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  • #381
Murri, why can't Beck have her beliefs. I was told today, that I needed to understand and have more respect for fellow posters beliefs, how do those rules not apply to you. I'm trying to understand the dynamics here. Its like there are different sets of rules for different people and thats confusing.

Everyone here states their beliefs as facts or with an IMO, why do you take issue with Beck having those same rights...

I agree with her, it does not look like a little girls size 6 nightie? Every Barbie nightie I have ever seen is knee length, the longest reached the calves. So, if its not the nightie what is it? We know the white blanket was a favorite and it was with the body. So if the pink cloth is a blanket, what was the purpose of the questioning? Were we seeing the same photo? If not, then its proof of other things we don't know about. Its something to be explored and talked about.

So, is it the questions it brings or the fact that it was Beck bringing it up that bothers you?

Certainly Beck isn't the only one who does it, there are plenty of people who take something they think is correct and weave RDI theories around them. I go back to a previous post. Perhaps I'll do the same with IDI and see how that lines up with you guys.

Ok, well that pink blanket is actually a dressing gown belonging to PR that the IDI took from her bedroom while they were at the Whites. He put it on so he could think like PR. When they were all asleep, wearing the gown, he crept up stairs and woke JBR (mimicing PR's voice) and carried JBR down to the kitchen, used the flashlight so she couldn't see it wasn't her mummy, and fed her pineapple then took her down to the basement and punished her just like he thought mummy should.

Do you get it now?? I could do this all day and I'm sure it wouldn't be long before someone told me I had a 'good imagination', and then I could get offended too, because it's just my theory and everyone is entitled to their own opinions aren't they and you all should have more respect?? Yes??
 
  • #382
At this point, you just look like your here to argue. I mean, I'm trying to understand what your saying, but I've yet seen you do anything but confront people. Why don't you give me your ideas. Instead of just challenging someone else's. I at least post thoughts and theories of my own and welcome challenge and adversity without crying.

So, help me to understand your theory.... And please Murri, I've handled all the crying I can take for one day. So play nice and please explain.
 
  • #383
Certainly Beck isn't the only one who does it, there are plenty of people who take something they think is correct and weave RDI theories around them. I go back to a previous post. Perhaps I'll do the same with IDI and see how that lines up with you guys.

Ok, well that pink blanket is actually a dressing gown belonging to PR that the IDI took from her bedroom while they were at the Whites. He put it on so he could think like PR. When they were all asleep, wearing the gown, he crept up stairs and woke JBR (mimicing PR's voice) and carried JBR down to the kitchen, used the flashlight so she couldn't see it wasn't her mummy, and fed her pineapple then took her down to the basement and punished her just like he thought mummy should.

Do you get it now?? I could do this all day and I'm sure it wouldn't be long before someone told me I had a 'good imagination', and then I could get offended too, because it's just my theory and everyone is entitled to their own opinions aren't they and you all should have more respect?? Yes??

And thats exactly why I tried to simplify things. The crime can be reduced to a sexual assault only, because thats the basest and most depraved. IOW its the crime that has the most compulsion associated with it. Its likely to have been the motive.

Then ask yourself who sexually assaults little girls? Usually its pedophiles.

I read that pedophiles are known to frequent gatherings that attract children, and it seems to me that the pageants are just that.

Pedophile-->pageant-->JBR-->JBR's house

It couldve been someone besides JBR, but her house might have been preferred over someone elses due to lack of security.
 
  • #384
That describes a major problem with IDI in general, as I see it. (And I should know!)


How???? How should "YOU KNOW" better than anyone else here? Details, please. I have always been under the assumption that ANYONE of us here only "KNOWS" based on what has been written/posted on this, and numerous other, websites.....including you.

Please enlighten me on just how YOU should KNOW better than anyone else here.
 
  • #385
You know there was a poster long time ago who came and said that PR was a psycho bi#$%.I was ASHAMED to be part of RDI.I am also disappointed to be in the camp who has nothing to say except bwahahaha and lol when someone disagrees.I am not perfect,no way, but I am NOT a hypocrite nor was I ever rude by INTENT.

Maddy, Im not attacking, I'm defending.. You don't know me personally so you have no idea if I was being a hypocrite or intentionally rude. I have a sharp sense of humor that not everyone understands and I dont have to change it, because Maddy doesn't like it. You can ignore me.

I am only rude to those that hurt me or offend me, as you yourself were today and for the same reasons.

One last thing if I seem hard on HOTYH, its because his misuse of statistics, his misrepresentation of child issues, is a dangerous thing and to someone like me its disturbing. Until you are handed a child in pieces and asked to put them back together, you can never understand the anger or frustration this sort of thing creates. But then people like you don't have to face things like that, only here on a safe forum while people like I, are actually in the trenches with the victims, of that kind of ignorance. I will never respect the views of someone that flippantly disregards facts that effect millions of children. I won't be sorry about how I confront that individual.

