GUILTY NM - Two killed, 4 injured in shooting at Clovis library, 28 Aug 2017 *Arrest*

[Lilibet]

Here's an update on the victims, and then I'll have to take a break. I deal with acute, chronic anxiety and depression and this plus the hurricane and all the victims--people and animals--is too much for me to deal with right now, especially since there's been a delay on my anxiety meds and I'm not coping well. Sorry for the TMI.
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LUBBOCK, Texas - . . .
Ragain said a 10-year-old male, later identified as Noah Molina, is in the best condition of the four and is listed as being in satisfactory condition. Noah's sister, Alexis Molina, 21, is listed as in serious condition.

Howard Jones, 53, is also listed as in serious condition.
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http://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/lubbock-doctor-gives-update-on-clovis-shooting-victims/4589727/

Big hugs, Audrey. :grouphug: Thank you for starting this thread. You deserve a break. Take good care of yourself, please. :heartbeat:

 

[Springrain]

More info here:

http://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/clovis-shooter-identified-nathaniel-jouett/4589628/

"The family source tells KOB that Nathaniel first began using methamphetamines at the age of 13, amidst a broken family structure.
Clovis Pastor David Stevens corroborated that information Tuesday, telling KOB that Nathaniel had lived a rough life, and had even experienced some possible abuse at the hands of someone outside the family."

 

[Springrain]

Teen suspected of killing two in library shooting had been suspended from school
https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhe...s-16-years-old?utm_term=.qqoLjo3Mq#.xu4ZpLKDR

"[FONT=&amp]The suspected gunman who opened fire in a New Mexico library on Monday, killing two people and injuring four others, was identified by police as a 16-year-old who had recently been suspended from school.
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Prosecutors said they are considering whether to charge Nathan Jouett as an adult for allegedly killing two library employees in the town of Clovis. A 10-year-old boy, who is now in stable condition, was among those injured in the shooting."[/FONT]

 

[MzOpinion8d]

The registered owner of this gun, when/if found, needs to be locked away too. When people make the choice to own weapons and a crime is committed by a minor with the owner's gun, the owner needs to pay a very stiff price. That's the only way people will be forced to be responsible with their weapons. If you can't 100% guarantee that your gun is not going to be able to be taken, then you have absolutely no business having one. Prosecute registered gun owners when a crime is committed with their gun. 100%.

Well, then anyone who owns a car should be able to 100% guarantee it can't be stolen and used to run over someone, and anyone who owns a knife of any kind should be able to 100% guarantee the knife won't ever be used to stab someone.

People are *always* going to be able to get guns. It's not hard. And with 3D printers and technology, they're going to be able to make their own before much longer, if they haven't already figured that out.

 

[normajean]

im so saddened by this tragedy

 

[rebeccaeee]

I work in a large public library district and we have had repeated training for this. We also have armed guards at all urban branches now. That said, many of our service desks are in the middle of the branch without access to a room, closet, escape route.. I cannot believe it doesn't happen more often. People come to us for free computer usage and we have issues/altercations between the public EVERY DAY. The library community is seriously rattled by this one.

 

[animlzrule]

Well, then anyone who owns a car should be able to 100% guarantee it can't be stolen and used to run over someone, and anyone who owns a knife of any kind should be able to 100% guarantee the knife won't ever be used to stab someone.

People are *always* going to be able to get guns. It's not hard. And with 3D printers and technology, they're going to be able to make their own before much longer, if they haven't already figured that out.

This is a tired, old NRA talking point, and a massive false equivalence. But I think we all know that...

 

[Footwarrior]

Well, then anyone who owns a car should be able to 100% guarantee it can't be stolen and used to run over someone, and anyone who owns a knife of any kind should be able to 100% guarantee the knife won't ever be used to stab someone.

People are *always* going to be able to get guns. It's not hard. And with 3D printers and technology, they're going to be able to make their own before much longer, if they haven't already figured that out.

In reality most criminals and spree killers are not masterminds. They are able to acquire guns because all too many gun owners in the US are careless. They don't take reasonable precautions to keep firearms out of the hands of people that can't legally have them.

Nations that require gun owners to secure their weapons have fewer incidents like the Clovis library shooting.

 

[Tawny]

Well, then anyone who owns a car should be able to 100% guarantee it can't be stolen and used to run over someone, and anyone who owns a knife of any kind should be able to 100% guarantee the knife won't ever be used to stab someone.

People are *always* going to be able to get guns. It's not hard. And with 3D printers and technology, they're going to be able to make their own before much longer, if they haven't already figured that out.

I believe if there were massive penalties, be it jail time, huge fines, or even revoking a person's "right" to own firearms, when their firearm is used in a crime (not by them), it would make people WAY more careful about where and when they store their firearms. So many of these shootings are using firearms that belong to someone else (family member, stolen, etc).

Right now, you do not have to report it to anyone if you lose or sell your firearm (at least in my state). You don't have to report it if it's stolen. I feel that if a stolen or lost firearm results in massive penalties for the owner, people would be quick to report the loss/theft to absolve themselves in the event that firearm is used in a violent crime. My ideas are that this does not infringe on anyone's "rights" to own firearms but it also reduces the instances of stolen/lost firearms being used in crimes.

All, JMO.

 

[Springrain]

This is a tired, old NRA talking point, and a massive false equivalence. But I think we all know that...

