NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#30

[me 2]

:rolling:

I just laughed so hard I think I pee'd myself a little bit!!

I hear Tenna is good......:floorlaugh:

 

[Bayside]

Oh I agree re the "everyone acts differently"...normal human beings act one way...killers act differently to that.

Lolol. Good one.


...and some people dont need to act at all.

(gerard could do with some acting classes mind you)

 

[KG1]

Sica said, "I didn't kill noone and the qld justice system is corrupt okay?" haha i amsure all convicted felons will think that. An dthe double negative means he is admitting to the killing imo.

glad to see that justice has prevailed in this cas, he's hoping to a similar outcome with GBC, and they have more evidence against him than they did against Sica.......

"It was important that we were satisfied that the evidence was strong and capable of withholding the scrutiny of the Supreme Court of Queensland," he said.

There was no single point of evidence that proved the key, but rather a combination of evidence, he added.

The above is a quote from Assistant Commissioner Mike Condon of the State Crime Operations Branch of QPS after the verdict in the Max Sica case today.

BBM

 

[Woombite]

Is it then possible that the Pty Ltd company was trading whilst insolvent? If so ASIC would be interested? Further, you would know that directors of companies are personally liable for unpaid employee withholding tax (director fees, payments or any drawings by a director from the company come under that also), and unpaid Superannuation Guarantee Contributions (SGC) and directors can and will be prosecuted by the ATO for same. There may be a lot of debt there also, and the penalties by the ATO are huge.

Based on the reported MSM financial info (did it originate from GBC's own affidavit material?), it would appear that this could easily have been the case. LJ appeared to skip over my reference to trading while insolvent but latched on to a comment I made re Lexus and Captiva leasing. I am waiting on the REIQ audit to happen - if I was an owner, i would be closely checking my rental statements.

 

[me 2]

Hello and welcome.

 

[Bayside]

Your spouse or partner is found murdered..in the mud under a bridge. To then be contacting insurance companies on that very day is so far outside the realms of normal human behaviour is, in my opinion, absolutely macabre

I agree but even if Gerard didnt kill his wife (as if) remember he didnt love her and was in "severe financial mess" so I think he still would have worried about the money first.

 

[Timmy]

Hi Bayside-weren't you working on a new tag line? I've been looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

 

[Bayside]

Hi Bayside-weren't you working on a new tag line? I've been looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

Hey I am waiting to be inspired lol.

 

[Timmy]

Hey I am waiting to be inspired lol.

Perhaps July 9 will bring some inspiration!

 

[Woof]

Now this is an interesting piece of info following upon RATIONAL's post. According to MSM and posts on these Threads, this person and her husband are alleged to have put up $50,000 Surety for Bail purposes for the alleged murderer. I have wondered what role the brother has played and/or is playing in this scenario as he is part of the B C family.

And she is friends with IW and OW.

 

[possumheart]

Full moon, beware.

 

[KG1]

Actually, Ltd that's not entirely true. There is separation afforded to Company Directors in a Proprietary Limited Company, BUT the Separation Rule can be voided in certain situations depending on events and behaviour.

The company must pay its own debts, however there are instances where the protection and separation the Pty Ltd provides may be lost and this in turn would expose the directors personal finances. These include;

1) Insolvent Trading - Section 60- Anyone who instructs or directs Directors may be deemed to be a director themselves and could also be personally liable for debts incurred by the company if it trades while insolvent.

2) Personal Guarantees - Security taken after a company is insolvent may be invalid, unless new monies are advanced.

3) Director Penalty Notices - Section 222 Of the Income Tax Assessment Act- A director may be held personally liable for unpaid taxes.

In any of theses cases the debt becomes personal debt of the director.

Superannuation Guarantee Contributions (SCG) also now come under DPNs with new recent legistlation - directors personally liable for employees' unpaid super.

 

[Bayside]

Perhaps July 9 will bring some inspiration!

Lol good point.

 

[Thebuttlerdidntdoit]

I come onto WS to commune with posters who side with Allison and not her alleged murderer. The suggestion he didnt kill her because Allison killed herself is daft, frankly - and for a multitude of reasons. As is the suggestion that someone else had the motive, means and opportunity to the degree that GBC evidently had.

