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The wife's 911 call is out there I just have not found the recording " in full" on an msm to attach

The earlier attached Law and Crime You tube plays a portion of the 911 call and then you have to listen to Chris McDonough ( eye roll for me )- I did not get any further than that so maybe the full uninterupted call comes later in the vid?

To me its the oddest 911 call - Her affect is seemingly all wrong (is she is on anti anxiety meds?) My mind is actually still processing it - I will listen later a few more times

Below is tmz weighing in. On the call his wife Susan does say that he has a smart watch and that she did not find that left behind.

This line is confusing to me "During the call, Susan explained that she and Neil had been seeing a doctor for anxiety, short-term memory loss and lack of sleep.

And then she says she was at that very same Doctor (she left home alone at 11:10 and she was back home at noon) ..so are they BOTH suffering anxiety/sleep loss/short term memory issues?

When she arrived back home he was gone. So within 50 minutes he changed his clothes got the gun etc and took off. IMO there was already a plan in place.

"Susan McCasland Wilkerson tells the dispatcher that she has "some indication that he planned not to be found."
IMO this is far different than if she said it is my belief he meant not to be found.

I read earlier that the "repairman" was cleared. Did we get any more on that ?

Because that is the obvious way he left the house - in that person's van/car.

The info that he changed his clothes is interesting - then the clothes they thought he changed into were found to be at their other house. So did he put on a "repaiman onesie" and exit that way?
Would be a great way to hide in plain sight

Nothing was adding up before the 911 call. Now that we have the call I really feel like something is off.
I was willing to go with a plain suicide or maybe he went to "ground" before. Now I wonder if the other option is that the repairman was there to take him out and he just made it look like he walked away.

Very weird one for sure on all fronts.

Also I down play him leaving his phone and glasses - very easy to have had a burner and a new set of glasses if he did indeed plan this.

JMO



 
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The wife's 911 call is out there I just have not found the recording " in full" on an msm to attach

The earlier attached Law and Crime You tube plays a portion of the 911 call and then you have to listen to Chris McDonough ( eye roll for me )- I did not get any further than that so maybe the full uninterupted call comes later in the vid?

To me its the oddest 911 call - Her affect is seemingly all wrong (is she is on anti anxiety meds?) My mind is actually still processing it - I will listen later a few more times

Below is tmz weighing in. On the call his wife Susan does say that he has a smart watch and that she did not find that left behind.

This line is confusing to me "During the call, Susan explained that she and Neil had been seeing a doctor for anxiety, short-term memory loss and lack of sleep.

And then she says she was at that very same Doctor (she left home alone at 11:10 and she was back home at noon) ..so are they BOTH suffering anxiety/sleep loss/short term memory issues?

When she arrived back home he was gone. So within 50 minutes he changed his clothes got the gun etc and took off. IMO there was already a plan in place.

"Susan McCasland Wilkerson tells the dispatcher that she has "some indication that he planned not to be found."
IMO this is far different than if she said it is my belief he meant not to be found.

I read earlier that the "repairman" was cleared. Did we get any more on that ?

Because that is the obvious way he left the house - in that person's van/car.

The info that he changed his clothes is interesting - then the clothes they thought he changed into were found to be at their other house. So did he put on a "repaiman onesie" and exit that way?
Would be a great way to hide in plain sight

Nothing was adding up before the 911 call. Now that we have the call I really feel like something is off.
I was willing to go with a plain suicide or maybe he went to "ground" before. Now I wonder if the other option is that the repairman was there to take him out and he just made it look like he walked away.

Very weird one for sure on all fronts.

Also I down play him leaving his phone and glasses - very easy to have had a burner and a new set of glasses if he did indeed plan this.

JMO



They're both having those issues? CO poisoning?

MOO
 
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They're both having those issues? CO poisoning?

MOO
The way it is written seemed to indicate that but it’s tmz. So who knows.
The whole thing is a quagmire.
On the 911 tape the only time his wife seems off script is when the 911 operator asks about cameras at the house. She hesitates for just a sec/ there is a discernible pause. Then she says No cameras.
You had a highest level clearance and u hv no security. Another anomaly.
Also these times have created a lot of anxiety for a lot of people/ us.
Chaos coming at us fast. Imagine if you knew all he knew -and were afraid a particular thing would happen. That is cause for huge anxiety. That leads to lack of sleep cascading into sleep deprivation which causes short term memory loss.
I don’t have answers here obviously but nothing adds up to me yet.
JMO
 
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The wife's 911 call is out there I just have not found the recording " in full" on an msm to attach

The earlier attached Law and Crime You tube plays a portion of the 911 call and then you have to listen to Chris McDonough ( eye roll for me )- I did not get any further than that so maybe the full uninterupted call comes later in the vid?

