan Wahhaj (33) (wife of Morton) arrested (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held with bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Detention hearing set for 8/13.

 

[reasonableguess]

Some new info fm friends and family.
Death in the Desert: What led to Atlanta dad’s mysterious journey?

 

[Gardenista]

Some new info fm friends and family.
Death in the Desert: What led to Atlanta dad’s mysterious journey?

5 mentally ill people--I guess it's contagious

 

[katydid23]

5 mentally ill people--I guess it's contagious

This article says that the 5 Adults left suddenly, and told no one where they were going or what they were doing. Not even their family members.

They had 11 children with them, who were taken from their comfortable lives, their schools, their friends and families.

And they were taken to a remote dusty desert, where they squatted illegally on the land. They had no clean water source, no bathroom, no clean living space, NO FOOD, .....nothing for the kids.

One of the children, the one they found deceased, was very fragile physically, when he was taken to the desert. Five adults, and none of them realized how dangerous those conditions would be for a disabled, physically fragile 3 yr old?

 

[Niner]

for Leveille from Friday's hearing:

Actions Activity:
Amended Notice of Hearing (This amendment is to change the date/time of the hearing from Friday, August 10, 2018 at 9:00 am to the date/time noted below) August 13, 2018 at 10:00 am - State's Expedited Motion for Pretrial Detention/No Bond Hold

Hearings for this Case
Hearing Date Hearing Time Hearing Type Hearing Judge Court Court Room
08/13/2018 10:00 AM DETENTION HEARING Backus, Sarah C. TAOS DISTRICT COURT Taos Courtroom A

08/08/2018 2:30 PM ARRAIGNMENT Backus, Sarah C. TAOS DISTRICT COURT

link: Stale Session

 

[Niner]

Monday, August 13th:
*Motions Hearing (re Child Abuse charges) (@ 11:30am MT) – NM – 11 Children (ages 1 to 15 found 8/3/18 in filthy NM compound) – *Siraj Ibn Wahhaj (39) arrested (8/3/18) on suspicion of child abduction of his son Abdul-Ghani (2) reported missing 12/1/17 found buried at compound on his 4th birthday 8/6/18. Hearing on previous warrant that seeks his extradition to face charges of abducting son in Georgia. Also charged (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Motions hearing on 8/13 on child abuse charges; Fugitive from justice status hearing on 9/12.
*Detention Hearing (@ 12:45pm MT) - *Hujrah Wahhaj (38) arrested (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Detention hearing set for 8/13.
*Detention Hearing (@ 12:45pm MT) - *Subhannan Wahhaj (33) (wife of Morton) arrested (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Detention hearing set for 8/13.
*Detention Hearing (@ 10am MT) Maryam Jany Leveille (35) (wife of Siraj) arrested (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Detention hearing set for 8/10; 3rd degree child abuse changed to just child abuse. Hearing on 8/10 postponed to today, 8/13.
*Laqman Lucas Allen Morton (40) arrested (8/3/18) on suspicion of harboring a fugitive & 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty.
8/8/18 Update: All charges were dismissed. No updated charges yet on court site as of 8/13.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Suspects arrested in NM compound raid expected in court

The five adults who were arrested after a raid on their compound in northern New Mexico will appear in court today.

 

[Niner]

I see that this has been changed:

Monday, August 13th:
*Detention Hearing (re Child Abuse charges) (@ 2pm MT) – NM – 11 Children (ages 1 to 15 found 8/3/18 in filthy NM compound) – *Siraj Ibn Wahhaj (39) arrested (8/3/18) on suspicion of child abduction of his son Abdul-Ghani (2) reported missing 12/1/17 found buried at compound on his 4th birthday 8/6/18. Hearing on previous warrant that seeks his extradition to face charges of abducting son in Georgia. Also charged (8/3/18) on 11 felony counts of child abuse. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
8/8/18 Update: To be held without bond, Motions hearing on 8/13 on child abuse charges; Fugitive from justice status hearing on 9/12.

All others time was changed to 2pm. Still no "new" charges on Morton though.

 

[RickshawFan]

If I have to decide which person seems more credible---the foster mother, or Siraj Ibn Wahhaj, I am going with the foster mother.

Missing: children can be very suggestible and make things up to be pleasing to adults. Known fact. Cf. the McMarten childcare case. Making things up doesn't make kids liars, either.

The foster mother shouldn't be discussing any of this. It is for forensic psychologists, who are trained in taking information from young victims and witnesses. Anything else taints the witness testimony.

 

[bears10]

Missing: children can be very suggestible and make things up to be pleasing to adults. Known fact. Cf. the McMarten childcare case. Making things up doesn't make kids liars, either.

The foster mother shouldn't be discussing any of this. It is for forensic psychologists, who are trained in taking information from young victims and witnesses. Anything else taints the witness testimony.

The foster mom told authorities... why shouldn’t she have discussed that info with LE? It’s not like she’s giving media interviews or discussing with anyone other than LE AFAIK. We don’t know what the conversation was between her and the victim.

 

[PayrollNerd]

It is possible the foster parents are overhearing the children's conversations and/or documenting odd comments from the children. That would be more fruitful than pumping them for information. This is similar to a child of divorce; kids hate to be asked questions by their parent during visitation, they parrot back what the other parent has told them to say, they repeat what has been programmed into them. The kids belief system is that of the adults in their lives. I would expect law enforcement would need the children's comments as part of their investigation.

 

[katydid23]

There are some very troubling tweets from an NBC reporter. I will post some of them.


Gadi Schwartz‏Verified account @GadiNBC 2h2 hours ago
Prosecutors closing, saying a 13 year old and a 15 year old were talking about being trained in weapons tactics & getting rid of government institutions, a dead child, letters to others saying bring guns, etc. Says looking at the totality, suspects should be kept detained


[ the judge did not detain them though. They had 20k bond and house arrest, I believe.]

 

[katydid23]

Gadi Schwartz‏Verified account @GadiNBC
Judge is back- says what she heard today are troubling facts about numerous children in far from ideal circumstances living in an unconventional way.... says most troubling fact is the young child who died.





Sheriff says Siraj Wahhaj was armed with an AR15 and a pistol when taken into custody... and a boy was also found with a holster, later telling investigators that he was told to arm up by Siraj and armed himself during the raid.

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   Gadi Schwartz‏Verified account @GadiNBC 5h5 hours ago
   Sheriff says the deceased child was wrapped in cloth and plastic.
   
   
   
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   Gadi Schwartz‏Verified account @GadiNBC 4h4 hours ago
   FBI says that the children told them about rituals that were performed on the small 3 year old child Abdul. Says the children reported that Siraj would place his hand on the child's forehead and repeat verses from the Koran. Says the boy died during one of those rituals in Feb.
   
   
   

 

[katydid23]

New conversation

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  Gadi Schwartz‏Verified account @GadiNBC 4h4 hours ago
  
  
  FBI says boy told him they would participate in tactical training, speed loading, moving and shooting and room clearing. Child says at first training was to defend compound against government.
  
  

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  Gadi Schwartz‏Verified account @GadiNBC 4h4 hours ago
  The boy then told the FBI they were trained on how to attack "corrupt institutions" including financial institutions. Said they would carry out attacks by telling people about their message and if they didn't accept the message they would kill them or detain them
  

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  Gadi Schwartz‏Verified account @GadiNBC 3h3 hours ago
  FBI says that one of the women believed that Abdul was rightfully her son and stolen from her womb by black magic.