NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[vlpate]

My question is, why wasn't JC included in this meeting...it was about scheduling his appearances.

"Hickey said he was attending a meeting with MGM representatives in one room of the suite as Campos waited with a security guard — hired by MGM — and another union member in the living room."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-jesus-campos-vegas-20171016-story.html

 

[Jax49]

Not sure when Snopes wrote this but he is missing
"Hickey said he was attending a meeting with MGM representatives in one room of the suite as Campos waited with a security guard — hired by MGM — and another union member in the living room."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-jesus-campos-vegas-20171016-story.html

Is there an issue with quote? I didn't make the "My question is" comment.

As far as the Snopes piece, I believe it was written after the articles from earlier that claim his is missing. moo

ETA: If I was unfortunate enough to be labeled a murder because I got shot, I would be "missing", also. Family would know location but not the public.

 

[human]

From the onset I have never understood any of this union stuff.

For a week and half he was a hero --
yet management felt he needed 24/7 instantly.

Heros dont need an army guarding him.

Those that say there are tons of people who want to hurt him - no one has accused him of anything.



The real question IMO here ought to be why and who are paying for 24/7 coverage from the beginning

from the beginning

for some reason that is being ignored now and was never asked in the beginning -- why does a shot employee need the secret service type stuff??

Because - at some level someone wants him something not discovered ............ its actually not protecting him its protecting others by keeping him from talking

that ought to be clear by the last minute flee from the media -- that according to the union dude befuddled him as well.

They had just spent days grooming him for for interviews and poof

that does not sound like his personal choice to me

at the last minute some entity with power intervened,

Unless someone is a millionaire most people do not have the financial capability to just vanish.

Someone is housing him . Why is some entity housing him ?

They have not even come out on there own and said jesus has decided.....................

the way it is left is he vanished and no one knows where he is

In regular life that is called a missing person!

LE usually intervenes when people vanish!

Its insane stuff

During Pulse did we see an FBI dude lurking about and not saying a word?

What is FBI purpose .

Trust your gut. The FBI behavior from day one has been atypical from the get go.

moo

There have been instances even on here where people indicate he was a shooter. Then there was that fake CNN report saying he was arrested.

There are multiple people on here saying there was more than one shooter.

There were multiple people asking what he was doing in all of those minutes.

There were people posting the video from the cab,

Why would anyone think that he was not receiving multiple threats on his life? It would be more astounding to think that he was not receiving death threats.

He is a security guard. I doubt if he is living in a gated community or has the funds to go live anywhere else.

Remember the fun Richard Jewell had and that was before the internet.

 

[zencompass]

I wish that the authorities would make a statement that the security guard is safe and that's all they can say during this investigation.

In my opinion, this would help alleviate anxiety and uncertainty felt by the public.

The public is accustomed to hearing facts and having details analyzed as has happened after "terrorist" horrid events.

Perhaps this is causing anxiety as opposed to people believing in "conspiracy theories". Maybe the l.e. need to expand on their belief that they found proof there were no other shooters.

Maybe it's just this that the investigation can expand on - more details, more analyses but more importantly - let the public know that the security guard is safe somewhere. In my opinion, this can only help relieve anxiety and worry.

e.t.a. There will always be 'conspiracy theories' but in this case perhaps the public needs more reassurance from the police investigation. This is only my opinion.

 

[vlpate]

Is there an issue with quote? I didn't make the "My question is" comment.

As far as the Snopes piece, I believe it was written after the articles from earlier that claim his is missing. moo

ETA: If I was unfortunate enough to be labeled a murder because I got shot, I would be "missing", also. Family would know location but not the public.

So sorry...there was some sort of technical issue with that post...I removed it

 

[human]

Knowing 4 women that were there but not at the concert, I know they have PTSD. They were off doing different things. Two women were a block away when people started running and screaming. They started running too but they did not know why.

Then people started screaming that there was an active shooter.

They had no idea where the shooter was. They ran and hid.

There is some more to the story but the point is that one of the women was paralyzed with fear. She could not talk, move, or think. Her friend pulled her along.

No bullets flying by them. No dead bodies by them.

Think of the ones who were at the concert. They are in total meltdown and to think that someone not used to living in a war zone can think and remember accurately is absurd.