To me its the oddest 911 call - Her affect is seemingly all wrong (is she is on anti anxiety meds?) My mind is actually still processing it - I will listen later a few more times

Below is tmz weighing in. On the call his wife Susan does say that he has a smart watch and that she did not find that left behind.

This line is confusing to me "During the call, Susan explained that she and Neil had been seeing a doctor for anxiety, short-term memory loss and lack of sleep.

And then she says she was at that very same Doctor (she left home alone at 11:10 and she was back home at noon) ..so are they BOTH suffering anxiety/sleep loss/short term memory issues?

When she arrived back home he was gone. So within 50 minutes he changed his clothes got the gun etc and took off. IMO there was already a plan in place.

"Susan McCasland Wilkerson tells the dispatcher that she has "some indication that he planned not to be found."
IMO this is far different than if she said it is my belief he meant not to be found.

I read earlier that the "repairman" was cleared. Did we get any more on that ?

Because that is the obvious way he left the house - in that person's van/car.

The info that he changed his clothes is interesting - then the clothes they thought he changed into were found to be at their other house. So did he put on a "repaiman onesie" and exit that way?
Would be a great way to hide in plain sight

Nothing was adding up before the 911 call. Now that we have the call I really feel like something is off.
I was willing to go with a plain suicide or maybe he went to "ground" before. Now I wonder if the other option is that the repairman was there to take him out and he just made it look like he walked away.

Very weird one for sure on all fronts.

Also I down play him leaving his phone and glasses - very easy to have had a burner and a new set of glasses if he did indeed plan this.

JMO




Perhaps this is something he had been talking about for some time, and therefore, the only real surprise for her wasn't that he'd done it just he'd done it now. That would account for her tone.

What doesn't gel for me if this is self-harm -- without a body, what would happen to his military benefits. No body, no death benefits for his surviving spouse. No body, do his retirement benefits continue? Was this a calculated way to stick it to the man? Stick it to the wife?

Where did he go??????

Perplexing.

JMO
 
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Perhaps this is something he had been talking about for some time, and therefore, the only real surprise for her wasn't that he'd done it just he'd done it now. That would account for her tone.

What doesn't gel for me if this is self-harm -- without a body, what would happen to his military benefits. No body, no death benefits for his surviving spouse. No body, do his retirement benefits continue? Was this a calculated way to stick it to the man? Stick it to the wife?

Where did he go??????

Perplexing.

JMO
Good points about the benefits
JMO
 
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Some feedback on some of the comments above from my experience.

CONTEXT. I worked for about 20 years with clients who had retired and needed help planning the future, and saw and talked at length with MANY who were either starting to have diminished capacity, or who were dealing with it at various levels of severity, and/or who had a spouse in that situation. Most of them also had retirement benefits that at times had to be researched. I also went through an extreme case of Alzheimer's with a family member (who had it for 15-20 years, in a long slow descent of getting worse and worse). So I have had a varied and close up view of what some of this looks like.

1 If you have not had to deal with this dementia stuff with someone close to you, I am very glad for you. I hope you never do. But if you haven't, it's hard to get a good feel for what it's like.
2 The biggest thing that's hard to grasp is the utter frustration that it can create. Your world narrows, and life gets harder, but you have less ability to deal with it. Some of it can cause a mounting frustration.
3 I can't say what I would do in his place, but if NM had some feel for what he was facing, I can see why he would want to bail on life before it got worse. I would hope people would not do that, but we all have to make our own choices.
4 If he decided to end his life, he may have not wanted to face the road ahead, but he also may have not wanted to have his wife and loved ones having to deal with his situation either. It is a TON of work to help a person like that navigate their days.
5 The spouse may have also had issues, or may have been talking to someone about how to deal with NM's issues. There are great resources available that help, if you are willing to ask and find out where to look.
6 Being "relatively" young isn't any help (in fact, if a person thinks they will live MANY more years like that and get worse all the time, it may be even bigger incentive to end it all).
7 Re benefits, almost all life insurance policies, unless they were taken out recently (a 2 year lookback is the norm), also pay out regardless of suicide or not. Military benefits should not be impacted either. Death is death, regardless of how, and what pays out from there should stay the same, especially as relates to his pension. (There is technically an added "disability" benefit that could confer to the spouse if the suicide is deemed to be service related, but the issue is whether there was a service-caused disability that led to the suicide, rather than whether it was a suicide per se.)
8 A very rational explanation for why he might have gone to do harm to himself, without leaving a note to explain, is that he had decided he didn't want to do it in or near the home (because of the mess and trauma that would create) AND he didn't want there to be a chance to be caught and stopped from finishing. It's possible that if/when he is found, there will be a note on his person. We'll see.

