NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

[BJsleuth]

I think the difference between a hand with no skin and a missing hand is quite dramatic.Degloving is a natural process of decomposition (hand still visible and intact) apart from skin and nails. A detached had is definitely not natural at this stage decomposition. Animal interference is of course another aspect.I think a lot of rumors start with vivid imaginations IMO

Very true Mothergoose.

 

[CJ60]

I thought that was the case CC ...thanks. If the man has the slightest shred of conscience or decency I would think he would plead guilty before the committal hearing. I don't believe NBC was allegedly a willing participant.GBC
should fess up and spare further grief to everyone allegedly sucked in by him in this horrendous crime. IMO :maddening:

Mothergoose.. I know we don't always see eye to eye, but before you think 'crap, CJ again..'

I couldn't agree, agree agree with you more...

 

[Spotted Reptile]

Off topic, we're not far off leaving our gorgeous tropical treehouse and moving to a rainforest area, east of Melbourne!!!

Wow, that's the opposite of what most Victorians do! Welcome to the dark side, Sleuthilicious . . . . :seeya:

 

[Trooper]

:waitasec:Would I be right in assuming that if he pleads guilty ,that evidence gathered against him would thereby NOT BE PRESENTED .Making the importance of the face call between GBC and NBC not relevant, thereby releasing NBC from any suspicion in the case ? :waitasec:

bit late with input.. apologies.

If the defendant pleads guilty, the trial moves to its sentencing stage.

The judge then decides the sentence..

to justify the sentence, which the judge must do, even if its mandatory sentence for that particular crime, the judge reads out the body of the crime.

This includes, the police officers report, the timeline in its entirety of the crime, the particulars of it, the people involved in it, and the measure of their involvement, the statements if any of the defendant, the medical officers report, the coroners report, the admission of guilt by the defendant, and how that matches the charges laid against him. Then the victims statements. The sentence will be stated, and any discounts for pleading guilty will be deducted from the overall amount.

if he pleads not guilty, and is subsequently found to be guilty. for starters, no discount.. then all of the above, with the inclusion of witness statements, and which witness statement carries the most weight, and which dont, the judge is not averse to calling someone a brass faced liar, the weighing up of which witnesses the jury discarded, and which they didnt, and then the overall total of weighted evidence.. then the sentencing, and usually, but not always, a bit of the judges input from his/her point of view.

All this is avaliable to every citizen of AU.. it is not private.. Crime is public, Law is public, this is what you pay for. You can access the entire sentencing on the web with no charge.

A transcript of the trial does cost money. Quite a lot, sometimes.. it takes a bit longer to get, as it is checked thoroughly for errors, notarised as a true and authorised transcript, etc.. long post, a bugger to read. but thats how it is sometimes.

 

[BJsleuth]

I wonder whether this means that Allison was leaving him....as in already told him, "That's it Gerard" and he had to do the AWFUL deed that night (like someone said earlier in the piece, it was intended to be done a month later, but had to be bought forward).

To me it seems that Olivia may have been at the cross country to support Gerard, incase he saw Allison and a blow up ensued. Instead Alison stayed away and came at the end to pick them up.

I was thinking along the same lines, particularly if GBC had told ABC that MT would be at the conference as it's been alleged MT asked him to. Wouldn't ABC have thought that odd that he was still in touch with MT if she believed the affair had ended in 2011?

 

[Timmy]

Channel 10 news update- Fresh line of inquiry in Baden-Clay case.

 

[Trooper]

any appeals at a later stage the convicted person may make, and this is usual, to be prepared for, are also public. that is, you can access the information in regard to what grounds, or new evidence , whatever, the prisoner may make, and when it comes before the court, the conclusions of the judge, and/or judges are public viewing.

At an Appeal.. the crime itself is outlined all over again, and the grounds for an Appeal are adjudicated, ..... a lot of Appeals rest mostly on where the judge erred in summing up the evidence, or instructions to the jurors.. this is common, but it is uncommon for it to be found as new grounds for a new trial.. new evidence, as such, is often found as grounds for a new trial. I am not speaking of swift and speedy stuff here.. I am talking years.

 

[Seeking]

Channel 10 news update- Fresh line of inquiry in Baden-Clay case.

Timmy or someone, when the update comes through can you please tell us what it contains or send us a link. As I don't live in QLD I rely on Websleuths links for updates. We get some news down about it but not all. Thanks.

 

[CaseClosed]

She/He is still twittering most every day proclaiming Innocence until proven otherwise. She/He posts comments on the Facebook page too. May be one of the only people in Brisbane doing so.

:floorlaugh:

 

[Timmy]

Timmy or someone, when the update comes through can you please tell us what it contains or send us a link. As I don't live in QLD I rely on Websleuths links for updates. We get some news down about it but not all. Thanks.

Yep. Am assuming it will be on 5 o'clock news.

 

[Trooper]

what I was saying in the long version is that.. ( short version) . whatever happened to Allison, in the event that Gerard is tried, and convicted will be public knowledge. right down to what she ate for dinner that night, the months leading up to her death and the interval between her death and a person being charged with her murder.