Think about how well you remember in the best of times.

My husband and I had a discussion one time about a car we saw in a driveway. We each had a view on the color and model. We went back and looked at it and we were both wrong. We each thought the car was attractive, That is why we paid attention to it in the first place

 

[Jax49]

So sorry...there was some sort of technical issue with that post...I removed it

No problem. Figured it was WS being weird.

 

[human]

I wish that the authorities would make a statement that the security guard is safe and that's all they can say during this investigation.

In my opinion, this would help alleviate anxiety and uncertainty felt by the public.

The public is accustomed to hearing facts and having details analyzed as has happened after "terrorist" horrid events.

Perhaps this is causing anxiety as opposed to people believing in "conspiracy theories". Maybe the l.e. need to expand on their belief that they found proof there were no other shooters.

Maybe it's just this that the investigation can expand on - more details, more analyses but more importantly - let the public know that the security guard is safe somewhere. In my opinion, this can only help relieve anxiety and worry.

e.t.a. There will always be 'conspiracy theories' but in this case perhaps the public needs more reassurance from the police investigation. This is only my opinion.

I think most of the public has gone on with their lives and no longer thinks about this shooting,

I think those that love conspiracy are the ones who are making a big deal about it. The unfortunate people who have to torment Sandy Hook families still continue. For everyone else it is a horrific footnote. They have moved on.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Regarding Campos being "missing," until LE or his family say he's missing, he's not missing.

I mean, I have an elderly father who routinely cannot be reached by me, sometimes for days. He just got out of the hospital last week and the next day I could not find him. However, just because I didn't know where he was, he was not "missing" until and unless I could verify that other close family and his closest friends also did not know where he was. At that point, I may have texted my sister and said, "It appears Dad is missing because A, B, C, and D do not know where he is." But in fact, in checking with "D" as I was headed toward the town he was last known to be in, I found out he had plans to go somewhere for something specific.

I see nothing that says Campos' family, close friends, or LE are unaware of his location, are searching for him, or are concerned.

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[human]

Its amazing all you guys know all these people.

Then I thought that might be a problem.

In our day we had NBC ABC CBS-- that's it

The nightly news came on at 6 and 11

stories had no opinions -- just the facts

it was actually quite simple!!!

Not so simple. Remember the JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald shooting? Nixon and Watergate? Iran Contra? Bay of Pigs? Gulf of Tonkin? Tylenol killer? And more

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Knowing 4 women that were there but not at the concert, I know they have PTSD. They were off doing different things. Two women were a block away when people started running and screaming. They started running too but they did not know why.

Then people started screaming that there was an active shooter.

They had no idea where the shooter was. They ran and hid.

There is some more to the story but the point is that one of the women was paralyzed with fear. She could not talk, move, or think. Her friend pulled her along.

No bullets flying by them. No dead bodies by them.

Think of the ones who were at the concert. They are in total meltdown and to think that someone not used to living in a war zone can think and remember accurately is absurd.

Think about how well you remember in the best of times.

My husband and I had a discussion one time about a car we saw in a driveway. We each had a view on the color and model. We went back and looked at it and we were both wrong. We each thought the car was attractive, That is why we paid attention to it in the first place

I was in a stairwell when the 15 tornadoes hit Nashville years ago. Just when you thought it had passed and you were safe to go home, the radio would say that another was spotted in the direction you were headed. So we were terrified for hours, not knowing where to go.

While in that stairwell as the tornado took out the trees in the park across the street (killing someone) and hit the building next to us, it sounded to me like a plane flying on top if us, that kind of roar. Yet to other people it sounded like a train.

Who was right? I was able to live right next to a train for 15 years after this, yet I still duck when a plane flies low overhead. That's my PTSD from it all these years later. But I'm sure that others who were in the stairwell with me might have the same reaction to the sound of a train and not a plane as I do.

Point is that dozens of us had the same experience, yet the experience in our heads is quite different as to what it sounded like to us.

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[human]

From his clothing description, coupled with not caring how others' saw him, I would be surprised if on previous stays that S.P. had more than an overnight bag or a grocery bag with one change of clothes in it. From what I've read, S.P. did not care how others' saw him and in fact felt "superior" to others. According to descriptions of S.P, he would have no desire to impress anyone either with luggage or pants other than his sweatpants. .

