No intruder?

[joeskidbeck]

joeskidbeck,
Well if there was a second blanket, why should that call into question both Patsy Ramsey's and Tom Haney's evidence? They both state that they can see a barbie nightgown in front of their eyes. When the bloodstaines were being analysed at the lab it will have been laid out and photographed.

I could understand Tom Haney mistaking the nightgown as a barbie nightgown, but not Patsy, Tom Haney even asks is it her barbie doll's? A question that confirms its identity, and is suggestive of the line of questioning.

The barbie nightgown is no blanket it exists independently of the number of blankets found at the crime-scene. Its has been identified by the parents, BPD and a dna testing lab!


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UKGuy, I am not saying there was not a Barbie nightgown. I believe 100% that there was and that Patsy was shown a photo of it in the plastic evidence bag. I just don't believe what we are seeing in this photo is that gown. There is no Barbie on this pink thing. None at all. All Barbie gowns have some type of Barbie photo on them, but we see nothing on this one.
No, the detective did not say "pink" blanket, just 2 blankets.
Please believe that I am not questioning your theory, I agree with you. I just wish we could see the photos that Patsy was shown as I don't think this is a nightgown. I think the photo she was shown had Barbies face very clear under the plastic and that is why she had to own up to it. She knew they could prove it was JB's.

 

[joeskidbeck]

So where did it say there was a pink blanket? Did it describe the blanket at all? Was it cotton, wool, acrylic? Did it come from JBR's bed (her bedroom was mostly pink)? Was it a comforter/throw from her bed? Was there a matching one on the other bed? Did the IDI bring it or if not what was it doing with the white blanket from JBR's bed?

I also noticed this second blanket mentioned a while ago, but for some reason, the RDIs posting at the time reckoned it was a 'mistake'. Go figure!!

Murri, no the detective did not say the color of the blanket, but anyone who has eyes can see that it is pink. If this was JonBenet's "security blanket" from her early childhood, I seriously doubt there would be another on the other bed or anywhere else in the house, for that matter. We have a photo to look at. There is a large piece of pink fabric laying next to the white blanket. Why is it such a stretch to believe it is a small children's blanket?

 

[BBB167893]

I dont even understand why RDI is so adamant about no pedophilia and only 'child molestation'.

We're certainly trying to explain it.

It sure seems like a very thin and almost no line between the two.

There's actually quite a line, HOTYH. Not all pedophiles ACT on their urges. The difference between "pedophile" and "child molester" is this: one is psychological, the other is legal.

How does RDI characterize the injuries? Sexually assaulted? Molested? Accidental? What?

I guess it depends on who you ask.

This man could then go back to adult relationships. Still a pedophile because he was sexually attracted:

These people, Siracusa says, are called "regressed offenders" because they have literally regressed: They lose the social skills they need to deal with other adults, which makes children more attractive to them. Regressed offenders may "bounce back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children.

According to Holmes and Holmes (2002), these people actually fall under the category of "situational" molesters, not true pedophiles. Here:

-Situational - does not prefer children, but offend under certain conditions.
---Regressed - Typically has relationships with adults, but a stressor causes them to seek children as a substitute.
---Morally Indiscriminate - All-around sexual deviant, who may commit other sexual offenses unrelated to children.
---Naive/Inadequate - Often mentally disabled in some way, finds children less threatening.

-Preferential - has true sexual interest in children.
---Mysoped - Sadistic and violent, target strangers more often than acquaintances.
---Fixated - Little or no activity with own age, described as an "overgrown child."

Is RDI suggesting that despite internal and external sexual injuries, the unknown male DNA in her shorts, the oversize underwear (source requested), and alleged prior sexual abuse, that there was never any sexual attraction on the part of the perp? Thats just absurd.

Speaking purely for myself, it's not that so much, HOTYH. The issue is more like "what motivated the perp's attraction?" Were they a true pedophile attracted to JB because she was a little girl? Or were they a situational who used her as an outlet for their sexual frustrations? (That's assuming that Linda7NJ and Richard Krugman aren't right that it was a form of punishment for JB's poor toilet habits.)

