No outcry to find the killer/Zanny

[evergreen]

There are no slam dunks in jury trials when there are no eye witnesses. I am perfectly fine with them getting all their ducks in a row on this one. Take all the time you need OCDA. Part of the reason they are delaying is to make sure that KC gets to spend a lot of quality time alone with her cot and that wonderful snack food she enjoys.

 

[songline]

There are no slam dunks in jury trials when there are no eye witnesses. I am perfectly fine with them getting all their ducks in a row on this one. Take all the time you need OCDA. Part of the reason they are delaying is to make sure that KC gets to spend a lot of quality time alone with her cot and that wonderful snack food she enjoys.

Actually I think that Casey is not coming out till she is old and gray.
But the reason for delaying is to get it right, so that she can not walk.
That means that they still have their work cut out for them.

 

[MeoW333]

I don't know that this is the right place for this post, and I haven't read all of these threads so it may have already been stated, but here's what I think happened.

I believe that Casey drowned Caylee for whatever sick reason (to get back at Cindy perhaps or because Caylee was in the way of her new life) in the family pool. She freaked out afterwards (thinking OMG what did I just do - did I really do that [no insanity here]) and that's when she had to really get a plan going (to cover her butt - afterall all she cares about is herself). She put her body in the back yard until she could gather the items she needed to dispose of her (blanket, bags, laundry bag, duct tape, etc). Tony L has stated that he was with her on the 16th (and I can't remember if the 17th) and no Caylee; he said he skipped school, IIRC.

I believe that she decided to pin this on Jesse if it came down to her butt getting in trouble. I suppose she thought she could go on forever and no one would ask her where Caylee was and expect her to deliver her. (It's late and I'm beyond exhausted so hopefully this is making sense.)

Anyway, I think her calling Jesse on the day he was working when she ran out of gas was to let him know where her car was at (that way she could say well he knew my car was at Amscott - and she has stated that - so he must have put Caylee there). She also has said that he has a key to her car (does he? IDK). But she did 'conveniently' need to use his shower while Tony L was in NY over the July 4th timeframe. Could she have planted something, to include a copy of her car key, at Jesse's?

I do believe she told LA of her problems - it may have been while she was out on bail. I think that is why they bought the story of "you can't trust Jesse". I mean, why not, she trusted him just 2 weeks prior enough to use his shower? :waitasec: Thus, no reason to look for Zanny the invisi-Nanny. IMO, they know Casey did this and they are just looking for anyone else to pin this on so their 'precious' daughter doesn't have to rot in jail where she belongs.

If Casey drowned her in the family pool she should have left it at that and called it in as an accidental drowning while freaking out.. she's not smart enough.
Maybe she gave her too much chloroform and Caylee didn't wake up..?

 

[white_envelope]

LE had her number and knew she did it from day 1 because of all her lies. (Well, the lies were a major tip off.) They did charge her early on, even before the body was found so they must have felt they had enough then or at least the grand jury did.

The publicity that drew the heavy hitters onto the defense team is what the prosecution has to work against now....it's not that it was a perfect crime, far from it, imo.

 

[sumbunny]

Casey is "dumb as rocks". I'm sure the reason she didn't claim "accidental drowning" is because even a dumbarse could possibly see the trauma on caylee's body.

She is a cold callous monster who wanted to get back at her crazy-controlling-mother from he11!!!!

 

[Torrie]

I think that the fact that the A's nor anyone else ... including JB, have put forth an effort to find the killer/kidnapper, Zanny "the Nanny" F G, speaks volumes. If someone dear to your family was kidnapped and later found murdered ... wouldn't you do all you could to bring the person accused to justice? After all, we know that Zanny was the last person to have Caylee -- at least according to Casey and the A's. So why do we not hear via the attorney that the A's are asking for help to clear their daughters name and bring the real killer to justice? Also, you notice, we never hear from anyone on the defense asking for the "real" JH or JL, Samantha and RF nor any other, heretofore, unverified witnesses to come forward. Any ONE of these people could clear his client ... or in the least verify her credibility ... yet he has made no public EFFORT to find them! How could ALL of these people suddenly drop from the face of the earth at the same time? To me that says it all. IMO a jury will think the same!

This one single thing has ticked me off more than any other. It is the most telling piece of evidence, IMO. This is the only missing child case I've ever seen, where there never was a plea. Not from KC, not from the As, not from anybody. They have known from "day one" that the nanny wasn't real, therefore, no plea to her, no search for her.

 

[LisaNY]

If Casey drowned her in the family pool she should have left it at that and called it in as an accidental drowning while freaking out.. she's not smart enough.
Maybe she gave her too much chloroform and Caylee didn't wake up..?

