NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[CARIIS]

Just strange

just saw front row stuff

totally different -- calm noone really did much no panic for the 200 minute video and throughout most of the shooting during that time frame

never seen that before

 

[possumheart]

Just strange

just saw front row stuff

totally different -- calm noone really did much no panic for the 200 minute video and throughout most of the shooting during that time frame

never seen that before

Good to keep one's perspective refreshed

 

[CARIIS]

Actually kinda pathetic - they will get away with this.

Its actually very similar to Paris believe it or not

Play around on YT.

the strip is long

Its just silly if ya just think about it and human behavior


Easiest way to visualize it is is like a highway with mile markers.

So MB is at mile marker one . Machine guns are not heard like at mile marker 3!


So MB starts at mile marker 1

panic.

SM people all over the strip are starting to hear ABOUT what is happening at mile marker 1.

Over time people at mile marker 2 , in sudden instant panic mode start running all over the place like they people were doing at MB.

Cause at MB people heard the shooting. and responded.

Couple miles away all of a sudden in another area far away from MB in an instant same stampede happens .

Suddenly. The only reason for people to behave that way is they too heard gunfire in the area there were at .

Pulse

I heard about as it was breaking . All of us here did not suddenly at the same time start going insane.

The only reason for there to be panic and instant running and hiding a mile and half away if for the cluster of people in that area to, for themselves is to hear gun fire .

There were episodes of panic and fleeing in spurts is way after they murdered Paddock .

Only logical conclusion is there were more - pretty simple actually than one shooter

The other folks just stepped out of a vehicle , fired a machine gun for 12 secs got in car and went down further and repeat

there goal was to just get the panic jazzed up down the strip

just logic!1

moo



IMO MB was primary , they wanted to blow up the airport for some reason to eff up or get back at Janet Air stuff.

The only way for people



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[bears10]

Ok, the other shooters. Were they all set up like Paddock and did they all just clean up the shells and smoke from the excessive firings and pack up their guns and check out the next day with their ten suitcases?

Right. And if the shooter was at the bellagio, and it’s been discussed here how far the bellagio is from MB, how was the second shooter able to shoot that far? It must have required a lot of accuracy. It’s been debated here that there’s no way the people at the bellagio who heard shots were hearing the shots fired by SP bc it was way too far away. So how was a shooter able to shoot from the bellagio to the concert. How were the concert goers able to hear the shots? It doesn’t fit with the statement that the people at the bellagio couldn’t possibly have been hearing SPs shots. Also, does the bellagio have any broken windows? JMO

 

[Cryptic]

We have nothing to go on as far as seeing his wages-forms-license-union. Is he full time-part time, contract employee, detail or 3rd party?

I strongly doubt he is a contract employee of any sort.

High end resorts and casinos prefer to hire and retain all people coming into contact with guests under their higher standards. Also to attract higher caliber employees, they usually provide a better working environment and don't want that filtered through a contractor.

Though there maybe some non company employees on site (rental car booths, some gift stores, high end mini mall stores), nearly everybody else is a direct employee. This is doubly so for hotel and casino operations. Even the commercial electricians, plumbers and h-vac mechanics are direct employees. Outside contractors are brought in only for large problems when staff tradesmen can't repair it.

 

[zencompass]

I just read this article (below) about a young woman, Elle Gargano, who was saved by strangers who drove her to the hospital.

This is another good news story about a victim recuperating well.

From article:

"On that Sunday night in Las Vegas, Elle Gargano was listening to country music at the Route 91 Harvest Festival when she was shot in the back of the head.""

"Her friend got her under the stage at the concert to protect her and fellow concertgoers helped get Elle over the fence and out of the festival grounds."

"Today, it's a miracle, Katie Gargano said, that Elle is out of the ICU and doing physical therapy."


Her parents want to locate the couple who took her to the hospital.