GBC has the right to defense in a court of law, but his lawyer better come up with a alternative scenario to Allison's death, and not just try to say there's no proof that places him outside the house, that he was really only a little bit broke and not in dire straits, etc.

 

[me 2]

Originally Posted by LightningJack View Post
Thats a better point than you possibly realise.

So the evidence is, from that, that GBC's financial position was not as "dire" as the police made out. Thank you.

Fact is that we do not know his true financial position, or that of the business (why does everybody forget that we have a Pty Ltd company here???) but rather only the QPS bleat that he was in "dire financial strife", with figures that have clearly been padded to make them look as bad as possible.

Let me tell you something about the police. They can look at you, or you, or you or YOU and make you look bad. They are very good at that, believe me.




Well thats something,
QPOL and others only see whats already there.

In time we will see tho.

 

[Seeking]

After reading many posts by Lightning Jack, I would like to make some comment on GBC's capacity to successfully conduct himself in business and finance management (both cashflow and assets).

The CV tendered to the court stated that GBC received a TE score of 900. A ranking you get when you matriculated/graduated from high school (Year 12 in Qld). For those "not in the know", the TE score pre-dated the OP score here in Queensland. The highest TE score was 995 and it incremented downwards in points of 5. You pretty much needed a TE score of 995 or at least 990 to get into study medicine. 980 ish upwards would get you into law. The point I am making here is that a TE score of 900 is pretty low down the food chain in the way of academic merit. I could believe someone with that score might be able to do an accounting degree but I would be absolutely astonished to hear of anyone with a score that low having the capacity to go on to get e.g. CPA.

I have commented earlier that the Brookfield Road home had been rented for six years. I accept that many choose the path not to enter home buying, but that seems completely out of character for anyone who works in the industry. So ... that tells me that there was not the means to purchase a property. Perhaps even prior to renting this property, there had been a forced sale of property/assets.

The logical extension of that (IMO) is that this family had escalating debts which had accumulated over many years and perhaps reached their heights, particularly after a large post-flood (2011) market downslide. To me that makes $1M in debt a biggie.

Lightning Jack is very dismissive of scale or severity of the GBC debts that have been put out in the media. My thinking is that this is completely off base. We are talking about someone who not so long ago drove around in a Lexus (all FLASH, no CASH). Indeed any accountant I would engage would tell you quick smart that a motor vehicle is one of the fast depreciating assets you can own.

Did GBC have any business savvy? (IMO) Definitely not.
Was it likely he found himself in a DIRE financial position? (IMO) Definiately so.

Couchcop, I disagree with some of your info about the TE Score. I finished year 12 at the same time as GBC and got a TE score. The highest score was 990 representing the top 1% of students in that year (based on the number of people on QLD who turned 17 in that year.....17 being the age of most year 12's in QLD at that time). A score of 985 was given to the next best 0.5% of the students and so 980 was the next 0.5% of the population meaning that if you got a score of 980 you were in the top 2% of the state. A score of 900 (GBC's) score represents a student being in the top 10% of the state. Whilst that is not an elite score it is not low. It is a great achievement and would have got him into many courses. Obviously it would not have enabled him to study any of the health sciences or things like law or architecture or engineering but with that score he would have been able to study Arts or Science at The University of Queensland which is an internationally recognized university and regarded in the top group of universities in Australia. Whilst a score of 900 wouldn't have enabled him to study commerce at this university there would have been many other options throughout Brisbane and Qld for him to study commerce related degrees along with many other types of courses.

I am aware that the CPA training is rigorous (like most professional training is), but to say that a student who achieved a TE score of 900 wouldn't have the capacity to do such training is insulting to the intelligence of people who achieved that type of score. It wouldn't surprise me if there were people who achieved less scores than 900 that have worked hard and gone to achieve their CPA if they so desired.

Relating all this back to the case we are discussing. To me a TE score of 900 indicates that GBC is actually reasonably intelligent given that such a score would place him in the top 10% of students. Also, I don't think that a students score at the end of year 12 (which for GBC was 25 years ago) should have such weight in representing what they could or could not do with their life. Students who applied themselves in year 12 will have scores that represent their abilities. On the contrary, I am sure that many of us know people who didn't apply themselves at this stage of their life and so their TE score didn't represent what they actually were capable of achieving. A TE scores represented how well you did in year 12, which is the result of a myriad of factors including natural ability, and how hard you work, as well as how you were educated and your home life and maybe even other things. A TE score was used to determine who could enter which university course.....and there its useful life and relevance to life in my humble opinion ended.

