NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

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  • #181
I definitely agree that we need to keep an open mind and should always ask questions when what we're being told doesn't add up. I'm a firm believer in the notion that we should never believe anything that goes against our own common sense. There are still a few questions I have about how this event unfolded, as well.

I just have a hard time understanding the logic of those who think the whole thing is fake. I know the government is powerful; I just have a difficult time believing it has the power to completely stage a tragedy of this magnitude without the truth being revealed.

Oh, my. Are CT folk beginning to say this whole event never happened and was "staged" by the government? That's crazy. Some nuts try to say the same thing about the Sandy Hook massacre. From what I've read about the latter, these crazy online conspiracies are fomented by the pro-gun lobby.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ctively_encouraged_the_paranoid_fears_of.html

I didn't realize these same groups also pushed the same propaganda that the Aurora CO and Virginia Tech shootings were "fake". These people actually make big money from these horrible campaigns.
 
  • #182
I just wanna dig Paddock up.. at this stage I dont care about planes, conspiracies false flags daeshbags or any of the intercurrent theories..

Who was this guy. Apart from what he did in casinos?
What motivated him?
Why was his final act not a gamble too?

Agree. As horrible as this tragedy was, there's much we can learn from it. JMO, there's a lot we can learn from studying Paddock.
 
  • #183
GUys I feel compelled to say I feel embarrassed if the tv report was old too ( The drill stuff)

I am fine being wrong

but I am addicted to indictments today

I am not hiding !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #184
GUys I feel compelled to say I feel embarrassed if the tv report was old too ( The drill stuff)

I am fine being wrong

but I am addicted to indictments today

I am not hiding !!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Cariis..
(footnotes are where its at ref indictments)
 
  • #185
GUys I feel compelled to say I feel embarrassed if the tv report was old too ( The drill stuff)

I am fine being wrong

but I am addicted to indictments today

I am not hiding !!!!!!!!!!!!


-no worries! I’m sure everyone (myself included) has made accidental errors. If you start telling us it is October 2027 then we might have reason to pause;)
 
  • #186
Oh, my. Are CT folk beginning to say this whole event never happened and was "staged" by the government? That's crazy. Some nuts try to say the same thing about the Sandy Hook massacre. From what I've read about the latter, these crazy online conspiracies are fomented by the pro-gun lobby.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ctively_encouraged_the_paranoid_fears_of.html

I didn't realize these same groups also pushed the same propaganda that the Aurora CO and Virginia Tech shootings were "fake". These people actually make big money from these horrible campaigns.

I know... it's almost impossible to believe these types of people exist. I've seen a few people claim that the two planes that flew into the WTC on 9/11 were nothing more than holograms. Yeah, OK buddy. Those must have been some highly advanced holograms if the 5 million plus who lived in NYC at the time were all duped into believing they were real.
 
  • #187
We should understand that this was a huge crime scene, with many murdered and wounded. There are over 20,000 witnesses. It's been just under a month and it's an active investigation. I understand the public's desire for answers, but maybe we should give LE some time to investigate.

The FBI has taken over this investigation and they will control the narrative. Since Paddock didn't leave an official manifesto, they will never release a motive or even hint at the likely motive. I'm sure they have a good idea as to why he did this, or at least what he was so angry about, but it doesn't serve their purpose to release that information. A hard drive would not be required to piece things together, his ISP data would show a lot and NSA data much much more. They know MSM will move on to the next breaking news story or scandal and the concern over this tragedy will fade away. They also know the American public has a small attention span and people will go back to constantly checking their Facebook feed and texts. Maybe some day we will know all the details and what truly happened but I'm certainly not counting on it. (JMO)
 
  • #188
-no worries! I’m sure everyone (myself included) has made accidental errors. If you start telling us it is October 2027 then we might have reason to pause;)


It is not Oct 2027 you silly person it is 2020!

HOwever..............IMO .........

Hey mo has not changed at all in that senior citizen had nothing to do with the shooting , he was involved in arms trading for personal gain or was involved in a sting operation went wrong , that he was killed and became a Patsy.

people got killed , but imo not in this deranged senior citizen nonsense.