"Oh gosh, I would give them the biggest hug, a huge bear hug," she said. "And I just want them to know how much their swift reactions probably saved my daughter's life."



http://www.npr.org/2017/10/12/55725...victims-try-to-find-their-heroes-of-the-night

 

[deugirtni]

This is all so f'd up! It scares the out of me to watch the LV sheriff talking.. he seems nervous AF!!!!!!!!!!! (But meanwhile, he didn't seem that way in the beginning???!!!!!) What's with the FBI guy staring him down while sheriff is speaking? Where the heck is the security guard? Why are hardly any MSM reporting in regard to IS' claim of responsibility?

 

[m00c0w]

Apparently Lombardo doesn't have a penchant for figuring out motives in weirdly terrorist-like situations.

A 24-year-old woman who’d been living in a car with her 3-year-old daughter in Las Vegas killed one person and injured nearly three dozen others Sunday evening when she steered the vehicle onto a crowded Strip sidewalk at least twice, authorities said.

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said this morning that officials were still unclear why the driver, Lakeisha N. Holloway, allegedly plowed into pedestrians on the Strip. Lombardo said that although he did not believe the tragedy was an act of terrorism, that possibility hadn’t been completely ruled out, pending a more extensive review of Holloway’s background.

Speaking at a news conference carried live by CNN, Lombardo described a horrific scene in which pedestrians were struck by the car while others jumped on the vehicle, pounded on the windshield and tried to open the doors in an attempt to subdue Holloway. The Clark County coroner identified the woman who died as Jessica Valenzuela, 32, of Buckeye, Ariz., and officials said 35 pedestrians were injured.​

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/dec/21/why-motive-sought-after-pedestrians-mowed-down-alo/

[video=twitter;679003688577269760]https://twitter.com/WillCarrFNC/status/679003688577269760[/video]

:twocents:

 

[vlpate]

I'm not there yet. I am still trying to find evidence that Paddock was the lone shooter. Video in the hallways would answer a lot of questions.

They do not have video in the hallways at Mandalay Bay - unless you mean the camera SP set up...which I also would like to see

 

[Gone Girl]

Apparently Lombardo doesn't have a penchant for figuring out motives in weirdly terrorist-like situations.

A 24-year-old woman who’d been living in a car with her 3-year-old daughter in Las Vegas killed one person and injured nearly three dozen others Sunday evening when she steered the vehicle onto a crowded Strip sidewalk at least twice, authorities said.

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said this morning that officials were still unclear why the driver, Lakeisha N. Holloway, allegedly plowed into pedestrians on the Strip. Lombardo said that although he did not believe the tragedy was an act of terrorism, that possibility hadn’t been completely ruled out, pending a more extensive review of Holloway’s background.

Speaking at a news conference carried live by CNN, Lombardo described a horrific scene in which pedestrians were struck by the car while others jumped on the vehicle, pounded on the windshield and tried to open the doors in an attempt to subdue Holloway. The Clark County coroner identified the woman who died as Jessica Valenzuela, 32, of Buckeye, Ariz., and officials said 35 pedestrians were injured.​

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/dec/21/why-motive-sought-after-pedestrians-mowed-down-alo/

[video=twitter;679003688577269760]https://twitter.com/WillCarrFNC/status/679003688577269760[/video]

:twocents:

Excellent find Moo!! This Sherrif is feeding the conspiracy IMO. The investigation was botched early by the flip flop nature of his statements. Initially, he said Girlfriend was not POI then changed his mind; can’t get timeline straight but jumps the gun giving accolades to JC. On and on. IMO, give the pertinent info, say up front you do not know, and wait before patting anyone on the back. This is a tragedy of epic proportion. Victims and public at large deserve utmost clarity that there is absolutely no further threat. Finish your investigation, then pat people on the back. I don’t predict a long future as Sheriff for this man.

 

[m00c0w]

Let's try addressing this tidbit from the previous thread again:

We disagree. It happens. Why are you trying to make it seem as though MGM fired him when there's no evidence to support that? Why are you trying to imply the labor union he belongs to is up to something nefarious when there's also nothing to suggest that?

Campos is a victim, not a suspect. This is a victim-friendly forum.

