NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[m00c0w]

His life ended with him committing a very significant crime.

And what does this have to do with my post? Everyone here knows he committed a crime, eventually. Defending his property while not actually doing anything beyond sitting on a roof with a gun is not an indicator of becoming a mass shooter 25 years later.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

You're correct I'm not ignoring it. You don't know what significance, if any, I will apply to it when it's weighed against the rest of his life or what we learn about him. If you're trying to shut down the conversation, it's already over, flung too far afield via misdirection and false equivalencies. Completely separated from its original focus, bwdik. Have a great evening.

:cheers:

You said:

We're theorizing about SP. Personally, I think it's an event with a firearm, in any event, and with his trajectory regarding firearm collection and use, I think it has weight outside of the LA Riot itself.​

That is literally assigning significance to it.

 

[katydid23]

His life ended with him committing a very significant crime.

True. 25 years later, when he had no reason at all to fire on anyone. But that does not mean he had murderous, serial killer intentions when he went on top of his apartment building to protect it from the riots.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-vegas-shooting-target-practise-a7989781.html

Stephen Paddock 'may have staged target practice' before Las Vegas shooting

[FONT=&amp]The Las Vegas gunman may have held target practise just days before carrying out the [/FONT]deadliest mass shooting in US history[FONT=&amp], reports claim.
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Investigators have uncovered surveillance footage of [/FONT]Stephen Paddock[FONT=&amp] driving alone into the desert on the Friday before the shooting, law enforcement officials told the [/FONT]Wall Street Journal[FONT=&amp]. The remote area – located near his home in Mesquite, Nevada – is often used by locals for target practise.[/FONT]

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

http://fox6now.com/2017/10/08/casin...t-vanilla-profile-one-could-possibly-imagine/

Casino owner on Stephen Paddock: “The most vanilla profile one could possibly imagine”

LAS VEGAS — The owner of a casino where Stephen Paddock gambled says the Las Vegas gunman didn’t drink alcohol or show any signs of trouble when he was a customer there.
Steve Wynn said in an interview on Fox News that Paddock had “the most vanilla profile one could possibly imagine.”

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

So the shooter was a PK of sorts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-massacre-father-benjamin-hoskins-paddock-founded-church-bingo-parlour-fbi-a7989291.html

Father of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock 'ran illegal bingo parlour and tried to start his own church'

[FONT=&amp]The father of [/FONT]Las Vegas[FONT=&amp] gunman [/FONT]Stephen Paddock[FONT=&amp] was reportedly a self-ordained minister who carried out marriage ceremonies and wanted to start his own church as well as being on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list of fugitives.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]In the search to understand the psychology of the mass murderer, attention has focused on the colourful criminal life of his father Benjamin Hoskins Paddock.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Although the killer had no previous criminal convictions and apparently lived in the shadows of society, rarely speaking to his neighbours, his father was a larger than life character, according to reports.[/FONT]

 

[jjenny]

True. 25 years later, when he had no reason at all to fire on anyone. But that does not mean he had murderous, serial killer intentions when he went on top of his apartment building to protect it from the riots.

Some people believe that incident was significant, and some do not. Can we just leave it at that?

 

[katydid23]

Some people believe that incident was significant, and some do not. Can we just leave it at that?

Absolutely.

I said I didn't think it was an indication of him being a serial killer in the future and I was accused of 'defending him' and it was said that he went up there to mow people down, nothing more.

I am going to disagree if I do disagree. We can leave it at that now, as long as everyone does.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Sorry if this has already been posted and I missed it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/08/nra-lapierre-gun-control

'Monsters out there every day': NRA refuses to consider major gun control

National Rifle Association chief executive Wayne LaPierre said on Sunday bump stocks, novelty devices that may have been used in the Las Vegas shooting, “fuzz the line” between semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons.



Chris Murphy: senator at heart of gun control push senses a change in debate
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Federal regulators need to draw a “bright line” when regulating such devices, LaPierre said on CBS’ Face the Nation, in an unusually defensive interview in which he blamed Hollywood, criminal justice reform, and the mental health system for the increasing carnage of America’s gun violence epidemic.


Gun control advocates in Congress continued to push for broader gun restrictions, saying that even if tougher laws might not have stopped the Las Vegas shooting, they would have an impact on the more than 80 Americans killed in gun suicides and homicides every single day.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Not sure where the phrase "serial killer" comes from? It seems like most of us here agree, at least as far as this thread topic and the Las Vegas massacre is concerned, he's a mass murder or rampage killer.

Absolutely.

I said I didn't think it was an indication of him being a serial killer in the future and I was accused of 'defending him' and it was said that he went up there to mow people down, nothing more.

I am going to disagree if I do disagree. We can leave it at that now, as long as everyone does.

 

[katydid23]

Not sure where the phrase "serial killer" comes from? It seems like most of us here agree, at least as far as this thread topic and the Las Vegas massacre is concerned, he's a mass murder or rampage killer.

Is this post an example of 'agreeing to disagree?' I said I was agreeing to disagree and the reply is to nitpick my incorrect term for the murderer?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Is this post an example of 'agreeing to disagree?' I said I was agreeing to disagree and the reply is to nitpick my incorrect term for the murderer?

