NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

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  • #841
I was baffled by this also, then I saw an article saying they took the elevator to the 31st floor and the stairs to the 32nd, which makes a lot more sense time-wise.

There have been several versions so who knows for sure what's true, but this seems like a reasonable explanation.


Snipped:
http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/10/12/resort-disputes-police-timeline-of-las-vegas-shooting/amp/

-In my opinion this is filled with crafted word nonsense and I can’t believe they think its going to stick.

“But MGM Resorts International, which also owns the concert venue, said the time the security guard was reported shot is *wrong.
-What is the *right time?

“The 9:59 p.m. PDT time was derived from a Mandalay Bay report *manually created after the fact without the benefit of information we now have. We are now confident that the time stated in this report is not accurate,” MGM said.

-Manually created after the fact. Whether it was created before or after the fact, what does the report state? Who recorded that inaccurate report? Has it been made accurate now, subject to change?

Police were with *armed Mandalay Bay security officers* in the building when Campos first reported shots were fired over the radio, the statement said. The officers and the *armed security personnel* immediately responded to the 32nd floor, MGM said”.

-Who are the armed MB security officers that the Police were with?
And the armed security personnel?
Same people ‘officers and personnel’?
-I thought SG was not armed?

The lack of answers, especially about the timeline, seems all the more curious when, it would appear, many moments in the shooter’s dayslong preparation and the actual assault were captured by hotel video surveillance or by cameras the gunman himself installed in his suite and hallway.

-Waiting for this surveillance of the many moments to be released.

“There’s more than *20,000 moving parts associated with this investigation and it takes time,” the sheriff told CNN affiliate KLAS”

-20-200-20,000
 
  • #842
Updated 2 hrs 6 mins ago
http://abc7chicago.com/news/hotel-o...f-las-vegas-shooting-is-not-accurate/2527012/


MGM Resorts International, owner of the Mandalay Bay hotel, is disputing the latest official timeline released by police outlining the sequence of events leading up to the mass shooting in Las Vegas that left 58 people dead.

According to the latest official timeline, Paddock opened fire on a pair of hotel employees, security guard Jesus Campos and maintenance man Stephen Schuck, before taking aim at the concertgoers across the street. Both men called their dispatchers to report trouble, but neither the police account of the ensuing moments nor publicly transmitted police radio traffic indicate when the hotel security office dialed 911.

Campos was shot about six minutes before the rampage began, according to police, raising the question of whether precious minutes had been wasted in the chaos.

In a statement released on Thursday, however, MGM Resorts International said reports of a gap those initial calls and hotel security's response are based on an error in a "manually created" report that was compiled "without the benefit of information we now have."

"We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio," the statement reads. "Metro officers were together with armed Mandalay Bay security officers in the building when Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio. These Metro officers and armed Mandalay Bay security officers immediately responded to the 32nd floor."

Police say the current timeline will be revised again by Friday.

Hotel officials believe the response by casino staff was swift and saved lives, but the lawyer for one victim has begun asking the first uneasy questions as part of what is expected to be a rash of victims' lawsuits focused on the initial response by the hotel.

"Was 911 called? The whole chain of command seemed to be broken down here," said Mohammed "Mo" Aziz, a lawyer hired by shooting victim Paige Gasper. "For six minutes nothing happened, and then this criminal started shooting at innocent people."

Questions have put a new focus on the still-murky timeline for the moments leading up to the shooting. The shifting accounts from authorities first indicated a casino security guard was the last person to be shot before the shooter took his own life. Then they said he was the first to be injured.

Officers did not reach the 32nd floor until at least 18 minutes after Campos was shot in the thigh, according to the official timeline, and they appeared to have no idea he had been wounded at all before finding him.

"We have a security officer also shot in the leg on the 32nd floor. He's standing right by the elevator," a Las Vegas Metro policeman radioed, in a recorded transmission 20 minutes after Campos was hit by Paddock's gunfire.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo confirmed this fact publicly.

"They weren't aware of him being shot until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator," Lombardo said.

Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts told reporters Monday that police are still studying the timeline, but he does not think the lag was long under the circumstances.


"I don't think the delay, or the time lapse is that long -- in my opinion," Roberts said. "I think the security guard saved a lot of lives -- he interrupted this guy and sped up his plan, in my opinion."

In part, the response time may have been slowed by a decision to shut down the elevators, a move by hotel management described by Schuck in an NBC News interview. Some police had to climb an unknown number of flights of stairs carrying weapons and body armor.

At 10:16 p.m., an officer radioed his dispatch to "contact Mandalay Bay and have 'em shut down their elevators so he [the gunman] can't get mobile and we can take the stairs and block all the stair exits.

One officer was later heard on police radio traffic breathing heavily and announcing he'd made it up to the same level the gunfire was erupting from. "I'm in a stairwell on the 32nd floor," he says in a hushed voice.