In reality most criminals and spree killers are not masterminds. They are able to acquire guns because all too many gun owners in the US are careless. They don't take reasonable precautions to keep firearms out of the hands of people that can't legally have them.

Nations that require gun owners to secure their weapons have fewer incidents like the Clovis library shooting.

I believe if there were massive penalties, be it jail time, huge fines, or even revoking a person's "right" to own firearms, when their firearm is used in a crime (not by them), it would make people WAY more careful about where and when they store their firearms. So many of these shootings are using firearms that belong to someone else (family member, stolen, etc).

Right now, you do not have to report it to anyone if you lose or sell your firearm (at least in my state). You don't have to report it if it's stolen. I feel that if a stolen or lost firearm results in massive penalties for the owner, people would be quick to report the loss/theft to absolve themselves in the event that firearm is used in a violent crime. My ideas are that this does not infringe on anyone's "rights" to own firearms but it also reduces the instances of stolen/lost firearms being used in crimes.

All, JMO.

Couldn't have said it better. You guys are the best.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

This is a tired, old NRA talking point, and a massive false equivalence. But I think we all know that...

Well, I didn't know that. But apparently I think like the NRA. I don't see how it is a "massive false equivalent" either. Gun gets stolen, kills a person, gun owner is responsible? Car gets stolen, kills a person, car owner is responsible.

 

[Tawny]

Well, I didn't know that. But apparently I think like the NRA. I don't see how it is a "massive false equivalent" either. Gun gets stolen, kills a person, gun owner is responsible? Car gets stolen, kills a person, car owner is responsible.

One is designed and manufactured for one purpose: to kill.

 

[kaen]

Well, then anyone who owns a car should be able to 100% guarantee it can't be stolen and used to run over someone, and anyone who owns a knife of any kind should be able to 100% guarantee the knife won't ever be used to stab someone.

People are *always* going to be able to get guns. It's not hard. And with 3D printers and technology, they're going to be able to make their own before much longer, if they haven't already figured that out.

This young man had documented issues according to his pastor. If he stole a gun from somewhere other than home I am inclined to agree. However, if he took a gun from home that was not locked up, I believe the gun owner is responsible. To keep a gun available in a home with a child who has been suicidal is not just stupid, it should be criminal. They claim he has been depressed, drug-abusing, and kept a suicide note with him at all times.

I believe this young man is responsible for his actions and be tried as an adult. But, he also has mental health issues and was not living on his own.

 

[katydid23]

One is designed and manufactured for one purpose: to kill.

That is not the only reason people use guns. Shooting is a sport and a hobby, which involves no killing. And they can be used as protection, hopefully involving no killing.

 

[animlzrule]

I believe if there were massive penalties, be it jail time, huge fines, or even revoking a person's "right" to own firearms, when their firearm is used in a crime (not by them), it would make people WAY more careful about where and when they store their firearms. So many of these shootings are using firearms that belong to someone else (family member, stolen, etc).

Right now, you do not have to report it to anyone if you lose or sell your firearm (at least in my state). You don't have to report it if it's stolen. I feel that if a stolen or lost firearm results in massive penalties for the owner, people would be quick to report the loss/theft to absolve themselves in the event that firearm is used in a violent crime. My ideas are that this does not infringe on anyone's "rights" to own firearms but it also reduces the instances of stolen/lost firearms being used in crimes.

All, JMO.

It's such a reasonable solution, well, not a solution, but an approach. It would drive home the point that everyone thinks they're a responsible gun owner- until they're not. Guns are designed exclusively to kill. Guns are not necessary, and unlike cars which actually serve a societal function having nothing to do with killing, they have an obvious, certain and frequently deadly outcome when used. If you are willing to have one and it gets into someone else's hands, then YOU pay a HARSH penalty too. Anybody who believes they are responsible and that their gun can be stored safely on their premises should have no qualms about legislation that mandates charges for gun owners who have guns registered in their names that are used in a crime. Because after all, it won't happen to them, right? Especially for parents of children who kill themselves or others with the parent's gun. It's unconscionable that one would have a gun available in the home with a child.

 

[Maroon10]

Guns are a privilege unlike any other and I feel responsible gun owners and enthusiast should want strict guidelines, laws and registrations on ownership because if you are a responsible gun owner, then there shouldnt be an issue.

 

[Springrain]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teen-suspect-didnt-know-victims-in-new-mexico-library-rampage/

Cops: Teen suspect didn't know victims in New Mexico library rampage

 

[JerseyGirl]

The teen will be tried as an adult on charges including first-degree murder in a month-long trial set to begin March 18, 2019, in the Chaves County Courthouse in Roswell.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...tes-venue-set-for-fatal-library-shooting-case

 

[JerseyGirl]

The New Mexico teen who opened fire in the Clovis library killing two people and injuring four others was in court Tuesday as his attorney fought to have him sentenced as a juvenile.

Nathaniel Jouett, now 17 years old, pleaded guilty last month in adult court to all 30 charges related to the mass shooting, but his attorney argues automatically sentencing him as an adult is unconstitutional.

The judge hopes to have a decision within 30 days.

Right now, sentencing has is set for Feb. 11. That could change if the amenability hearing is granted.

Teen convicted of deadly Clovis library shooting in court for hearing

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nathaniel Jouett Sentenced to Life for Clovis Library Shooting