I think this is much more like the Batican night in Paris

Def more than one shooter- in a highly organized and skillfully done by snipers that had been highly trained with a perfectly executed escape plan

Might have been Iran COntra affair with violence

OR the folks that the sting was aimed at fould out about it and decided to address it - and while there might as well do some terrorism - hey your in a room with an arsenal and there are a bunch of Americans 1000 feet away in a pen

I believe the snipers were in a far more realistic location like on roofs around the concert area , were removed from the area in a very organized manner via the LVPS helicopter afterwards.

All the calls into dispatch about everything happening elsewhere were made by participants to spread out resources -- and it was effective.

They did not close the airport for a absurd length of time because they had to have the helicopter escape. Amazingly the airport was officially shut down after the helicopter scurried off into the night

Hard drives don't float away into the heavens IMO. Since they are so convinced it was removed after , unless there ghosts the only folks in the room were they guys that busted in.

And amazingly they were not SWAT --they were 4 gentlemen who do not typically engage in SWat activities.- from two different agencies - when is last time anything like ever happen. Never

The story floated by authorities is a horrible screenplay-I have never seen a Sheriff stalked by FBI before either!

hey omo and each is entitled to one!

RE: I just have a difficult time believing it has the power to completely stage a tragedy of this magnitude without the truth being revealed.

We did it in the Pentagon Papers. We did it in the Iran Contra Affair. There were never any WMD in Iran. We did the Manhattan Project Watergate was rife with govt deception, the FBI under Hoover was corrupt as can be -- the NSA lied to the public for decades about what data it was collecting -- a notion that our govt has not engaged in many many activities that were about abuse of power etc etc is not historically accurate imo

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  • #189
It is not Oct 2027 you silly person it is 2020!

HOwever..............IMO .........

Hey mo has not changed at all in that senior citizen had nothing to do with the shooting , he was involved in arms trading for personal gain or was involved in a sting operation went wrong , that he was killed and became a Patsy.

people got killed , but imo not in this deranged senior citizen nonsense.

I think this is much more like the Batican night in Paris

Def more than one shooter- in a highly organized and skillfully done by snipers that had been highly trained with a perfectly executed escape plan

Might have been Iran COntra affair with violence

OR the folks that the sting was aimed at fould out about it and decided to address it - and while there might as well do some terrorism - hey your in a room with an arsenal and there are a bunch of Americans 1000 feet away in a pen

I believe the snipers were in a far more realistic location like on roofs around the concert area , were removed from the area in a very organized manner via the LVPS helicopter afterwards.

All the calls into dispatch about everything happening elsewhere were made by participants to spread out resources -- and it was effective.

They did not close the airport for a absurd length of time because they had to have the helicopter escape. Amazingly the airport was officially shut down after the helicopter scurried off into the night

Hard drives don't float away into the heavens IMO. Since they are so convinced it was removed after , unless there ghosts the only folks in the room were they guys that busted in.

And amazingly they were not SWAT --they were 4 gentlemen who do not typically engage in SWat activities.- from two different agencies - when is last time anything like ever happen. Never

The story floated by authorities is a horrible screenplay-I have never seen a Sheriff stalked by FBI before either!

hey omo and each is entitled to one!
Two things. First, I assume that if he ditched the hard drive down a heat/AC duct, that could take some time to locate. If I did that in my house, I could probably find it in a day because it would go to the basement and eventually I could take the duct work apart until I found it. However, 32 floors up, a lot of that duct work is going to through walls and floors. Not as simple.

Second, I tried to read what you wrote carefully but am still confused. What helicopter???

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  • #190
Not to get too far into confusing innuendo, half-truth, and other things that cloud analytical modeling, before we run too far down this path of cover-up, establishing credible chronologies of events and actors would be useful.

There may be a cover-up. Or, there may be an odd mix of circumstances that don't add up.

