Norway Norway - Oslo - WhtFem 20-30 - Fake Name - Shot in Hotel Room - 3 June 1995 #2

[Beekarina]

Right, what DNA can do is help reconstruct a family tree, assuming there are enough cousins out there who have tested and uploaded DNA to public databases. Then genetic genealogy can "close in" on likely families and investigators can interview them to see if anyone existed who fits the profile, and then find out if such person was missing.

And of course, if you have DNA on file, either direct sample or a very close relative, you can compare directly as any of us could who have a "kit" on a site like Gedmatch. Parents, siblings, first cousins, etc would share an expected amount of DNA, so voila. Confirm or rule out. But no, that would not indicate "Born in Cleveland"

 

[Beekarina]

But there is simply zero evidence to support any of that. Not to mention that murder is almost never a solution to some random illicit shagging that results in pregnancy!

If that really is the answer to all of this then Mr Baby Daddy is literally the most accomplished person at planning and executing a highly elaborate and risky murder - the potential consequences of which VASTLY outweigh any benefits - with a 100% success rate, than anyone I have ever heard of.

Again, like lots of people have said; this is just inventing "stuff" that might have happened with little or no recourse to the actual evidence.

This is a long cold case, where a young woman is still unidentified.

So I would not look at it as "inventing stuff" but discussing what may have taken place.

Absent of hard evidence, such as CCTV or someone coming forward with new evidence, there is a lot of unknown here.

I am more interested in learning her identity, but I see value in discussing different scenarios. It may not be likely, but there could be some minor detail gone unnoticed after all this time. Brainstorming collectively might shake something lose, we never know, right?

 

[Cedars]

I was in a hotel over the weekend and this thought occurred to me - tbh it's something that does through my head each time I'm away but never get round to posting it.

When you think about it, the "deadbolt" on a hotel door is, as far as I can tell, pretty pointless as far as security is concerned. You need the keycard to activate the door handle from the outside. If you don't have the key card then you can't move the handle downwards. How, then, does this stop a random burglar or assailant, because they can't get in in any event without the card?

I suspect (but haven't tried it) that if the door is "deadbolted" on the inside that swiping your keycard on the outside will withdraw the deadbolt when you push the handle down - as it does from the inside when you move the handle down.

Seems to me that the "deadbolt" is there simply for psychological reassurance. I mean, it'll provide a bit more resistance if someone tries to batter the door down but who ever does that??

I believe the magic of keycards is they can be programmed for different levels of access.

So eg housekeeping or maintenance staff do not have keycards that can over-ride your deadbolt, and barge in on you.

In particular, I assume in Oslo, the hotel staff person who knocked on the door and then heard the shot, probably had a basic keycard, tried to enter but couldn't, because of the deadbolt. They had to go get the head of security, who had a keycard that could over-ride both of the internal locks.

JMO. (My statements are in the context of this thread, and not intended to apply to everything, everywhere, for all time).

 

[PiggyHoneycutt]

It may have been said already but such short hair on a woman makes me think that she shaved/cut her hair to look different, as if she was trying to change her identity

 

[Marantz4250b]

It may have been said already but such short hair on a woman makes me think that she shaved/cut her hair to look different, as if she was trying to change her identity

I think that shorter hair on women was kinda the style at the time, though. If so, then she probably wouldn't have stuck out. Although, yes, it might have made her less recognisable to those who knew her.

Having said that, this case has now had a lot of publicity. You'd think that someone who knew her would have seen it all and come forward. A young, seemingly attractive, woman rarely drops out from her family and social circle without being missed.

Someone knows her identity, of that I am very sure.

 

[Cedars]

DBM

 

[GigaParsec]

It may have been said already but such short hair on a woman makes me think that she shaved/cut her hair to look different, as if she was trying to change her identity

this leads back to the espionage/secret service theory

 

[Beekarina]

The hairstyle she was wearing was common in the 1990s. (I was around the same age as "Jennifer" in 1995.)

Think Winona Ryder, Gwyneth Paltrow, Natalie Imbruglia, Princess Diana...all similar.

"Jennifer" may have been trying to alter her looks, since the reports do mention "hair may have been dyed" (although how they do not know for certain seems pretty weird to me......." I think it can be a good use of technology to use AI to create mockups of how she may have looked with various colors and lengths of hair, but the short "Pixie" type style may just have been a trend/look she liked, and nothing more. It suited her delicate bone structure, so I can see why she wore her hair short, especially if her eyes were a striking color, as people mentioned.