I think the hotel staff were surprised when they saw how much luggage he had. He must have made a few trips with boxes and bags.

The authorities have likely turned up video with S.P. either at elevators or in the parking garage perhaps wheeling some luggage from his vehicle.

It is unfortunate that some hotel parking garage video depicting this couldn't have been made available by L.E. but I do believe that there won't be any forthcoming details or evidence.

As I have stated before, Las Vegas can't afford to have the public feel their hotels are not safe. This case is getting shut down by the power and money (billions) that lives there (and doesn't plan on moving!)

These are my own opinions.




https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.html

Hotels have thousands and thousands of guests. I imaginethat there is a lot of turnover in employees at the less desireable jobs.

I imagine an unattractive older man has nothing of interest to spark any need for memory, I imagine there may be a guest who is of interest now and again. I would rather bet guests blend into a huge mess of humanity

 

[MistyWaters]

Regarding Campos being "missing," until LE or his family say he's missing, he's not missing.

I mean, I have an elderly father who routinely cannot be reached by me, sometimes for days. He just got out of the hospital last week and the next day I could not find him. However, just because I didn't know where he was, he was not "missing" until and unless I could verify that other close family and his closest friends also did not know where he was. At that point, I may have texted my sister and said, "It appears Dad is missing because A, B, C, and D do not know where he is." But in fact, in checking with "D" as I was headed toward the town he was last known to be in, I found out he had plans to go somewhere for something specific.

I see nothing that says Campos' family, close friends, or LE are unaware of his location, are searching for him, or are concerned.

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Excellent point. The media with interview with the Union President is downright weird. It might be a case of bad reporting but If he was sincerely concerned about JC's "disappearance" he would be contacting LE, not the media. The only thing I get out of it is JC balked and chose not to keep Hickey in the loop, possibly because he was feeling too much pressure to do something he really didn't want to do in the first place. Hickey is now using the media to tattle. It makes JC look bad. What does Hickey expect, that the public actively track JC down to solve this disappearance? JC's an adult and Hickey is not his keeper. It's a poorly written story that opens up all sorts of rumours, almost as if either Hickey or the reporter is intentionally feeding wild speculation.

 

[Betty P]

Regarding Campos being "missing," until LE or his family say he's missing, he's not missing.

I mean, I have an elderly father who routinely cannot be reached by me, sometimes for days. He just got out of the hospital last week and the next day I could not find him. However, just because I didn't know where he was, he was not "missing" until and unless I could verify that other close family and his closest friends also did not know where he was. At that point, I may have texted my sister and said, "It appears Dad is missing because A, B, C, and D do not know where he is." But in fact, in checking with "D" as I was headed toward the town he was last known to be in, I found out he had plans to go somewhere for something specific.

I see nothing that says Campos' family, close friends, or LE are unaware of his location, are searching for him, or are concerned.

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Agree. The few articles about this are using old recycled quotes from days ago to keep the clicks going on their web sites. JC, his employer and union have decided to stop feeding those who are trying to profit from this tragedy by staying out of sight. It's sad they have to do this, but that's the nature of our reality tv, CT-mongering world. If his family and LE aren't concerned about it, neither am I, as long as his rights are being protected.

 

[Cryptic]

-Great point! Those are typically retained in a file for returning VIP guest. It would allow for on-going customized guest preferences based on their history. Can be as keen as “no use of scented anything to clean the room based on the guest profiled request”.

Good point about the level of detail in the VIP check in profile.

SP’s VIP profile could have also included casinoese notations for “high maintenance, also likes privacy”. Thus, SPs reserving and paying for the adjoining room, but not using it and his repeated use of the ‘Do Not Disturb’ door hanger could also have been consistent with past noted behavior.

Then factor in that high maintenance, type A people with quirks, pet peeves and the ability to pay for personal satisfaction are probably fairly common amongst casino VIPs and SP was really not going to stand out.