Can you please link to where I have stated or tried to imply that MGM fired him? I was simply pointing out that your accounting of events was extremely at odds with what actually happened.

What you posted was:

No, MGM was "helping" him. Union guys were sent out of the room and MGM took him away. They're the ones who made him vanish.​

The citation you posted to back up this account said:

On Thursday at about 1 p.m., Hickey said he and the union’s local president took a meeting with MGM officials in the bedroom, while Campos, the other union member and a security guard hired by MGM to protect Campos waited in the living room.

At 2 p.m., when Hickey emerged from the meeting, he said Campos and the other people were gone.

Hickey said he called and texted the other union member. The only response he received is that Campos was being taken to a Quick Care health clinic.​

What I am pointing out, and rightly so, is that you unequivocally claimed that MGM was responsible for his disappearance while union reps were sent out of the room. The actuality is that MGM wasn't in the room with him, only a union rep and a security guard, when he disappeared. Union guys weren't "sent out of the room", and MGM didn't "[take] him away." Pointing out this discrepancy is not claiming he's been fired in any way, nor is it trying to claim that the union is up to something nefarious. It's simply correcting the incorrect information being spread.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

The union does not provide a full list of members at their web site. That's why you didn't find his name there.

You will note at the web site that the union recently gave him an award for his heroism. Article with photos

http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html

This article has been posted here before.



That was very nice of them.

ETA: Can you please provide a link for your quotes above, allegedly from a victim's father? TIA

He looks about as excited as someone who was just handed a dead cat.

 

[Gone Girl]

http://time.com/4977048/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-concerns/

This is why the timeline and getting facts straight matters!! These poor people:

“Nicole Rapp, whose mother was knocked to the ground and trampled by panicked concertgoers as bullets rained from above, said she's "having a hard time wrapping my head around" why police changed the timeline of the shooting.
"It's very confusing to me that they are just discovering this a week later," she said. "How did we not know this before? It's traumatic for the victims and their families not to be sure of what happened."

IMO, once the class action and individual suits are filed we will learn the truth and depths of the negligence on the part of MGM and LE. Here’s a preview: can’t even align their time keeping devices:

“Fasulo explained the change in the timeline by saying that dozens of investigators have been using different sources of information — including surveillance video, computers, police body cameras, cellphones and interviews — and that not all clocks were in sync.“

 

[Cryptic]

IMO, once the class action and individual suits are filed we will learn the truth and depths of the negligence on the part of MGM and LE. Here’s a preview: can’t even align their time keeping devices:

The fact that the dozens of time keeping devices around that event and the memories of hundred of humans were not in perfect synchronization with each other (apparently varied by up to what- 5 minutes?) in no way demonstrates negligence by either the casino or police.

MGM could easily have afforded to take care of each of the casualties, ensure they receive the best of medical care and take care of all their relatives in comfort.. a gesture that would save them billions in litigation..

Lawsuits filed under what justification? The person responsible for this crime is SP. There is no reasonable action that MGM could have done to prevent the attack. Once the attack started, it was responded to as fast as possible. The fact that MGM has deep pockets does not change anything.

 

[m00c0w]

Lawsuits filed under what justification? The person responsible for this crime is SP. There is no reasonable action that MGM could have done to prevent the attack. Once the attack started, it was responded to as fast as possible. The fact that MGM has deep pockets does not change anything.

RSBM

A California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice gunman Stephen Paddock's behavior in several instances.

Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.​

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/us/las-vegas-shooting-lawsuit/index.html

I guess we'll see.

 

[canadiangirl]

This is all so f'd up! It scares the out of me to watch the LV sheriff talking.. he seems nervous AF!!!!!!!!!!! (But meanwhile, he didn't seem that way in the beginning???!!!!!) What's with the FBI guy staring him down while sheriff is speaking? Where the heck is the security guard? Why are hardly any MSM reporting in regard to IS' claim of responsibility?

Because like you said it's seriously messed up.. Just another day in Sin city it feels like. Media feels pretty non chalant about it all.

