NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[bluesneakers]

He planned this for months. He did not ramble with things he said. Someone who would have a tumor or have cognitive decline would not be able to control his thoughts and saying things.

He carried out a complex plan for months with no dropped information to anyone.

I go with my husband and agree it was for him to have the biggest kill.

Arrogance, entitlement. Gambling may have lost its thrill. He had a loving partner but used prostitutes. Entitled.

He loved being the big shot. He decided to wow the world with his superior being

I think you're right. There was nothing special about this man.

 

[bears10]

Just to make it clear, paying cash for the home means you don't ask for a loan. It doesn't mean you bring a suitcase full of dollar bills.

I’m well aware, if you read my previous posts I said it doesn’t mean green cash, it means he didn’t fknance

 

[Isabelle]

??? But counter-clockwise is the right way...

https://youtu.be/dUg1p-pk_CE


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Would a leftie do that clockwise?

 

[x_files]

He planned this for months. He did not ramble with things he said. Someone who would have a tumor or have cognitive decline would not be able to control his thoughts and saying things.

He carried out a complex plan for months with no dropped information to anyone.

I go with my husband and agree it was for him to have the biggest kill.

Arrogance, entitlement. Gambling may have lost its thrill. He had a loving partner but used prostitutes. Entitled.

He loved being the big shot. He decided to wow the world with his superior being

I agree. Thrill seeker, psychopath. He was way too organized.

 

[human]

Just to make it clear, paying cash for the home means you don't ask for a loan. It doesn't mean you bring a suitcase full of dollar bills.

Some people do bring bills. I know of a person who loves to get discounts. He has a vacation property business. He goes to a business such as a big box building supply store and will order everything. A house with everything. Toliets, cabinets, etc. He has a stack of cash. If they do not give hm a discount, he says he will go to the place down the road. Amazing what a stack of bills can get for you.

 

[CARIIS]

Mental Illness is the umbrella, catch-all excuse. Off course it's mental illness. who in their 'right mind' would do such an offense?

Until the toxicology report comes back and results of the autopsy are in, this info on mental illness seems premature, IMO.

I think lots think exploring the realities of mental illness is identical to taking away responsibility from perp

it is not ---- but can be helpful with the why

moo the fact that america is still (getting better) stigmitizing mental illiness is really an indicator of not understanding the ravages of the malady.

It is very real

It is not choice

Can you imagine someone blaming a diabetic whose blood sugar got so low they crashed into a bunch of people killing them being blamed . Or told diabetes is BS.

What about Demented (mental illness) who aggressively come after family members or caretakers is that a blame thing

There seems to be a general beleif system that its all about getting (legal system) getting off and a game

Often that is not case. Batman Holmes was delusional that is mental illness -- he thought he was joker

the guy in planned parenthood was screaming things that made no sense in court that is mental illness

The guy who shot the congresswoman is psychotic that is mental illness

The Cascade mall shooter would pull knives on his parents that is mental illness

Was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally ill? Unless one can buy the notion that there is truth in his core belief that dead bodies in vats of acid are company - well .

Adam Lanza mom was so scared of him she let him stay in his room for months alone that is mental illness

IIRC the fort lauderdale shooter was dced from the armed services as a result of mental concerns

the fort hood shooter was actively psychotic around his peers - fellow psychiatrists

Austin who eats peoples faces was clearly in a problematic state of mind

Cho at Virginia tech was acutely disturbed on that day they system dumped him all over -- ignored clear signs -- for a long time

Mental illness is no different than diabetes, cancer, etc etc. It is a medical disease.

IMO until our nation can grasp that reality -its a medical entity - we shall be mass shot to death moo

Am I saying some try to use mental illness to get a different hotel when convicted - sure

MOO a lot of our society total misunderstanding of mental illness is based on the asylums in the 50's.

Unless someone is walking backwards talking to trees there not suffering with mental illness.

So there is a wide notion that someone who can think be smart plan organize etc etc the instant conclusion is there is no mental illness involved.

That belief system (erroneous) -- that unless someone is acting crazy all the time only in the terms the public thinks what crazy is .

Mental illness , like most medical problems manifest themselves in different ways - no difference


Check out how many brilliant people suffered with bipolar-- and killed themselves.

Being bright, able to think, have money, etc etc does not rule out the realities of suffering with mental illness

Its like ice cream -- all ice cream IS ice cream -- but there are so many varieties of ice cream!

Were learning the hard way --until our society validates mental illness, educates the masses on what it actually is (far more subtle than screaming at sidewalks) we will continue to be shot at.