Could it have been both? I mean could she have chloroformed Caylee, placed her in the pool to drown, planning on saying it was an accident, then after she took her out she realized that there would be proof otherwise. In other words, she did not think it out fully. In this scenario, I am thinking she was fantasizing that she could blame ca or ga for leaving the pool ladder up, she was digging up bamboo roots, Caylee climbed the ladder and drowned. Everyone would feel sorry for her, poor KC lost her daughter so tragically. Then she realized that she would be blamed by CA for being negligent, so tried to bide her time with Caylee in the car, until she smell of death became so strong ^ time was against her so she was forced to discard the body, and since she had been telling everyone Zanny Nanny was with Caylee, she went with the kidnap story, making up the details as events unfolded.

IDK, as sure as I am that KC is the ONLY one guilty of this crime, I truly wish there were some other explanation. A mother killing their own child has got to be the most horrendous, inhumane act that I could ever imagine. A mother's love and protection is the one thing is this world a child should always be able to depend on.

From the beginning of this case, I often wondered why there was no outcry, why was there no composite sketch put out there, & how is it there is NOONE to verify that any of the people associated with Zanny Nanny exist.

All MOO.

 

[whiteangora]

This one single thing has ticked me off more than any other. It is the most telling piece of evidence, IMO. This is the only missing child case I've ever seen, where there never was a plea. Not from KC, not from the As, not from anybody. They have known from "day one" that the nanny wasn't real, therefore, no plea to her, no search for her.

bold,me
Isn't that the truth? Every other family is begging the kidnappers to return their child, they cry, plead and carry on, as it should be.
The Anthony's never once "spoke to the kidnapping nanny" on any tv show or in public.
How can anyone overlook this fact and say C, G & L aren't involved somehow?

 

[Vegas Bride]

Casey is "dumb as rocks". I'm sure the reason she didn't claim "accidental drowning" is because even a dumbarse could possibly see the trauma on caylee's body.

She is a cold callous monster who wanted to get back at her crazy-controlling-mother from he11!!!!

I've wondered for some time now if Casey was ever thought to have some type of learning disability. Not using that as any type of excuse for what she's done, but the way she talks, throwing words out there to try and sound smart, I've seen this before with other people who do have learning disabilities. Imo Cindy would not have accepted that she had a child with any type of problem and Casey would have learned real quick that outward appearance is everything so you better pretend to be smart even if you aren't!
Has there ever been any of her school records come to light?

VB

 

[Pink Panther]

I've wondered for some time now if Casey was ever thought to have some type of learning disability. Not using that as any type of excuse for what she's done, but the way she talks, throwing words out there to try and sound smart, I've seen this before with other people who do have learning disabilities. Imo Cindy would not have accepted that she had a child with any type of problem and Casey would have learned real quick that outward appearance is everything so you better pretend to be smart even if you aren't!
Has there ever been any of her school records come to light?

VB

No "school records" are required. Just watch her parents...No one in this family has gone beyond the age of 15! Learning disabilities abound here!

mOO

 

[Vegas Bride]

This one single thing has ticked me off more than any other. It is the most telling piece of evidence, IMO. This is the only missing child case I've ever seen, where there never was a plea. Not from KC, not from the As, not from anybody. They have known from "day one" that the nanny wasn't real, therefore, no plea to her, no search for her.

Have we ever one time heard Cindy, George, or Lee say the words "Justice for Caylee"
Do any of the buttons they wear speak of Justice for this baby girl?
Imo they decided many months ago to turn their back on true justice. If they could, they would blame anyone else, rather than the true killer. They don't want justice if it costs them one of their own.

Thinking back on things my own mother had to deal with, and comparing her actions to Cindy's, my mother took action when someone was doing her family wrong, where is the outrage and the need to protect for Caylee? If they did believe Caylee was alive for months after, how can they explain their actions? What did they themselves do besides hinder an investigation?

VB

 

[songline]

LE had her number and knew she did it from day 1 because of all her lies. (Well, the lies were a major tip off.) They did charge her early on, even before the body was found so they must have felt they had enough then or at least the grand jury did.

The publicity that drew the heavy hitters onto the defense team is what the prosecution has to work against now....it's not that it was a perfect crime, far from it, imo.

I have used the expression myself but when I look at the words "perfect crime" all I can think of is how can any crime be perfect.... Getting back to the issue....Was just thinking on "Expessions we use".

YES LE had a lot of cause to suspect her and charge her and they still do.
Starting with 31 days; smelly car; BS....In fact now they have even more reason to suspect her
then they did at the first arrest.
BUT...IF... JUST IF....they had all they need to tie this case up they would be in court tomorrow.
Do it now. There would be no need to wait at all.
The reason I believe they are waiting till fall = they do not want to lose because of one juror saving "reasonable doubt" . THEY WANT IT TIES TIGHT.
Some things need time. before it is really ready to trial.
I do think they have a lot , but not a slam dunk yet.

