NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

[Greg]

I have also wondered if TM was at the funeral? I'm sure this has been discussed and I can't recall, I'm sorry. Greg could probably answer this from memory?

I did look for her but couldn't see her, so many faces in the crowd.

 

[Trooper]

surely to god she wouldnt go to the funeral!!..


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[Greg]

So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.



And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.

Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.


So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?

If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.

This is exactly what I think aswell liadan thanks

 

[angel1]

Channel 10 news update- Fresh line of inquiry in Baden-Clay case.

It will be interesting to see what it's about.

 

[willough]

I did look for her but couldn't see her, so many faces in the crowd.

I find funerals so surreal. Looking at peoples faces, their emotions make them seem so magnified. Like it etches in you. It would have been so hard to know who to look for. Seeing different key players.....The perp, the victims, the BCs, the friends......I dont even think i'd know where to look.

I think i'd find it hard not to stare, then i'd realize i'm staring and would try to look away.....a funeral like this, shocking.

Some have said, that some people that went to the funeral were kind of rubber neckers, I guess. To me, it takes a strong person to go to such a funeral and take in such raw emotion. Even of those one doesn't know....disconcerting in the least.

 

[EllaN]

A lot of people on here have been wondering why GBC's facebook friends haven't "unfriended " him. I think a LOT of these people are real estate agents or work in the industry. I also believe that some of these people are from SA. I know one of GBC's facebook friends and this person is from SA. Maybe they want to support him because they are from the same country and have similar backgrounds, which is fair enough.

 

[willough]

surely to god she wouldnt go to the funeral!!..


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The mind boggles doesnt. Surely she wouldnt even in the least be welcome there.

 

[willough]

A lot of people on here have been wondering why GBC's facebook friends haven't "unfriended " him. I think a LOT of these people are real estate agents or work in the industry. I also believe that some of these people are from SA. I know one of GBC's facebook friends and this person is from SA. Maybe they want to support him because they are from the same country and have similar backgrounds, which is fair enough I suppose.

I believe many are most curious about the happenings, that they dont want to unfriend him, just in case he farts on facebook......and they saw him do it.

 

[Karo]

I don't believe his sister knew anything, she looked far too shocked following the bail hearing and has said nothing since, maybe she has gone home? Locals have also said on here? that she was at the cross country I believe, the day before.

 

[EllaN]

I believe many are most curious about the happenings, that they dont want to unfriend him, just in case he farts on facebook......and they saw him do it.

Yeah I know LOL:floorlaugh:

 

[Aussie_expat.sg]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liadan
So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.



And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.

Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.


So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?

If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.

Gee now here's an interesting new line of thought......... :what:

And did she fly down or drive down? and if she drove down, what model car does she drive? Is it blue?

 

[Liadan]

Oh Greg leave me alone!

 

[CaseClosed]

Channel 9 News - nothing so far about this case.

 

[RumourSquasher]

Just reposting something I posted a long time ago.
To me this seems like bad blood with perhaps an ex business partner?

The business partner now works for a competing real estate agency.


"In reality, however, such pressure has the opposite effect on some agents, reducing them to tactics and behaviour that compromise not only their own integrity but the integrity of the industry as a whole. If their behaviour didn’t affect me and the community in which I live and work, then I would have nothing to say about this. But it does directly affect me and it directly affects you. No names or pack drills here – I seek not to expose the offender but the practice, the practice being to erect For Sale signs on properties prior to any contract being signed. It is first and foremost illegal. It is secondly unethical. And it is finally reprehensible." Article continues......


http://liveweb.archive.org/http://ex...t-cricket.html

The link above didn't work for me try this one http://expertrealestate.blogspot.com.au/2008/02/its-just-not-cricket.html

That was written in Feb 2008 before he had business partners and referred to another local agency whose Principal was known for putting for sale signs on properties that he did not have a signed authority to sell.

Interestingly the blogs did not seem to continue past the end of 2008 - IMO possibly due to the affair with TM which I believe started during 2008. (IMO the affair was possibly the start of him losing the plot business wise)

 

[BrissyLass]

I am so hoping that Mr. Danny Boyle is a total ace prosecutor. And it is interesting that Davis didn't get his supression wish for their case. I am wondering what information the prosecution will present and how they will run their case. I wonder if the defense guys are trying to get GBC to plead guilty??????

I was just doing some detective work about the names on the list that was published from the other site. And noticed that the respondents were previous and perhaps work colleagues that would have probably had to give character representations for GBC - from memory I think you need to get people to write a spiel about how long you have known them and that they are good person etc.

These are listed below from what I can come up friends of GBC from FB and also old colleagues from the real estate cliche. The one in green I couldn't find any info on. The blue ones are respondents and would anyone have any idea what they would be responding to? (Maybe I have go this the wrong way round the respondent and applicant thing.)