Sgt. Mike Quick, a retired Las Vegas SWAT team veteran, said the Mandalay Bay is a sprawling property, with a number of impediments.

"That's a 3,000-plus room casino hotel, I mean that's a major resort eating up acres and acres of property,'he said. "So just parking and getting through the front doors is going to be an exercise in time."

-An exercise in “TIME”
 
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  • #844
What do they mean JC is gone?? Isn't there anyone protecting him? Did anyone find follow up?
 
  • #845
Also i don't find this in any MSM. Has this been verified??
 
  • #846
What does that mean? It says nothing. Or it says that they never had his approval that he would give an interview, because Fox News.

You... think they were teasing an interview the person they were interviewing had not agreed to? And the security guard's union president was making up that he had 4 other interviews that night?
 
  • #847
Also i don't find this in any MSM. Has this been verified??

The reporter that tweeted it is MSM (special reporter with ABC). MSM outlets themselves aren't reporting much new about this case at all.
 
  • #848
If you look closely at the picture, it looks to me like the bottom of the door is gone, too. The panel on the left side on the floor is not the bottom of the door. The panel design is the top of the door. (If compared to the closed door just right of it.)

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...o-piece-together-the-motives-behind-shooting/


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It looks to me like the door is lying on its side. What we see at the "top" is actually the detail along the sides of the door. That whole panel might be intact, but just lying on its side.

One can only see what is visible through the door's width.

IMO
 
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  • #850
[video=twitter;918759801156456449]https://twitter.com/abcWNN/status/918759801156456449[/video]

Awkward photo... But I guess he's still around?
 
  • #851
  • #852
[video=twitter;918759801156456449]https://twitter.com/abcWNN/status/918759801156456449[/video]

Awkward photo... But I guess he's still around?

When is this from? When I click it it says page not found


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  • #853
Snipped:
http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/10/12/resort-disputes-police-timeline-of-las-vegas-shooting/amp/

-In my opinion this is filled with crafted word nonsense and I can’t believe they think its going to stick.

“But MGM Resorts International, which also owns the concert venue, said the time the security guard was reported shot is *wrong.
-What is the *right time?

“The 9:59 p.m. PDT time was derived from a Mandalay Bay report *manually created after the fact without the benefit of information we now have. We are now confident that the time stated in this report is not accurate,” MGM said.

-Manually created after the fact. Whether it was created before or after the fact, what does the report state? Who recorded that inaccurate report? Has it been made accurate now, subject to change?

Police were with *armed Mandalay Bay security officers* in the building when Campos first reported shots were fired over the radio, the statement said. The officers and the *armed security personnel* immediately responded to the 32nd floor, MGM said”.

-Who are the armed MB security officers that the Police were with?
And the armed security personnel?
Same people ‘officers and personnel’?
-I thought SG was not armed?

The lack of answers, especially about the timeline, seems all the more curious when, it would appear, many moments in the shooter’s dayslong preparation and the actual assault were captured by hotel video surveillance or by cameras the gunman himself installed in his suite and hallway.

-Waiting for this surveillance of the many moments to be released.

“There’s more than *20,000 moving parts associated with this investigation and it takes time,” the sheriff told CNN affiliate KLAS”

-20-200-20,000
I saw that, too, that some security were armed. It is possible, though, that they have both armed and unarmed security. It sounds like security stationed in the casino are armed, but perhaps hotel security is not.

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  • #854
When is this from? When I click it it says page not found


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4:46 AM eastern was the post.

Not sure about the time of the actual photo.
 
  • #855
Where in the world is Jesus Campos?

The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock in the moments leading up to the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history was set to break his silence Thursday night with five television interviews, including one on Fox News, Campos' union president said.

Except when the cameras were about to roll, and media gathered in the building to talk to him, Campos reportedly bolted, and, as of early Friday morning, it wasn't immediately clear where he was.​
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/1...-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html

MSM article on Campos' "disappearance".
 
  • #856
I was baffled by this also, then I saw an article saying they took the elevator to the 31st floor and the stairs to the 32nd, which makes a lot more sense time-wise.

There have been several versions so who knows for sure what's true, but this seems like a reasonable explanation.

As far as I can tell, elevators were shut off. So they had to use the stairs all the way up.
 
  • #857
Security guards life is turned upside down, and he did nothing wrong as far as I can tell. If he doesn't want to give interviews, or does, it's up to him.
 
  • #858
[video=twitter;918759801156456449]https://twitter.com/abcWNN/status/918759801156456449[/video]

Awkward photo... But I guess he's still around?

-what photo are you referring to?
 
  • #859
Security guards life is turned upside down, and he did nothing wrong as far as I can tell. If he doesn't want to give interviews, or does, it's up to him.
I think it's less that he's not giving interviews, and more that he showed up to give an interview, was working with the union president, the union president turns around, and dude is gone. And it hasn't been made clear if anyone really knows where he is or not. If he was like "Look dudes, this is way too much for me, I gotta go" it would be a whole lot less weird.
 
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