MY CONCLUSION. Based on my experience, there's nothing in this story that looks all that odd and that demands a conspiracy or something nefarious to explain it. Life can get very hard, and even overwhelming, when dementia comes into play. People make choices. I think that's all we're seeing, and what we will discover eventually.

MY 2c ON HIS APPARENT CHOICE. As a Christian, I think there are way better solutions than this, when life gets hard. God is always bigger than our fears of the present and the future. We can be of huge value to others, in ways we do not know, by showing faith and endurance through the trials of life. And we can actually learn and grow in our faith when things get harder. Faith will give life meaning, when it's missing.
 
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Some feedback on some of the comments above from my experience.

CONTEXT. I worked for about 20 years with clients who had retired and needed help planning the future, and saw and talked at length with MANY who were either starting to have diminished capacity, or who were dealing with it at various levels of severity, and/or who had a spouse in that situation. Most of them also had retirement benefits that at times had to be researched. I also went through an extreme case of Alzheimer's with a family member (who had it for 15-20 years, in a long slow descent of getting worse and worse). So I have had a varied and close up view of what some of this looks like.

1 If you have not had to deal with this dementia stuff with someone close to you, I am very glad for you. I hope you never do. But if you haven't, it's hard to get a good feel for what it's like.
2 The biggest thing that's hard to grasp is the utter frustration that it can create. Your world narrows, and life gets harder, but you have less ability to deal with it. Some of it can cause a mounting frustration.
3 I can't say what I would do in his place, but if NM had some feel for what he was facing, I can see why he would want to bail on life before it got worse. I would hope people would not do that, but we all have to make our own choices.
4 If he decided to end his life, he may have not wanted to face the road ahead, but he also may have not wanted to have his wife and loved ones having to deal with his situation either. It is a TON of work to help a person like that navigate their days.
5 The spouse may have also had issues, or may have been talking to someone about how to deal with NM's issues. There are great resources available that help, if you are willing to ask and find out where to look.
6 Being "relatively" young isn't any help (in fact, if a person thinks they will live MANY more years like that and get worse all the time, it may be even bigger incentive to end it all).
7 Re benefits, almost all life insurance policies, unless they were taken out recently (a 2 year lookback is the norm), also pay out regardless of suicide or not. Military benefits should not be impacted either. Death is death, regardless of how, and what pays out from there should stay the same, especially as relates to his pension. (There is technically an added "disability" benefit that could confer to the spouse if the suicide is deemed to be service related, but the issue is whether there was a service-caused disability that led to the suicide, rather than whether it was a suicide per se.)
8 A very rational explanation for why he might have gone to do harm to himself, without leaving a note to explain, is that he had decided he didn't want to do it in or near the home (because of the mess and trauma that would create) AND he didn't want there to be a chance to be caught and stopped from finishing. It's possible that if/when he is found, there will be a note on his person. We'll see.

MY CONCLUSION. Based on my experience, there's nothing in this story that looks all that odd and that demands a conspiracy or something nefarious to explain it. Life can get very hard, and even overwhelming, when dementia comes into play. People make choices. I think that's all we're seeing, and what we will discover eventually.

MY 2c ON HIS APPARENT CHOICE. As a Christian, I think there are way better solutions than this, when life gets hard. God is always bigger than our fears of the present and the future. We can be of huge value to others, in ways we do not know, by showing faith and endurance through the trials of life. And we can actually learn and grow in our faith when things get harder. Faith will give life meaning, when it's missing.
But don't they have to find his body for any of these death related benefits to be paid out and/or kick in?? What if his body is not found...
 
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Perhaps this is something he had been talking about for some time, and therefore, the only real surprise for her wasn't that he'd done it just he'd done it now. That would account for her tone.

What doesn't gel for me if this is self-harm -- without a body, what would happen to his military benefits. No body, no death benefits for his surviving spouse. No body, do his retirement benefits continue? Was this a calculated way to stick it to the man? Stick it to the wife?

Where did he go??????

Perplexing.