In writing this I am in no way defending or accusing GBC of this horrid crime. I am just clarifying some information which was posted that I didn't believe was correct.

All of this is just my humble opinion as we wait for justice to unfold for Allison.

 

[Woof]

How do you know she didn't suicide?

Because the police revealed it as 'murder'. That's why.

 

[Timmy]

Couchcop, I disagree with some of your info about the TE Score. I finished year 12 at the same time as GBC and got a TE score. The highest score was 990 representing the top 1% of students in that year (based on the number of people on QLD who turned 17 in that year.....17 being the age of most year 12's in QLD at that time). A score of 985 was given to the next best 0.5% of the students and so 980 was the next 0.5% of the population meaning that if you got a score of 980 you were in the top 2% of the state. A score of 900 (GBC's) score represents a student being in the top 10% of the state. Whilst that is not an elite score it is not low. It is a great achievement and would have got him into many courses. Obviously it would not have enabled him to study any of the health sciences or things like law or architecture or engineering but with that score he would have been able to study Arts or Science at The University of Queensland which is an internationally recognized university and regarded in the top group of universities in Australia. Whilst a score of 900 wouldn't have enabled him to study commerce at this university there would have been many other options throughout Brisbane and Qld for him to study commerce related degrees along with many other types of courses.

I am aware that the CPA training is rigorous (like most professional training is), but to say that a student who achieved a TE score of 900 wouldn't have the capacity to do such training is insulting to the intelligence of people who achieved that type of score. It wouldn't surprise me if there were people who achieved less scores than 900 that have worked hard and gone to achieve their CPA if they so desired.

Relating all this back to the case we are discussing. To me a TE score of 900 indicates that GBC is actually reasonably intelligent given that such a score would place him in the top 10% of students. Also, I don't think that a students score at the end of year 12 (which for GBC was 25 years ago) should have such weight in representing what they could or could not do with their life. Students who applied themselves in year 12 will have scores that represent their abilities. On the contrary, I am sure that many of us know people who didn't apply themselves at this stage of their life and so their TE score didn't represent what they actually were capable of achieving. A TE scores represented how well you did in year 12, which is the result of a myriad of factors including natural ability, and how hard you work, as well as how you were educated and your home life and maybe even other things. A TE score was used to determine who could enter which university course.....and there its useful life and relevance to life in my humble opinion ended.

In writing this I am in no way defending or accusing GBC of this horrid crime. I am just clarifying some information which was posted that I didn't believe was correct.

All of this is just my humble opinion as we wait for justice to unfold for Allison.

Thank goodness! I was getting paranoid about my own TE score!

 

[Bayside]

I come onto WS to commune with posters who side with Allison and not her alleged murderer. The suggestion he didnt kill her because Allison killed herself is daft, frankly - and for a multitude of reasons. As is the suggestion that someone else had the motive, means and opportunity to the degree that GBC evidently had.

GBC has the right to defense in a court of law, but his lawyer better come up with a alternative scenario to Allison's death, and not just try to say there's no proof that places him outside the house, that he was really only a little bit broke and not in dire straits, etc.

Lol....well said

 

[summer_breeze]

My word folks! I'm beginning to feel like a broken record. I'm all done warning you. (Kimster and Imamaze may have a different frame of mind)

I'm going back through the thread now. Posts will disappear. It's a shame that some of the posts will have to be sacrificed, as some of you made really good points but you quoted comments that were clearly violations.

ONE MORE TIME: There isn't any reason to be rude or to snipe at one another. MODS have stated all along that all opinions and thoughts are welcome, as long as they are presented respectfully and as long as your responses show the same respect in return.

Where does being rude or personally attacking people get you? Forced vacation, perhaps permanent, from WebSleuths.

Instead of contributing to any problems on the thread, please alert! Let a Moderator handle, when one is available to do so.

Don't take the bait!

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• Stop with the name calling already. You've been asked umpteen times. Just stop. IDIOT is name calling....so is STUPID in most people's books, when used as an adjective to describe a person directly. However, I'm sure all of us have done "stupid" things...