Look at what the society is now learning as it relates to DV and really violent behavior later . Does that translate to all people who abuse other will be a mass shooter nope - at the same time we find more and more there is a history in a lot of folks who later get increasingly violent

In the 50s there was mental == it equaled totally insane

We know much more about mental illness now.

Most - all flavors- are generally related to neurotransmitters in our brain. It is that simple yet so complicated

Certainly guns come into the pic at some level and shall leave that angle alone !!

No different than insulin and blood sugar identical imo

Excuse imo no

helpful the "why" imo yes

Does anyone blame a diabetic for anything

moo?

 

[Isabelle]

Where was all the money coming from? Was he really winning playing at the casino? It's hard to beat the house. If it were easy, casinos would be out of business.

Agree completely!!!

 

[human]

I am saying that his actions 25 years ago, may have been justified. He might have had serious mental or emotional issues since then. But I am just saying that pointing to his actions, of going to the roof during the midst of the 92 riots, do not seem to indicate that is was 'because he was a serial killer', in my opinion.

If you want to say that i am 'defending him' , have at it.

IMO< I am just trying to be accurate about symptoms/indications of violence/maliciousness. :cow:

Going on a roof to mow down people is justified ?

 

[Betty P]

He planned this for months. He did not ramble with things he said. Someone who would have a tumor or have cognitive decline would not be able to control his thoughts and saying things.

He carried out a complex plan for months with no dropped information to anyone.

I go with my husband and agree it was for him to have the biggest kill.

Arrogance, entitlement. Gambling may have lost its thrill. He had a loving partner but used prostitutes. Entitled.

He loved being the big shot. He decided to wow the world with his superior being

I've thought the same thing. Spending hours on end, day after day feeding money into video poker or other games seems it would get to be a grind after a while. Boring. The only real rewards were the perks of food, rooms, etc. that made him feel like a big shot. He liked showing off for his family and the few friends he had.

Anti social. Big ego. Delusions of grandeur. Even without his horrible final act, he was not a nice person.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

BIGCITYACCOUNTANT I appreciate your input, always. Cash transactions of $10,000 or more require a FORM 8300 to be filed. (you can find the pdf form on the IRS website if so inclined.) There are many safeguards in place. The BSA=Bank Secrecy Act:
The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 (or BSA, or otherwise known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act) requires financial institutions in the United States to assist U.S. government agencies to detect and prevent money laundering.
The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 (or BSA, or otherwise known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act) requires financial institutions in the United States to assist U.S. government agencies to detect and prevent money laundering
https://pocketsense.com/deposits-reported-irs-7557.html
And for individuals who think they can side-step or avoid that reporting, they still have to contend with SAR=Suspicious Activity Reports that are done by banks internally when a person deposits more than $2000 cash 3 times in one month. If you have tenants who pay you in cash, or a Farmer's Market Vendor who receives cash payments, be sure to let your banker know the reason you are depositing a lot of cash. (Banking relationships are important!) If a bank can not discern why you are depositing so much cash....expect that you will be "engaged in a courteous conversation of inquiry" or expect to have your account closed.
Sadly, I live in a state where marijuana sales are legal for medical purposes, but not legal under Federal laws....so I just have to tell the person, "I can't do any work for you." I have no idea how others in my profession handle it....but I love my country and respects its laws, so I won't even deal with people/business that make me uncomfortable about their financial wheeling and dealings.
I can't help but wonder if SP did any gambling when he went to the Philippines and what hotel/casino would have a record of him in that country. The coincidences are profound, to say the least.

Hi IQueston! :seeya: Hope you are well!!

Yep~~that is correct and that is the correct form number! Yes, it was originally intended to prevent money laundering especially drug money, but after 9/11 it is used to track terrorists as well.

BCA

 

[enelram]

According to this article the agent confirmed it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...dock-profile-house-cash-fence-invs/index.html

Thanks Bears.

Something happened to this guy appx. 1 yr. ago. According to your linked article, LE says he amassed 33 of his
guns in the past year.

Was he spiraling down into deep depression? Was he self-medicating in order to maintain his lifestyle?
Again, his girlfriend and his gambling habits since Oct., 2016, as well as his drug habits (prescriptions or street drugs)
are the BIG CLUES here.

I believe he may have planned his suicide and the mass shooting last fall.

 

[CARIIS]

I think it's important in the current context to understand what money laundering is, since it seems some previous posters (not you, BCA!) aren't clear about it.

Money laundering is the process by which cash gained by criminal activity is entered into the legitimate banking system and moved around in such a way as to disguise its origin so that it becomes "clean".