JMO
First case that comes to mind is Tyler Goodrich.
He was very close to home yet he wasn't found for a long time, despite numerous searches....because he was hanging from a tree and no one looked up.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that maybe in this case he thought he had chosen an obvious spot and he would just be found soon, but things are not going quite as planned.
 
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But don't they have to find his body for any of these death related benefits to be paid out and/or kick in?? What if his body is not found...

Assuming his wife of many years is his beneficiary (which is the norm) and that his pension etc is set up to pay out over both his lifetime and also that of his designated beneficiary (which is the norm), then it should make little to no difference. Why? Because the death benefits are designed to be a replacement for living benefits. As long as he is legally considered to be alive, the lifetime benefits (military pension, SS payments, etc) will continue to be paid, and then after his death, survivor (beneficiary) benefits replace those lifetime benefits. In many cases those payments are set to be exactly the same.

And it's VERY early to assume he is in a place he will NEVER be found. Experience tells us that (like Lisbeth posted) searchers can simply fail to notice what you might think will be easy to find. I am reminded of the case of Leanne Bearden about 2014, who went for a walk in a Texas suburb of San Antonio and never came home. There were many searches and agencies who looked for her, theories about how she may have been kidnapped/trafficked, searches of videos of traffic, and more. Eventually (about a month later) her body was found less than a mile from her home - she had hung herself in a tree with a heavy overhang that was in a wooded area at the rear of a residential property, and no one had happened to look there. Until one day they saw her.

But if he is dead and his body is NEVER found, then at a certain point he can be presumed dead and legally declared to be dead, and the page is turned. Each state has its own laws on that timing and how it works.

Anyhow, the benefits he earned aren't likely to be hampered as it plays out. And while at the moment it feels like he may never be found, that can change at any time. He's missing-missing-missing and then suddenly it's over.
 
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I would venture a guess that a lot of us have experience with alzheimer/dementia/ other debilitating diseases. I was the caretaker for both my parents at different times. You reach a certain age and there is not much that you have not seen at a pretty up close and deep level imo.

I believe that every individual should have the right to decide their fate, while still of sound mind, to choose their course.

Going off to die might have been Neil's way of handling his health situation. No judgement from me.
I do not live in his shoes so I don't know the level of deterioration he was experiencing in body and mind.

We still don't know yet if there was an actual diagnosis - or just a general chat about how things might go and what label they might attach


But I still feel lin my gut like there is something off - so I remain not ready to fimly plant my flag on any of the options we have discussed

JMO
 
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“I have some indication that he must have planned not to be found,” said Wilkerson, who also cited medical problems her spouse had been experiencing
Jennifer Coffindaffer, NewsNation law and justice contributor, notes that McCasland reportedly did not take his wallet, phone, tracking device or even his glasses.

“I truly believe he left in this situation not to be found again,” she told NewsNation Prime on Saturday.

Based on the known facts, Coffindaffer said she doesn’t put much stock into speculation that McCasland was targeted because of his past involvement with secret government programs that may have included UFOs and “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAPs.

“He left seemingly, completely on his own accord. As I said, he took a gun with him. He didn’t take his glasses, and I think that that was because he knew he would not need them,” she said.
 
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“I have some indication that he must have planned not to be found,” said Wilkerson, who also cited medical problems her spouse had been experiencing
Jennifer Coffindaffer, NewsNation law and justice contributor, notes that McCasland reportedly did not take his wallet, phone, tracking device or even his glasses.

“I truly believe he left in this situation not to be found again,” she told NewsNation Prime on Saturday.

Based on the known facts, Coffindaffer said she doesn’t put much stock into speculation that McCasland was targeted because of his past involvement with secret government programs that may have included UFOs and “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAPs.

“He left seemingly, completely on his own accord. As I said, he took a gun with him. He didn’t take his glasses, and I think that that was because he knew he would not need them,” she said.
I would have thought it would have to be a cold day in Hades for me to be nodding along here with Coffindaffer, but here we are. She's talking sense.

MOO
 
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I would have thought it would have to be a cold day in Hades for me to be nodding along here with Coffindaffer, but here we are. She's talking sense.

MOO
I'm not familiar with her. Is she usually seen as non-credible?
 
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I would have thought it would have to be a cold day in Hades for me to be nodding along here with Coffindaffer, but here we are. She's talking sense.

MOO
I feel the same way about Coffindaffer - she has been all wet and just wrong in so many instances so I am not yet ready to nod along with her. As a matter of fact her opinion may push me further in the other direction lol ..... I actually think many times in cases she is paid to push an agenda. Just my gut.