8 21/06/2012 Affidavit PA NEGEREVICH Respondent
9 21/06/2012 Affidavit PJ RODDICK Respondent
10 21/06/2012 Affidavit PB CRANNA Applicant
11 21/06/2012 Affidavit TE CRANNA Applicant
12 21/06/2012 Affidavit IL THOMAS Applicant
13 21/06/2012 Affidavit P NEGEREVICH Respondent

I'm not sure 100% who the people are, but..the Applicant in the case is GBC.....as he is the one (filed on his behalf by his legal representatives) who has applied for a bail hearing...therefore he is Applicant in the proceedings.

The Respondent is the Crown/DPP (the prosecution). They are Responding with their reasons as to why the application for bail should be denied.

So any Affidavits marked Respondent are Affidavits filed on behalf of the prosecution and I'm guessing they would be Affidavits filed by investigating police?

The Affidavits maked the Applicant (Cranna PB, Cranna TE and Thomas) woud be Affidavits sworn by friends/associates of GBC....Affidavits in his favour I would guess...


If I have any of this up the creek, feel free to correct me....I think I have my respondents and applicants around the right way?? lol

 

[Karo]

A lot of people on here have been wondering why GBC's facebook friends haven't "unfriended " him. I think a LOT of these people are real estate agents or work in the industry. I also believe that some of these people are from SA. I know one of GBC's facebook friends and this person is from SA. Maybe they want to support him because they are from the same country and have similar backgrounds, which is fair enough.

Maybe they are waiting to see if he is found guilty first, some people will still be thinking it is possible he is not guilty, I know the circumstantial evidence is over whelming but there is that small chance still, until there comes a positive detail.

 

[Liadan]

not what did she drive - but what was she doing for goodness sake..... it has only just come to light she spent the day in Bris. Forget the car colour but seriously where did she stay -

 

[willough]

Yeah I know LOL:floorlaugh:

Facebook has that affect on one I think. Im a massive Mark Webber fan.....and a couple of years ago, there was so much crap going on at his team.....I kept on wanting to unlike the page......but the gossip was so good and the arguing so intense, that I just couldn't bring myself to leave the page. :floorlaugh:

This is a more nasty, real version of that I guess...

 

[Isabellnecessary]

One flaw for her, dear love....Was that "He couldn't afford to divorce her"

JMO

I truly don't understand this. The way it works here is that a divorce is a no fault, 50 50 split of all the assets they have as a married couple.

It wasn't that he couldn't afford to divorce her, but that he didn't want to end up financially bereft. This is surely the most important factor. If they'd divorced, they'd both be really financially screwed .. esp considering his massive debts. There would have been minus amounts in the pot to split between the two of them. She would have nothing, he would have nothing, they'd prob both have to go bankrupt, and he would prob have had to pay child support IF he was earning more than she was.... but then on the other hand, perhaps even he wouldn't have to pay CS if he was on a very low income.
If he'd gone bankrupt, he wouldn't have had to pay any of it back because he has dependents.

Killing her and getting the money really was for him the better option ... he thought.

My ex got us into a lot of debt. It's interesting to see how narcissistic people do this and it's about maintaining the 'story' they've built for themselves. His story is being rich and successful, having a trophy wife and small children...
And then suddenly the debt starts to hit the fan and he's in trouble, so he has to sacrifice something in order to continue to maintain his 'story'. His wife is the one to go because if she is dead, he can continue to be wealthy and successful.
Any narcissism test or indeed psychopathy test (lots on the web if you care to look) show lack of empathy and guilt as one of the fundamental cores of the disorder...

He totally could have afforded to divorce her... and she could have afforded to divorce him.

He just chose to kill her instead because that was the 'better option'.

 

[willough]

I truly don't understand this. The way it works here is that a divorce is a no fault, 50 50 split of all the assets they have as a married couple.

It wasn't that he couldn't afford to divorce her, but that he didn't want to end up financially bereft. This is surely the most important factor. If they'd divorced, they'd both be really financially screwed .. esp considering his massive debts. There would have been minus amounts in the pot to split between the two of them. She would have nothing, he would have nothing, they'd prob both have to go bankrupt, and he would prob have had to pay child support IF he was earning more than she was.... but then on the other hand, perhaps even he wouldn't have to pay CS if he was on a very low income.
If he'd gone bankrupt, he wouldn't have had to pay any of it back because he has dependents.

Killing her and getting the money really was for him the better option ... he thought.

My ex got us into a lot of debt. It's interesting to see how narcissistic people do this and it's about maintaining the 'story' they've built for themselves. His story is being rich and successful, having a trophy wife and small children...
And then suddenly the debt starts to hit the fan and he's in trouble, so he has to sacrifice something in order to continue to maintain his 'story'. His wife is the one to go because if she is dead, he can continue to be wealthy and successful.
Any narcissism test or indeed psychopathy test (lots on the web if you care to look) show lack of empathy and guilt as one of the fundamental cores of the disorder...

He totally could have afforded to divorce her... and she could have afforded to divorce him.

He just chose to kill her instead because that was the 'better option'.

He wrote in an email to TM that he could not afford to divorce Allison, but that he would ensure he and her are over by 1st July. I am just going off his words.

I agree, he just chose to kill her.....if one has nothing in the relationship, then one leaves with nothing.