 

[Beekarina]

For reference, I randomly found a pic of Natalie Imbruglia when her song "Torn" was popular a couple years after Jennifer died. See? Very similar looking women, IMO.

via The Timelessness of Natalie Imbruglia's Torn | Gigmor Blog

 

[GracefulD1an]

The hairstyle she was wearing was common in the 1990s. (I was around the same age as "Jennifer" in 1995.)

Think Winona Ryder, Gwyneth Paltrow, Natalie Imbruglia, Princess Diana...all similar.

"Jennifer" may have been trying to alter her looks, since the reports do mention "hair may have been dyed" (although how they do not know for certain seems pretty weird to me......." I think it can be a good use of technology to use AI to create mockups of how she may have looked with various colors and lengths of hair, but the short "Pixie" type style may just have been a trend/look she liked, and nothing more. It suited her delicate bone structure, so I can see why she wore her hair short, especially if her eyes were a striking color, as people mentioned.

How do they not know if it was dyed?!? I mean I would assume roots would be visible depending on how recently she applied the dye and that would be another thing to look for if she hadn’t dyed it recently. I have toyed with the idea of dying my hair auburn but I don’t think my eyes would allow me to pull off auburn hair (my eyes are quirky, they shift between espresso and obsidian) so I keep my hair ash brown.

And yes let’s toy with imaging software and create mockups of “Jennifer” with different hair colors and styles. I wonder what she would look like with Tifa Lockhart hair.

 

[Beekarina]

How do they not know if it was dyed?!? I mean I would assume roots would be visible depending on how recently she applied the dye and that would be another thing to look for if she hadn’t dyed it recently. I have toyed with the idea of dying my hair auburn but I don’t think my eyes would allow me to pull off auburn hair (my eyes are quirky, they shift between espresso and obsidian) so I keep my hair ash brown.

And yes let’s toy with imaging software and create mockups of “Jennifer” with different hair colors and styles. I wonder what she would look like with Tifa Lockhart hair.

I really found it odd? I think from the post-mortem her hair seems to match her eyebrows fairly well, so unless both were dyed to match, I guess? Maybe she did not have any other body hair at the time for comparison?

I'm confused as well. I think it is usually pretty obvious when people dye their hair, even when it is professionally done and flattering, but something must have made them suspect it was possible here to suggest it. Another mystery, I guess.

You could always try henna or something semi-permanent and see if you like it with some red without committing? I used to dye my hair all the time when younger. It was fun.

 

[GigaParsec]

I really found it odd? I think from the post-mortem her hair seems to match her eyebrows fairly well, so unless both were dyed to match, I guess? Maybe she did not have any other body hair at the time for comparison?

I'm confused as well. I think it is usually pretty obvious when people dye their hair, even when it is professionally done and flattering, but something must have made them suspect it was possible here to suggest it. Another mystery, I guess.

You could always try henna or something semi-permanent and see if you like it with some red without committing? I used to dye my hair all the time when younger. It was fun.

If she used synthetic hair dyes, would be pretty simple to detect them, as it would be an anomaly (i.e. not there naturally). If the dyes were organic, they would be harder to detect, but still traceable

 

[Beekarina]

If she used synthetic hair dyes, would be pretty simple to detect them, as it would be an anomaly (i.e. not there naturally). If the dyes were organic, they would be harder to detect, but still traceable

I was also trying to not be explicit, but it would also be somewhat unusual to have naturally very blonde hair on one part of your body and not on another, as an example. I do think it could be valuable for identifying her to show her with different hair colors and styles as she also may have dyed her hair other shades in her every day life. I think it can be very common to experiment when young, especially. And it can really change the perception of someone's appearance. There could be old friends out there who knew her as a teenager with longer lighter hair not making the connection. Anything is possible.

I personally do NOT think she was a spy or anything like that, but even if there was some motivation for her immediate family to remain silent, it is strange with so much publicity that people are not coming forward saying "Hey, I know her." At least not that we know of.....

 

[szegedileah]

Do we know if the lipstick/lip gloss on her lips was only put on after the autopsy, for the sake of photography and retouching, or was it already there when the body was discovered?