I am in the same camp as Neil's pal Sherman quoted in the same news nation article :
“I’m just totally mystified. I have no understanding whatsoever how you can walk out your front door and vanish,” Sherman McCorkle told NewsNation. “Nothing makes any sense.”

Re the glasses its just as easy for me to believe he had anothe pair as to believe he would not be needing them. I don't know anyone who has only one pair of glasses - there is always a back up pair if you really need them to see. So what kind of glasses are they anyway - just reading glasses? If yes they are found everywhere and a dime a dozen. Did he have prescription sunglasses?

Here is Coffindaffer's background :


I know Susan is super intelligent (iirc a phd herself and was also in the service), but my sense is she is leaving out so very much more she knows regarding this all - lots of Golly Gee going on

JUST IMO
 
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Re the glasses its just as easy for me to believe he had anothe pair as to believe he would not be needing them. I don't know anyone who has only one pair of glasses - there is always a back up pair if you really need them to see. So what kind of glasses are they anyway - just reading glasses? If yes they are found everywhere and a dime a dozen. Did he have prescription sunglasses?
RSBM

Re the glasses, I just wonder why it would have been mentioned or reported at all if his having left that pair at home wasn't notable.

But, as always, this is all MOO.
 
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RSBM

Re the glasses, I just wonder why it would have been mentioned or reported at all if his having left that pair at home wasn't notable.

But, as always, this is all MOO.
Agreed… but if he actually needs them to be able to see where the heck he is going - how the heck is he seeing so he can get to his hidey hole with his plan to end things?

Also everyone seems to say well, he left on foot bc the cars and bikes are still at the house. Of course that leaves out him leaving with someone else - why isn’t that possibility mentioned? Since there is no footage from cameras - which is suspicious to me btw- nobody knows how he left imo

For me - things mentioned are too vague and no one seems to be taking a hard look.

Why did he change his clothes? And no one seems to know what he changed in to. Wife thought it was initially a green shirt. But that was found at the other house.

The wife left for the doctor, returned 50 minutes later ( that was quick) and he had disappeared without a trace.

Hard to believe for me unless he was in a vehicle.

JMO
 
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Agreed… but if he actually needs them to be able to see where the heck he is going - how the heck is he seeing so he can get to his hidey hole with his plan to end things?

Also everyone seems to say well, he left on foot bc the cars and bikes are still at the house. Of course that leaves out him leaving with someone else - why isn’t that possibility mentioned? Since there is no footage from cameras - which is suspicious to me btw- nobody knows how he left imo

For me - things mentioned are too vague and no one seems to be taking a hard look.

Why did he change his clothes? And no one seems to know what he changed in to. Wife thought it was initially a green shirt. But that was found at the other house.

The wife left for the doctor, returned 50 minutes later ( that was quick) and he had disappeared without a trace.

Hard to believe for me unless he was in a vehicle.

JMO
Agreed! That's why I am stuck on the glasses. I think he would be extremely uncomfortable navigating (on foot or otherwise) to his chosen spot without his prescription glasses. Would he not need them to check his gun or identify a bump or hole in the path, etc.? Or notice if anyone was following him?

If he was intent on slipping quickly away unnoticed, I'd think he'd want to know if he was, indeed, unnoticed. And to look normal in the process, in case someone did happen along before he was safely out of sight.

And I also agree on the doctor's visit. That's really quick. What time was the appointment, I wonder. Was it just to do labs or pick up a prescription? Maybe he thought he'd have longer, but she was back in less than an hour, and still he's gone without a trace.

I just don't know. At this point I'm 50/50 self harm vs. foul play.

MOO
 
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Agreed! That's why I am stuck on the glasses. I think he would be extremely uncomfortable navigating (on foot or otherwise) to his chosen spot without his prescription glasses. Would he not need them to check his gun or identify a bump or hole in the path, etc.? Or notice if anyone was following him?

If he was intent on slipping quickly away unnoticed, I'd think he'd want to know if he was, indeed, unnoticed. And to look normal in the process, in case someone did happen along before he was safely out of sight.

And I also agree on the doctor's visit. That's really quick. What time was the appointment, I wonder. Was it just to do labs or pick up a prescription? Maybe he thought he'd have longer, but she was back in less than an hour, and still he's gone without a trace.

I just don't know. At this point I'm 50/50 self harm vs. foul play.

MOO
Totally with you
 

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