 

[CARIIS]

Excellent point. The media with interview with the Union President is downright weird. It might be a case of bad reporting but If he was sincerely concerned about JC's "disappearance" he would be contacting LE, not the media. The only thing I get out of it is JC balked and chose not to keep Hickey in the loop, possibly because he was feeling too much pressure to do something he really didn't want to do in the first place. Hickey is now using the media to tattle. It makes JC look bad. What does Hickey expect, that the public actively track JC down to solve this disappearance? JC's an adult and Hickey is not his keeper. It's a poorly written story that opens up all sorts of rumours, almost as if either Hickey or the reporter is intentionally feeding wild speculation.

I am not so sure Hickey is not a keeper of some sort!!

 

[MistyWaters]

This is the media report that has a truck pulling down the fence to help the crowd escape, through towards the airport. It also menions false reports of a shooter in the lobby of the Tropicana. At the time I can understand why the feeling that snipers were everywhere was very real.


Las Vegas shooting: the scramble to survive amid hail of gunshots

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/brea...e-to-survive-amid-hail-of-gunshots/ar-AAsPCjs

 

[Gooddeeds]

Dear Cariis,

I firmly believe that if this horrid shooting had happened anywhere other than Las Vegas then the investigation would be drastically different and far more transparent. In my opinion, this city is run like a powerful business, unlike other cities.

The money and power in Las Vegas control any narrative.

Whilst Las Vegas promotes "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" there is a corresponding but opposite message about "surveillance everywhere".

Las Vegas has been successful, up to now, in promoting its safety (surveillance everywhere) as well as the opposing message of a vacation spot where "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".

Although these two messages are opposite, (no one sees and everyone sees - what you do) they have worked together to create effective marketing for Las Vegas.

In the 2007 NYT article (below),

"The Strip is famous for its video surveillance of nearly every public inch of casino-resorts, scrutiny to which Mr. Young points as a deterrent “for any criminal who does not wish to be caught.”

juxtaposed with:

“It’s a vacation place,” Mr. McGoey said. “People don’t want to be walking around with passports or going through metal detectors or screenings. It’s always going to be a relatively soft target.”

In other words, the message from Vegas is that it is "safe" to do what you like as well as "you are being watched"

This is only my opinion.



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/us/03security.html

-Agree. Surveillance is a big issue because of the particular nuances to LV. In most other places it wouldn’t be. This is indigenously unique. Ive looked at some other massacre incidents where we have seen footage within a very short period of time.

-The inconsistency’s are rampant throughout starting at the beginning so that has caused the victims and general public to be uneasy. Looking for answers like we all do.

-I don’t think Campos is missing or that is trying to flee. The fact that he is the key witness and the timeline started with him-as far as we know, the changing stories have not helped him at all. Neither has the word ‘vanished’.

-It doesn’t appear he is getting the support that an employee who was shot warrants. I don’t know why he wouldn’t be included in the meeting, why shouldn’t he when it has to do with him? That’s why I found it odd that they specified a hotel room with a ‘bedroom and living room’. Otherwise they would have seen him if he tried to vanish. We barely heard anything about SP room in regards to bedrooms or a living area.

-He needs a good lawyer to sort it all out. I noticed his Go Fund is complete or closed at $37,000.

IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I am not so sure Hickey is not a keeper of some sort!!

Yes, he may not have intended to come across that way - that interviews can be twisted by reporters connecting unrelated phrases in a reality - but that he thinks he is JC's keeper is sure what it appears. As the President of a large union, JC at his side, the union protecting its employees and all that is a positive public statement and so now he's supremely niffed that his poster boy has absconded? That might be harsh but the tone of those media reports seems somewhat vindictive toward JC. JMO

 

[CARIIS]

Hotels rules for sec guards :

Must be licensed by the State of Nevada Private Investigators Board to conduct business as aprivate patrolman per Chapter 248 of the Nevada Revised Statutes. A copy of the licensemust be on file with the Mandalay Bay Security Manager’s office.2. Copy of current city/county business license on file with the Mandalay Bay SecurityManager’s office.

The name of supposed

company providing protection to Jesus is called On Scene at least that is what there shirts say -- have not be able to find an address of their office??

Copy of current Certificate of Insurance from Nevada State Industrial Insurance System onfile with the Mandalay Bay Security Manager’s office.

in a distinctive, professional type uniform approved by the Stateof Nevada Private Investigator’s Licensing Board and the Metropolitan Police Department.

so th