 

[BBB167893]

Because like her life, JB's death was all about PR. And PR was all about appearances.

Wow, PrintGal, I've heard that someplace before...

 

[BBB167893]

It looks exactly like the one she had on Christmas morning.

I've been looking all over for that picture!

 

[BBB167893]

I can't keep up with everyone's different RDI theories.

Sometimes I can't either. The problem is assuming that we all just agree on one.

 

[BBB167893]

Do you mean the tabloid hired monday morning quarterback armchair experts who used fake doctored photos to second guess the coroner, pediatrician, and the FBI's CASKU? Those experts?

I can honestly say I have no idea what in God's name you're talking about!

"Tabloid-hired experts?"

"Fake, doctored photos?"

"Second guessing" people who never took a first guess?

I gotta hear this explanation!

The experts nobody quotes in the news instead they quote DNA?

The news probably would if they KNEW about it. After 14 years, I imagine a lot of them don't.

Prior abuse is ancient tabloid myth and hype.

DON'T YOU WISH!

Nobody prints that cr#% anymore.

We'll just have to change that, won't we?

All I need now is RDI's lame attempt at a 180 degree spin from FBI's stating "no sign of prior abuse" to nonsensical oxymoron 'no sign that the acute injuries are from prior abuse'.

I hardly see how it's nonsensical or spin. Read the quote in context.

Or how nobody will print anything bad about JR because they're afraid of LW.

Again, I hardly see how it's lame to say that when LW himself is PROUD of it! He BRAGS about how he's essentially hogtied and branded the media like a *ing steer!

It would be priceless if it werent so cheap.

I'll ignore that.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Murri, no the detective did not say the color of the blanket, but anyone who has eyes can see that it is pink. If this was JonBenet's "security blanket" from her early childhood, I seriously doubt there would be another on the other bed or anywhere else in the house, for that matter. We have a photo to look at. There is a large piece of pink fabric laying next to the white blanket. Why is it such a stretch to believe it is a small children's blanket?

I hate to quote myself, but does anyone remember the interrogation, excuse me, I mean the interview where the detective asks Patsy if JB had a special toy or anything that she had to have at bedtime? She replied that she only had SisterSocks the stuffed cat, but I can't help believe they were trying to get her to say something about her favorite blanket. Lot's of kids carry these blankets around for years. My eight you gs has only just now laid his down for fear his friends will find out and make fun of him. Naw, I said, they probably have one too and don't want you to know about theirs. The thing is, I know that it is too big to be clothes for a six year old and it is too small to be a full size blanket, but it is just right to be the blanket from when she was a baby, the one she held onto every night while she went to sleep. The sad part of this is there is no way to know for sure. Nobody in this family will own up to that blanket under any circumstances, whoever carried it to the basement, knew that JonBenet needed it and that does not point to an intruder.

 

[SunnieRN]

Do you mean the tabloid hired monday morning quarterback armchair experts who used fake doctored photos to second guess the coroner, pediatrician, and the FBI's CASKU? Those experts? The experts nobody quotes in the news instead they quote DNA? Prior abuse is ancient tabloid myth and hype. Nobody prints that cr#% anymore.

All I need now is RDI's lame attempt at a 180 degree spin from FBI's stating "no sign of prior abuse" to nonsensical oxymoron 'no sign that the acute injuries are from prior abuse'. Or how nobody will print anything bad about JR because they're afraid of LW. It would be priceless if it werent so cheap.

my bold

Mine isn't THAT hidden. I'm working on a middle-aged asian male socialist pedo theory. Used pageants to stalk little girls, chose JBR.

Every blue moon I learn something here I can use...

HOTYH you addressed this post to me, but I will not stoop low enough to respond to your accusations as I believe RDI.