I am sorry if you find me harsh but give me the same respect your asking for and allow me to have an opinion on something that does indeed effect me and those I care about. Know me before you call me Hypocrite and rude. Posters that come to this forum should understand that, or they have no business being here. There is no softness when it comes to opinions that harm others that are defenseless and if this forum is about that then you stay and I'll go, because I have better things to do, like fight that ignorance.

I have no issue with you and I have never been rude to you and today, you attacked me because you didn't like what I had to say, who is being hypocritical? :truce:
 
  • #386
At this point, you just look like your here to argue. I mean, I'm trying to understand what your saying, but I've yet seen you do anything but confront people. Why don't you give me your ideas. Instead of just challenging someone else's. I at least post thoughts and theories of my own and welcome challenge and adversity without crying.

So, help me to understand your theory.... And please Murri, I've handled all the crying I can take for one day. So play nice and please explain.

Hmm, well, I'm still developing the "who done it" theory, what I'm trying to do is get enough information and evidence (talking photos, interviews, etc) to help in this endeavour.

Now, all the interviews and depositions that were available have disappeared. They were there when I first came and were a wonderful source of information and I thought they would be there forever. So when someone asks me to source something, I'm at a loss, unless I can find it in a previous post. Frankly I don't have the time (and everyone feels the same) to continually post the same things when new people come on and it's a nuisance for me and for others, because we want to verify it and read it for ourselves, not rely on someone else's interpretation. Take the Autopsy report for example. Some people read "prior sexual abuse" into that, and suppose that she was the subject of incest by her father/brother/grandfather or anyone else that takes their fancy.

So I hate getting sidetracked in all this peripheral stuff, related to RDI, like the dolls, the security blanket, the prior abuse etc, etc, because it just muddy's the waters and makes it harder to get at the real facts. All this constant conjecture is rarely helpful and frankly frequently annoying. Occasionally someone will (I think accidentally) post something that helps me, so that's what keeps me here, not because I like to waste time arguing the toss with you guys.

If it's a theory you are looking for, then I cannot be specific. However, in general terms, I think the IDI was probably known by the Rs, but this could have been anyone from a friend/neighbour to someone who brought pizza. I'm pretty sure he didn't come in the basement window, and sort of sure he didn't have to use a key (therefore by necessity be a trusted friend), but believe it's possible the door off the balcony of JBR's room was not locked or not securely locked and he entered there after seeing them drive away. I'm fairly sure it wasn't a random act, that is he wasn't just walking by and had the idea, but had planned it for a while and was hanging about looking for an opportunity. I think it's possible the idea was to take JBR and perhaps drug her (pineapple with GHB?) tie and gag her, wrap her in the blanket and put her in the crawl space under the house. Now, why the RN was so long makes me think he really wanted to scare them into just getting the money and doing what they were told and it would be over quickly. The $118,000 was a strange amount, but deliberately small (perhaps he saw the payslip in the house) so it could be obtained easily/quickly. He wanted it put first in an attache then in a paper bag (not paper sack - isn't that the term normally used in USA?). So there would be a drop off of the money somewhere (where a paper bag wouldn't be noticed - Maccers?) and once that was done, he would just phone them and let them know where she was (under the house). I think he planned it because he just wanted some quick cash but without the risk of a 'kidnapping' charge if caught. It would only have been 'extortion' or similar. This also leads me to believe he may have had a drug habit (the quick cash and $118k would buy an awful lot of crack) and had also spent some time in jail (so didn't want to do a stretch for kidnapping). And then there's the possibility of there being more than one IDI.

However, as I think we've all noticed, it didn't quite go to plan.

That's all in the next instalment.
 
  • #387
Thank you for taking the time to share that. I don't agree...lol... But thank you.
 
  • #388
  • #389
Sorry Hat, I'm on my iPad so I have to post above your quote. Are you saying here that you now agree with the coroner's sexual abuse stance?


Did he or did he not say 'revolutionary connotations' and 'harks back to foreign (there goes that 'foreign' word again) powers'.

I'll give you some time to answer that. Plus I think you should go back and ponder this a little more:

I think it can be distilled down to a middle-aged asian male socialist pedophile who doesn't need the money. Jeez isn't that specific? Narrows it down to what, one or two people??

middle-aged: attache, fat cat, even SD agrees middle aged. Done.
asian: The handwriting, spelling, grammar, and language have pecularities to it that could be attributed to ESL. Nobody knows why the paintbrush was selected. The user managed to break both ends off and wrap the middle, all while avoiding the word KOREA. Beheading is bizarre, and a 35 year FBI vet said the whole crime is bizarre. That could equate to foreign. Asian is a gamble I admit. But another poster DID start a thread called "which small foreign faction..." and ASIA came up.
male: There is unknown male DNA on two items of clothing JBR was wearing, and it is found in the context of a sexual assault. 90% sexual crimes against children are by males. "Countermeasures and tactics" written by a woman? Nah thats guy stuff.
socialist: Clint Van Zandt says Victory! is 'revolutionary' JR says "outspoken against capitalism" the RN author uses the derrogatory term 'fat cat' which is most commonly used in connection with capitalist bosses of which JR is one.
pedophile: well, a 6 year old girl WAS sexually assaulted. Shall we split hairs on whether or not she was 'only molested'? The coroner thinks she was digitally penetrated, and that is a common mode of sexual assault on a child.
doesn't need the money: even RDI will attest to that. JR could've paid more and expert ransom kidnappers motivated by money would know it.
 