 

[white_envelope]

I have used the expression myself but when I look at the words "perfect crime" all I can think of is how can any crime be perfect....Getting back to the issue here.
YES LE had a lot of cause to suspect her and they still do. Starting with 31 days; smelly car; BS....In fact now they have even more reason to suspect her then they did at the first arrest.
BUT...IF... JUST IF....they had all they need to tied this one up they would do it now. There would be no need to wait at all.
The reason I believe they are waiting till fall = they do not want to lose because of one juror saving "reasonable doubt" .
They need to ties this up some more before it is really ready to go.
do think they have a lot , but not a slam dunk yet.

Being "ready" to go to court with enough evidence and being ready to go to court procedurally are two totally different things. Remember they've got a list of over 100 witnesses to depose which is going to take time. They could probably win this with the documented statements and scientific reports they already have but why take the chance?

Besides, it's not totally up to the prosecution as to when a trial will start. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be too suprised if the defense delays this case into the next decade.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

what they said the first week was not rehearsed it was straight forward listen to the 911 call, their description of the car, and other things they said the first week.
Remember that GA has tailed Casey and lost her because they knew something is wrong.
PARENTS DO HAVE A 6th SENSE and they DO know.
Whatever they say now or don't say now is with a 20/20 hinside they know they lost one for sure, and are trying with all their might to save one.
I see them suffering, but I also see that they are grasping at straws. Nothing they say now is as important as what they actually said in the beginning. In their heart they do know.

CASEY may have an accomplice - Casey may have had an accident that she fears talking about, but CASEY is in the middle of this no matter what and this they DO know.

If they were sure that Casey is innocent they would have given the search team Caylee's garment, and hair brush (not dog brush).
They did not want Caylee found till there was not one bit of flesh on the bones to test. WHILE they were hurting they did this for Casey. MOO
AND there would definitely be more of an attempt to find the perpetrator.
I wish somebody would ask them, If Casey is so innocent who is out there looking for the guilty one? and how close are they to having any real leads?
ALSO: since I know all my grandchildren baby sitters, I would ask them why they don't know any of caylee's baby sitters.

You're preaching to the choir! But I do think that their psyches will not allow them to go there--to what is so obvious to everyone else. Denial is a very strong defense mechanism.

 

[trixi491]

I know they are going to trial. I also know that if it was a slam dunk they would have gone to trial already, not next fall.
I do think she has them stumped...Or they would not be waiting till next fall to end this fiasco. MO
Her car smelled like death she was the last one with Caylee and yes she got arrested as she should have. But it is no slam dunk and she is not a smart cookie, so IMO she had to be helped at some point. JMO

Isn't it the defense who keeps pushing the trial date back further? That's what I thought? I remember the prosecution said Sept and then JB tried to prolong even one month longer to Oct

 

[songline]

Being "ready" to go to court with enough evidence and being ready to go to court procedurally are two totally different things. Remember they've got a list of over 100 witnesses to depose which is going to take time. They could probably win this with the documented statements and scientific reports they already have but why take the chance?

Besides, it's not totally up to the prosecution as to when a trial will start. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be too surprised if the defense delays this case into the next decade.

Right an the best date they can tentatively select is next Fall.
Before they found Caylee they had a date for March;Ok they needed time to work with the mew findings but next FALL suggests that they don't have all the ducks in row; I hope they do get all the ducks set in a row.

 

[Brini]

Ok ... granted! WB Chilly :blowkiss:. I've sincerely missed your devil's advocate positions! Why then, I ask, would they not be searching for the real killer ... lest they already know she is in jail?

They'll be joining OJ, still searching those golf courses, pretty soon.

 

[Brini]

TY Chilly!
I see what you are saying but LA said this about "The Nanny" (I'm sure he would ask to excuse the double negatives)... "There's never not been interest in her from our standpoint and they should never have had any reason not to have interest in this person, frankly. There’s' been information corroborated that this person actually exists," which makes it sound as if they posit that the Nanny (ZFG) exists!

http://www.wesh.com/news/17099679/detail.html

Maybe they'll accuse Fran Drescher?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Maybe they'll accuse Fran Drescher?

:laugh: I am sorry, I know I should not laugh...but you are to funny.

 

[Brini]

bolded by me, because it's true, the A's knew from day 1 that kc did something BAD. When the A family smelled death they knew what BAD thing KC DID!

Well, when CA first confronted KC, after she retrieved KC from Tony's, one of the first things she said was, "What did you do?" It waS AFTER that that she said, "Did someone take her?"