No one is really upset about the timeline being botched except "CT" (sarcasm) and victims IMO and people only believe what the media is telling them.. Any real accounts from people there mean nothing if they mention anything remotely different.

The more you hear the same thing over and over and over, the more people believe it.
For example, "lone shooter", and people who believe otherwise are "crazy" , the more that is pumped into the general public the more everyone one believes it and just stops trying to figure it out. It becomes gospel.

As someone said before, it's a well known tactic LE lie on purpose during investigations. For their own agenda. Whether that be to have more information come out, find others involved or just to help the investigation itself.

I'm not sure why that's so hard to believe it could be the case here. MOO


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[Cryptic]

A California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

I guess we'll see.​

I guess I am the last person that such a litigator would want on a jury.​

 

[MistyWaters]

Just strange

just saw front row stuff

totally different -- calm noone really did much no panic for the 200 minute video and throughout most of the shooting during that time frame

never seen that before

I may have watched the same 10 minute video however it wasn't time stamped. People were exiting through a fenced area that was shielded with black plastic to shroud the interior? If it's the same one you're referring to, it's likely it was taken hours later as people were allowed out of lock down.

".....said she and other concert-goers were herded into the banquet hall of a nearby hotel shortly after Paddock opened fire.
“We were going to leave the show and within two minutes before we left, it started… the gunfire started,” she said.
“You kind of felt like a sitting duck because you didn’t know what was going on. You couldn’t see the TVs… We didn’t know at the time so we just had to sit and wait and hope for the best and pray for everyone that was out there.”
Odovic, a GTA resident, told CP24 that they were held in a lockdown position until about 6 a.m. Monday.
Once freed, she said they had to walk through the shooting scene in order to get their hotels.
“There was so much going on. It was a little bit surreal because you were looking at other people and they were asking how to get to their hotels, like people were very lost,” she said. “A lot of people were in shock.”
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/it-just-k...eir-narrow-escape-from-vegas-terror-1.3617056

 

[canadiangirl]

I may have watched the same 10 minute video however it wasn't time stamped. People were exiting through a fenced area that was shielded with black plastic to shield the interior? If it's the same one you're referring to, it's likely it was taken hours later as people were allowed out of lock down.

".....said she and other concert-goers were herded into the banquet hall of a nearby hotel shortly after Paddock opened fire.
“We were going to leave the show and within two minutes before we left, it started… the gunfire started,” she said.
“You kind of felt like a sitting duck because you didn’t know what was going on. You couldn’t see the TVs… We didn’t know at the time so we just had to sit and wait and hope for the best and pray for everyone that was out there.”
Odovic, a GTA resident, told CP24 that they were held in a lockdown position until about 6 a.m. Monday.
Once freed, she said they had to walk through the shooting scene in order to get their hotels.
“There was so much going on. It was a little bit surreal because you were looking at other people and they were asking how to get to their hotels, like people were very lost,” she said. “A lot of people were in shock.”
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/it-just-k...eir-narrow-escape-from-vegas-terror-1.3617056

Bbm
Has anyone found when it was stated there was a lone shooter dead?
Because I keep seeing this over and over that people were held in lock down until the early morning (6am)
Why were these people held so long if the only threat was long dead before midnight?
Also why were people allowed to walk through a crime scene afterwards?
How horrifying for them. Brutal
Also, if I heard this as a loved one of a victim I'd be extremely upset.
Nice respect of the dead.
Then again, 3 days bodies were sitting in the Vegas sun.

MOO


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[x_files]

Excellent find Moo!! This Sherrif is feeding the conspiracy IMO. The investigation was botched early by the flip flop nature of his statements. Initially, he said Girlfriend was not POI then changed his mind; can’t get timeline straight but jumps the gun giving accolades to JC. On and on. IMO, give the pertinent info, say up front you do not know, and wait before patting anyone on the back. This is a tragedy of epic proportion. Victims and public at large deserve utmost clarity that there is absolutely no further threat. Finish your investigation, then pat people on the back. I don’t predict a long future as Sheriff for this man.

Maybe the Sheriff thinks the less we know the better?