Every single thing.

 

[Curiousasacat]

The latest from Mr. Tully.
He has added the news articles.
http://paulgtully.blogspot.com.au/

 

[Rational]

I think in one of the news reports (possibly one of the ones where he didn't get bail) i seen something mentioned about if this goes to trial Does anyone know what happens if it doesn't go to trial?? I'm trying to find the link but not having much success

Sorry to say Angel but it will go to trial. A committal hearing is just so the defence and prosecution can outline their respective cases to the judge and say how much time they will need to prepare. The judge will than look in his diary (or rather his assistant will) and set aside 2 or 3 or more weeks depending on how much evidence either side has. This is no longer about if it will go to trial or not. I saw the post you mentioned but it was incorrect. He will be inside in the big house until his trial. He can attend the committal hearing, so he can instruct his LE. His trial will be in 2-3 years time.

 

[willough]

I was thinking along the same lines, particularly if GBC had told ABC that MT would be at the conference as it's been alleged MT asked him to. Wouldn't ABC have thought that odd that he was still in touch with MT if she believed the affair had ended in 2011?

Yep, thanks BJ...It seems things were barreling down at a massive speed since he possibly told her......and had he not done this now, there may not be a chance again. The next day it seemed that Allison was going to be bringing items to Kerry-Anne's. It's always been open to conjecture what was being bought there.....Items for the girls, items for her.....Items for both her and the girls?

He was losing his opportunities of being around her, alone. It had to be done and it had to be done then. She wasnt taking his crap anymore and moving on. One flaw for her, dear love....Was that "He couldn't afford to divorce her"

JMO

 

[BreakingNews]

Timmy or someone, when the update comes through can you please tell us what it contains or send us a link. As I don't live in QLD I rely on Websleuths links for updates. We get some news down about it but not all. Thanks.

Update probably on 5pm Channel 10 news. Or Channel 9 at 4.30pm. I'll watch and let you know.

 

[CaseClosed]

Timmy or someone, when the update comes through can you please tell us what it contains or send us a link. As I don't live in QLD I rely on Websleuths links for updates. We get some news down about it but not all. Thanks.

I will watch the 4:30 pm short Nine News and see if anything is said and report back.

 

[Mothergoose]

bit late with input.. apologies.

If the defendant pleads guilty, the trial moves to its sentencing stage.

The judge then decides the sentence..

to justify the sentence, which the judge must do, even if its mandatory sentence for that particular crime, the judge reads out the body of the crime.

This includes, the police officers report, the timeline in its entirety of the crime, the particulars of it, the people involved in it, and the measure of their involvement, the statements if any of the defendant, the medical officers report, the coroners report, the admission of guilt by the defendant, and how that matches the charges laid against him. Then the victims statements. The sentence will be stated, and any discounts for pleading guilty will be deducted from the overall amount.

if he pleads not guilty, and is subsequently found to be guilty. for starters, no discount.. then all of the above, with the inclusion of witness statements, and which witness statement carries the most weight, and which dont, the judge is not averse to calling someone a brass faced liar, the weighing up of which witnesses the jury discarded, and which they didnt, and then the overall total of weighted evidence.. then the sentencing, and usually, but not always, a bit of the judges input from his/her point of view.

All this is avaliable to every citizen of AU.. it is not private.. Crime is public, Law is public, this is what you pay for. You can access the entire sentencing on the web with no charge.

A transcript of the trial does cost money. Quite a lot, sometimes.. it takes a bit longer to get, as it is checked thoroughly for errors, notarised as a true and authorised transcript, etc.. long post, a bugger to read. but thats how it is sometimes.

Very informative......thank you Trooper :rocker:

 

[Greg]

This has bugged me since I saw OW say she spoke to Allison the night before she went missing which I presumed to be the Wednesday night..then I know it could be rumour but I believed the poster at the time that OW was at the cross country that Thursday. Why didn't she say she had seen Allison the day she went missing, I'm under the impression that Allison also attended the cross country. Just something not right.

If OW was in Brisbane where would she have been staying??

WHO stayed with the girls while GBC was apparently at Kholo Creek. I can not imagine that they were left alone and I read not sure if true that OW took girls to school that Friday morning... Arghhh



All IMO

Dont get me started!!!!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[willough]

Please do CC (anyone), if you can......The case still props up on the news sometimes, but not always now, down here in Melbourne.....Thanxabunch xx

 

[CaseClosed]

Sorry to say Angel but it will go to trial. A committal hearing is just so the defence and prosecution can outline their respective cases to the judge and say how much time they will need to prepare. The judge will than look in his diary (or rather his assistant will) and set aside 2 or 3 or more weeks depending on how much evidence either side has. This is no longer about if it will go to trial or not. I saw the post you mentioned but it was incorrect. He will be inside in the big house until his trial. He can attend the committal hearing, so he can instruct his LE. His trial will be in 2-3 years time.

... unless he pleads guilty, then only a sentencing hearing and no trial.