GUILTY NM - Zakaria Fry, 28, & Eugene 'Carrell' Ray, 70, Albuquerque, 18 Jan 2018 *Arrest*

[InsightfulSage]

I guess I'm a bit confused on Ray's gender. He identified as male, right? So if it's them he would need to be post-op, right? I'm praying it's not them, but sadly there are still two families that will mourn.


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[Beth11311]

I guess I'm a bit confused on Ray's gender. He identified as male, right? So if it's them he would need to be post-op, right? I'm praying it's not them, but sadly there are still two families that will mourn.


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The most recent article stated that they were actually two men that were found, the man who found them had assumed one was a woman but they ended up both being male...which sort of contributed to our musings that this may be Z and E.


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[LisaWL7TR]

Two unidentified bodies found in Stanley, NM:

http://krqe.com/2018/02/21/neighbors-shaken-after-two-bodies-found-in-small-new-mexico-town/

Oh No!!

 

[LisaWL7TR]

The most recent article stated that they were actually two men that were found, the man who found them had assumed one was a woman but they ended up both being male...which sort of contributed to our musings that this may be Z and E.


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Indeed and I want to think the guy they were looking for and posted on tv has left the area now.

 

[InsightfulSage]

The most recent article stated that they were actually two men that were found, the man who found them had assumed one was a woman but they ended up both being male...which sort of contributed to our musings that this may be Z and E.


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Right I understand what you are thinking. But if they are both pre-op then it couldn't be them (if I understand their status correctly) because Ray was born anatomically a woman. So he would have to had the surgery for the bodies to both be male.


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[Blef]

I guess I'm a bit confused on Ray's gender. He identified as male, right? So if it's them he would need to be post-op, right? I'm praying it's not them, but sadly there are still two families that will mourn.


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They are both trans women

 

[InsightfulSage]

They are both trans women

I guess my confusion comes from Ray going by a male name & all the FB pictures appear to be male. Is he then transgender or just a cross dresser? For the most part it is truly irrelevant beyond wanting to know the likelihood of the bodies being theirs.


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[Blef]

I guess my confusion comes from Ray going by a male name & all the FB pictures appear to be male. Is he then transgender or just a cross dresser? For the most part it is truly irrelevant beyond wanting to know the likelihood of the bodies being theirs.


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Her family have said she goes by Carrell. And they have said that she identifies as a woman (don't know about op status). Other people have already posted that.

 

[InsightfulSage]

Her family have said she goes by Carrell. And they have said that she identifies as a woman (don't know about op status). Other people have already posted that.

Thanks, I must have missed that. Then I suppose that does increase the odds that the bodies found are theirs. While I pray that it's not, there are still two lives lost that should be mourned.


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[anonypotomous]

From the article:

"Deputies say there are no missing persons cases out of Santa Fe County that match the description of these deaths."

:thinking:

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[anonypotomous]

Oh No!!

"Inside of the bag was the body of what he thinks was a young woman.

“I figured it had to be either rocks or a dog… maybe an animal. I had no idea in my mind that it would’ve*been a person*until I kneeled down and I felt her toes and I felt her fingers,” he said"

Possiby ZF .. Z may have had false nails on..

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[liltexans]

Hi everyone,

Please do not discuss comments from the victims' social media accounts or pages or videos that they may have liked or created.

If you find something on your own that you feel may be pertinent to the investigation, please call the tipline for the case or contact the police in some way to report what you found, but don't post it here as it may be sensitive to the ongoing investigation and this is a public forum.

Thank you!

 

[GraceG]

From the article:

"Deputies say there are no missing persons cases out of Santa Fe County that match the description of these deaths."

:thinking:

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Where Zakaria and her roommate vanished from was NOT Sante Fe County, so could be. I thought the unsub on the photo looked like her in male persona, but I could well be wrong. But given it's the southwest, the bodies could be tied into drug trade as well. I just hope the family finds closure.

 

[Tricia]

They have been identified.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1138956/...&utm_medium=notification&utm_campaign=1138956

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

how very very sad. If this is proven to be a hate crime, I hope special penalties apply. And I, of course, feed badly that I said I thought the surveillance photo looked like it could have been ZF. May those who knew and loved these folks find great memories to recall that give them peace.

 

[Beth11311]

how very very sad. If this is proven to be a hate crime, I hope special penalties apply. And I, of course, feed badly that I said I thought the surveillance photo looked like it could have been ZF. May those who knew and loved these folks find great memories to recall that give them peace.

Don’t feel badly! We are all just trying to help. Wow...I thought it would be them but I was hoping I was wrong...the man who discovered them thinking one was a female though all just lined up too closely. I definitely believe that this will be related to drugs, in some form or another, IMO. Poor Z and E...what a terrible tragedy. I hope that the person/people responsible are caught quickly and brought to justice.


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[cvaldez1975]

I am unsure its a hate crime. I think that it was someone shady that Z met and either brought to the home or he came there. BUT it could have been...

how very very sad. If this is proven to be a hate crime, I hope special penalties apply. And I, of course, feed badly that I said I thought the surveillance photo looked like it could have been ZF. May those who knew and loved these folks find great memories to recall that give them peace.

 

[cvaldez1975]

They have been identified.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1138956/...&utm_medium=notification&utm_campaign=1138956

they say they aren't sure how they died, but if I recall a family member said the house was a mess with blood everywhere in a link on the first page. I believe it was a trans network media page. so sad their families having to see that.

 

[LadyL]

I want to know what the POI bought at several stores (camping/wilderness survival gear? wigs/hair dye/clothing/hats/glasses to change appearance?). He could be dressing/presenting as a woman now. He could have left the country by now. I also want to know if he used the victimès debit or credit cards.

 

[PetDetective]

Zakaria was also escorting at some point fairly recently. There are a few scenarios I believe are possible, all of which start with Zakaria somehow.


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