I could tell what your point was. The fact SP was armed during a riot decades ago is not directly related to the multiple murders he committed last week.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I'm genuinely asking, because you've used the phrase multiple times. So it's by mistake. Thanks for clarifying!


:grouphug:

Is this post an example of 'agreeing to disagree?' I said I was agreeing to disagree and the reply is to nitpick my incorrect term for the murderer?

 

[bluesneakers]

Not sure where the phrase "serial killer" comes from? It seems like most of us here agree, at least as far as this thread topic and the Las Vegas massacre is concerned, he's a mass murder or rampage killer.

Unless someone finds some bodies I don't think he's a serial killer either. Mass murderer or rampage killer.

 

[cady]

Wake me when it's over. Nite all. JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/0...ta-mesa-a-week-after-las-vegas-mass-shooting/

Thousands attend popular gun show in Costa Mesa a week after Las Vegas mass shooting

This year, the Ongs did not bring their young children to the event, but they said they plan on doing so when the kids are older as an educational experience.

They also felt that the mass shooting could bring about changes in gun control. U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Wednesday proposed legislation that would ban the sale and possession of bump-stock equipment, which Paddock used to make his semiautomatic weapons fire like automatic weapons.


Republican Party leaders and the National Rifle Association said they will consider limiting bump stocks.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-ve...-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/

Las Vegas officers describe storming shooter Stephen Paddock’s hotel room

Tonight, for the first time you'll hear details of the assault from the officers who carried it out.

One week ago, just after 10 o'clock at night, 22,000 people became targets at a country music concert. Las Vegas detective Casey Clarkson was among them.


Casey Clarkson: The fire just starts hitting us. And you just hear--


(Body cam: They are shooting right at us, guys, everyone stay down, stay down.)


Casey Clarkson: I just remember, like, it was, like-- like, white spark, like, powder almost, like, hitting the concrete, hittin' the van. I mean, I'm just watching these rounds hit all, like, right next to us. And I'm like, "How is he so accurate?"

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Someone earlier up in this thread was asking if SP shot himself with a revolver. Signs point to yes.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-ve...-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/

More from 60 Minutes link:

Dave Newton --so many guns. So many magazines. Stacks and stacks of magazines everywhere. Just in suitcases all neatly stacked against pillars, around the room, all stacked up, rifles placed all throughout. All kinds of monitors and electrical equipment he had in there. It just looked like almost a gun store.

Joshua: Shell casings all over the floor. I could smell the-- gun powder that-- that had went off in the room. We were trippin' over guns. Trippin' over long guns inside. There was so many.


Bill Whitaker: That many.


Dave Newton: Yes.


Matthew Donaldson: My initial scan, coming in the room with my rifle is just seein' I'm seeing one male down, bleeding from the face. He was not a threat. Kept going, kept going, kept going.


Bill Whitaker: Said one male down. That was the shooter?


Matthew Donaldson: Yes.


Bill Whitaker: Stephen Paddock?


Bill Whitaker: What were his wounds?


Dave Newton: I didn't see any apparent wounds to his head. But I did see a lotta blood that had come outta his mouth.


Joshua Bitsko: There was-- a bloody revolver I think-- nearby. Nearby him that was on the ground consistent with him shootin' himself.

Joshua Bitsko: Days of planning. Days of planning. He had tool boxes in power tools to run wires for his-- surveillance systems. For everything that he had, it took him days to finish.

 

[bessie]

Don't forget, the Las Vegas shooting will be the topic of Websleuths Radio tonight starting in about 25 minutes. Tricia's guests will be forensic psychologist Dr. Glenn Lipson, and true crime investigator and author Dawna Kaufman.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...-radio-sunday-oct-8th-2017mass-shooting-vegas

 

[Betty P]

True. 25 years later, when he had no reason at all to fire on anyone. But that does not mean he had murderous, serial killer intentions when he went on top of his apartment building to protect it from the riots.

JMO, he had fantasized about these scenarios through much of his adult life. It's what violent sociopaths do. The LA riots in the 90's gave him a legitimate excuse to sort of act out his fantasy. He didn't go through with it, but it was stimulating for him in a way that was different from others who were protecting their property. It was a memory he could recall again later when fantasizing about killing large numbers of innocent people. Like Dahmer and others, he was able to satisfy his cravings with these fantasies for many years, until the fantasies were no longer as effective. In a downward spiral of mental health problems and increasing substance abuse, he became unraveled and decided to finally live his fantasy in real life. Most psychopaths can only fantasize about heinous acts for so long before the urge grows stronger and the fantasies no longer work. They spend greater amounts of their waking hours dreaming of their murderous schemes. It takes over their life, interferes with work, personal relationships, daily life. Alcohol and drug abuse help dull the urge for a while, but eventually only make the situation much worse.

JMO, its not much different from a serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer, who began fantasizing about killing and dismembering people when he was still in high school. His friends from school said by junior and senior year, he was coming to school drunk nearly every day. He told authors and reporters he drank to deal with his rapidly escalating, violent fantasy life. The summer after high school, he could control himself no longer and finally acted on his fantasy.

So Paddock had either been fantasizing of rooftop murder of masses before the LA riots and used the event to play with his fantasy or he began his murderous obsession at that time. Either way, he spent many, many years dreaming of doing what he did last week in Vegas.