Almost all significant criminal activity at the front end generates large amounts of cash. Users pay cash for drugs. Punters pay cash for prostitutes. Shopkeepers pay cash for protection. Loan sharks make loans and receive repayments in cash.

All of that cash has to be made "legitimate" in order to be truly useful to criminals.

and buying real estate sure is legit!!

shell companies and stuff !

 

[CARIIS]

If you knew you were going to die, what is the reason for hanging around?

Security took her away

 

[Isabelle]

How about just being Evil as a motive?

 

[jjenny]

I've thought the same thing. Spending hours on end, day after day feeding money into video poker or other games seems it would get to be a grind after a while. Boring. The only real rewards were the perks of food, rooms, etc. that made him feel like a big shot. He liked showing off for his family and the few friends he had.

Anti social. Big ego. Delusions of grandeur. Even without his horrible final act, he was not a nice person.

As far as mass shooters go, this guy seemed to have had a good life. Bunch of money (where from, exactly?), didn't have to work, playing in casinos all day (I guess that was his job), even had a girlfriend who apparently didn't ask too many questions.

 

[enelram]

CARIIS, thank you for your very helpful post on Mental Illness. It's hard for most people to understand unless you've been closely associated with it and educated yourself on it.

Most people have little experience with serious, deep depression/anxiety. There is a close association between
professional/full time/compulsive gamblers and depression/anxiety.

IMO, this does explain what happened here and WHY. He spent the last year planning this and finally carried it out.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Some stuff about this still just doesn't sit right with me (and I'm not saying that in an endorsing conspiracy theories kind of way either, fwiw.)


He's in his sixties with really no criminal history to speak of. Yes, he's a hard-core gambler, but disciplined enough about it to stay solvent. If he was an accountant he went to school for that and even though he didn't hold a job, his history suggests he could.

No note or manifesto feels weird - no attempt at impression management. And we've seen he can be snide, we're not hearing about angry outbursts or anything.

He seems meticulous about detail, like he would have enjoyed the planning much more than the crime itself. I almost feel like he wanted to prove to himself that he could master a complex scenario like this. And yes, he seems utterly without hesitation or remorse.

I've been trying to find a mass shooter he reminds me of, and I just can't. Any kind of well-known killer, and nothing fits. Maybe it's a weird way to look at it, but the closest personality profile that makes sense to me is someone like Robert Hansen, the FBI agent caught spying for the Russians. (And NO, I'm NOT trying to insinuate Paddock was involved in anything like that!) But Hansen, who also grew up with an (emotionally) absent father and also trained as an accountant and later worked for the Feds, lived a life almost entirely of contradictions, totally compartmentalized parallel lives, with his job, with his wife, etc. Hansen had no political axes to grind, he claimed his sole motive was profit, but I wonder if he didn't just like proving he could execute these highly complex operations too.

Edmond post office shooter. No political ax to grind. No manifesto. No criminal history. No spying. In fact, didn't Paddock work for the post office at some point? Paddock was disgruntled. She don't know about what just yet.


[emoji202]MOO

 

[jjenny]

CARIIS, thank you for your very helpful post on Mental Illness. It's hard for most people to understand unless you've been closely associated with it and educated yourself on it.

Most people have little experience with serious, deep depression/anxiety. There is a close association between
professional/full time/compulsive gamblers and depression/anxiety.

IMO, this does explain what happened here and WHY. He spent the last year planning this and finally carried it out.

A lot of people have depression and anxiety. About 18 % of adults in US have anxiety. Furthermore, this guy was able to function in public, without people noticing anything unusual. Even his girlfriend, who was with him most of the time, apparently claimed she didn't notice anything that unusual. I don't think it makes any sense to blame this mass murder on his supposed depression and anxiety.

 

[bears10]

How about just being Evil as a motive?

That’s what I think. He is just evil.

 

[CARIIS]

I'm wondering if SP didn't have 'an Addictive' personality and if his gambling and gun collecting was a factor here. Perhaps he had no inner controls on 'how much or how many' things he had in his 'collection. One gun wasn't enough, he had to 'collect 45 of them. No inner controls on how much or how often he gambled. He spent hours on end satisfying his addiction. His claim to making money and winning assuaged the addiction.

Also would like to know if he was a long term cocaine user, which can screw up the neurotransmitters in his brain.
Gambling and excessive cocaine use often go hand in hand. Statistics show as much as 1/3 of all patients in drug rehab ALSO have a gambling problem. Again, ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY>

Long term cocaine use can cause depression and anxiety as well depression and anxiety can cause people to gravitate
to chronic cocaine use.

And Valium corresponds to that back in the day Valium helped you calm after using coke

I think him having some money is confusing finding a motive

throws us off - it should not!