 

[DeeDee249]

I do not think there was a pink blanket. I believe what he saw was the pink nightie. The quote said he "observed" a pink blanket (and a white one). If he didn't actually pick it up and open it to see exactly what it was, it could still have been the nightie. I don't believe he handled it, he just looked at it.

 

[MurriFlower]

I hate to quote myself, but does anyone remember the interrogation, excuse me, I mean the interview where the detective asks Patsy if JB had a special toy or anything that she had to have at bedtime? She replied that she only had SisterSocks the stuffed cat, but I can't help believe they were trying to get her to say something about her favorite blanket. Lot's of kids carry these blankets around for years. My eight you gs has only just now laid his down for fear his friends will find out and make fun of him. Naw, I said, they probably have one too and don't want you to know about theirs. The thing is, I know that it is too big to be clothes for a six year old and it is too small to be a full size blanket, but it is just right to be the blanket from when she was a baby, the one she held onto every night while she went to sleep. The sad part of this is there is no way to know for sure. Nobody in this family will own up to that blanket under any circumstances, whoever carried it to the basement, knew that JonBenet needed it and that does not point to an intruder.

Beck your ability to invent stuff never ceases to amaze me.

 

[txsvicki]

Every year around this time I think about this case, and think it was an intruder, but can't understand why no one connects anything to a Christmas/Santa connection. JonBenet told her friend's Mom that Santa was coming to see her again, and other things can point to someone coming into the home as a Santa. The red fibers found on JonBenet, the beaver fibers, the pineapple and tea set out in the kitchen, and even going down into the basement if the kids knew some toys were hidden down there. The loose cord on her hands and fibers in her bed could have been someone telling her that she was going to be leading the reindeer and she could have taken a blanket or a doll with her.

 

[UKGuy]

Every year around this time I think about this case, and think it was an intruder, but can't understand why no one connects anything to a Christmas/Santa connection. JonBenet told her friend's Mom that Santa was coming to see her again, and other things can point to someone coming into the home as a Santa. The red fibers found on JonBenet, the beaver fibers, the pineapple and tea set out in the kitchen, and even going down into the basement if the kids knew some toys were hidden down there. The loose cord on her hands and fibers in her bed could have been someone telling her that she was going to be leading the reindeer and she could have taken a blanket or a doll with her.

txsvicki,

Once upon a time there was little girl who secretly met with Santa Claus ...

Did Santa molest JonBenet?

Did Santa wear Patsy's jacket as the ligature was fashioned?

Did Santa place the size-12's upon JonBenet?

Did Santa wipe down JonBenet using John's shirt?

Did Santa fake the wine-cellar crime-scene and why?

Did Santa write the ransom note?


So after having a jolly good time Santa boarded his sleigh, and told his reindeers to take off, and away he went, till next year.

Yo Ho Ho.

 

[BBB167893]

HOTYH you addressed this post to me, but I will not stoop low enough to respond to your accusations as I believe RDI.

I wish I'd taken that route, Sunnie.

 

[BBB167893]

Beck, I certainly hope you won't take that lying down.

 

[Agatha_C]

Me tooooooo!!! Sunni, your my hero!

 

[SunnieRN]

Beck your ability to invent stuff never ceases to amaze me.

She not only didn't make anything up, she gave you links to where she got the information, which unfortunately you often do not do. If you don't like her source, attack the source, not the poster. There is a difference.

 

[BBB167893]

She not only didn't make anything up, she gave you links to where she got the information, which unfortunately you often do not do. If you don't like her source, attack the source, not the poster. There is a difference.

Sometimes, Sunnie, I wonder if some people aren't here just to make trouble.

 

[SunnieRN]

Sometimes, Sunnie, I wonder if some people aren't here just to make trouble.

Unfortunately SD, I have come to the same conclusion, with an additional question. Why? There are forums where the IDI's rule. Seems that might be a great spot to explore their theories.

 

[madeleine]

But 100% RDI or 100%IDI forums would be so BORING.Everyone agreeing,not challenging at all.Why is it that whenever someone has a different opinion he or she is "here only to start trouble"....