  • #390
sorry, I´ve to let this out, I know you all are great "detectives", I´m just a mom of a missing child (please don´t be upset,lol)
I´ve watched a video, 2 neighbours said they have heard lout noises that night and 1 even said ,a long horrible child scream
well, is that true?
if so, why didn´t they call police or even call the ramseys?
why did the ramseys did not hear anything, as they were asleep in same house?
about digital penetration,could be done on purpose to not leave any DNA(for example from daddy) or the abuser?
did someone investigate PR ´s past since lot of ovaries cancer women have been abused as children?
here in my country when a child wets the bed it means they fear (are scared of)their parents ,above all of the father, if so, why did JBR fear them?
 
  • #391
Dirk,

Please don't be afraid to participate. Don't let the problems of a few effect the majority. There are kind and generous folks on this forum and even the problem children(I seem to be one) are welcoming and curious to know whats on your mind, you have the right to be heard.

I wonder the same thing. You hear a child scream a long and horrifying scream and you wait ten minutes and then go back to sleep. How do you do that, I would have called the police or sent my husband to make sure that they were alright. Its just one of the things, that makes no sense. But then, its a rich neighborhood, and today most people don't want to get involved,
 
  • #392
Snipped from Dirk:

"did someone investigate PR ´s past since lot of ovaries cancer women have been abused as children?"
Well that's interesting. I have never heard of a link between child abuse and subsequent ovarian cancer. Do you have any research references for this? I'd love to read up on it. TIA!
 
  • #393
here in my country when a child wets the bed it means they fear (are scared of)their parents ,above all of the father, if so, why did JBR fear them?

Bed wetting is a sign of abuse, but also its hereditary. On the other hand, when a six year old wets and messes her pants while awake, now thats a sure fire sign of a problem (especially if that child had already been potty trained). Now, if it had been right after PR's cancer battle, it would make sense, but this was three years later. The potty issues, IMO, screamed of abuse.
 
  • #394
I'm assuming for the scream---that Melody Stanton (the woman who heard it) probably didn't think much of it? I think she said she thought JBR was having a nightmare? This was a very safe and neighborhood---I don't think she thought it was the scream of a child getting murdered.

For why the Ramseys didn't hear JBR being murdered, their house was huge. It was around 6800 square feet and the R's were three floors higher than JBR. Although I believe that Burke or Patsy accidentally killed JBR, I do believe it's possible for JBR to be killed in that basement and for no one to hear a thing.
 
  • #395
Snipped from Dirk:

"did someone investigate PR ´s past since lot of ovaries cancer women have been abused as children?"
Well that's interesting. I have never heard of a link between child abuse and subsequent ovarian cancer. Do you have any research references for this? I'd love to read up on it. TIA!

I also have never heard of any link between ovarian cancer and child abuse. And there is ovarian cancer in my family. No child abuse that I am aware of.
 
  • #396
  • #397
How???? How should "YOU KNOW" better than anyone else here? Details, please. I have always been under the assumption that ANYONE of us here only "KNOWS" based on what has been written/posted on this, and numerous other, websites.....including you.

Please enlighten me on just how YOU should KNOW better than anyone else here.

I wasn't talking about the case, eleven. I was talking about how I know about the problems with IDI. Because I used to BE one!

I'm sorry you took that the wrong way.
 
  • #398
The crime can be reduced to a sexual assault only, because thats the basest and most depraved. IOW its the crime that has the most compulsion associated with it. Its likely to have been the motive.

I'm game to focus on that. Oh, wait. I TRIED already.

Then ask yourself who sexually assaults little girls?

Usually people close to them.
 
  • #399
sorry, I´ve to let this out, I know you all are great "detectives", I´m just a mom of a missing child (please don´t be upset,lol)
did someone investigate PR ´s past since lot of ovaries cancer women have been abused as children?

Good question!

here in my country when a child wets the bed it means they fear (are scared of)their parents ,above all of the father, if so, why did JBR fear them?

Another good question!
 
  • #400
Who sexually assaults little girls?

Usually people close to them.

People sexually assault little girls? Really? You mean like anybody who is close to them assaults them? Think about what you are saying man!
 

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