One thing about immediate "false flag" or other conspiracy claims is that it creates a narrative that will direct interpretation to that end. Right now, and for the near-future, it is probably best to focus on clarifying information before anything else.

For example, I was watching a Gray Hughes video doing sound analysis of the hotel and why it would sound like there were more than one shooter. It made sense. But, is it the final answer?

We are still early in the developing body of information.
 
  • #191
I'm wondering if one of the reasons some are jumping on the fake and CT bandwagon and are obsessively focused on theories that somebody or something else MUST be to blame is because, by various descriptions of Paddock's lifestyle and net worth, to some, he may represent the epitome of success?

- no responsibilities, no ties, always in control, nobody nagging at him, plenty of money, doesn't have to work, owns lots of real estate, can live wherever he wants, does whatever when he feels like it, gambles and always wins, dresses how he wants without care of what other people think.........???

Reading comments including media reports, oh my goodness, lots of anger and nastiness and blame being directed toward others and everything EXCEPT toward the perpetrator. Seems he's close to becoming a victim as well....
 
  • #192
A Metropolitan Police Department officer accidentally discharged his weapon inside the Mandalay Bay gunman’s suite the night of the Oct. 1 mass shooting, the Clark County sheriff confirmed Monday.

The police firearm went off inside the suite sometime after officers made entry, the sheriff said. But the round or rounds were not fired in the same room where gunman Stephen Paddock was found dead with what has been described as a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...apon-in-las-vegas-gunmans-mandalay-bay-suite/

Why does it take one month for this info to be revealed?

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  • #193
This is really informative.
I just do not understand the 1% advantage.. what does it mean?
A 1% advantage means that either the gamble or house has a 1% maethmetical edge on the game. In the gambler's case, for every $100 that cycles through the machine, they will win $101.00. The trick is to find and maintain enough cash flow and also to play high stakes machines so the 1% advantage can add up. Likewise, a dual goal would be to increase the advantage to say 2%.
This is really informative.
Or inherent patterns within the machine itself/
When I lived in Greece I used to spend time with the old men playing backgammon- they were considered genius.. they could actually predict the dice... the odds on getting a 6 and a 2, for example..
The basis is that the card hands and wheel combinations in video gambling machines are not truly random in the mathematical sense. Truly random events are impossible for a computer to generate as the software is written by humans and relies on some basis for generating the events.

As casinos hate losing money, the software used is very complex and produces highly variable results. Even still, after years of mind numbing play an intelligent, perceptive person can start to piece together how the algorithms work.

This can be done formally via studying random number software, then to match what one observes playing the machine (Hey, this machine looks like it is using a Herman Randomstein algorithim. Hmm, I wonder if I do “G” after “X’ several hundred times, what could I learn?). Likewise, it can be done informally ie- After thousands of observations, the gambler realizes that after the machine is more likely to do “X” with bet “b”. Or, the machine rarely does “b” in response to “y and c”.

I suspect that most such players use the informal approach. Then factor in that some people are not only bright, but also have a higher than average ability to identify subtle patterns in a jumble of information. The casinos know that these "pros" exist and thus switch machines out, upload better software etc.

Interesting insights. Thanks! Even though some might master the algorithms and manage to eke out a 1% win over the house, it doesn't seem likely the gambler wins in the long run. I realize a lot of these people brag, but outside of comps, I imagine they're still losing money over time. That's probably why LV still keeps them around.

Good summary, and I think you are 100% right. Early card counters and systematic video slots / poker players may have done well (gotten a meaningful advantage by card counting or taking advantage of primitive computers with say, basic algorithms). But, as you stated, casinos hate losing money.

Thus new dealing techniques and the rotation and upgrading of video machines with new and better algorithms. Today, there are too many hard “ifs”: if the gambler plays perfectly, if they know the machine, if they have enough cash flow for dry spells due to algorithm changes and raw statistics, if they play long term.... .

In the end, as you state, even the “pros” lose in the long term. They may lose very slowly, but they still lose. If they “win”, they are really just winning comps. Then factor in that for every one pro that can win alot of comps while losing very slowly, there are alot more people who think they are "pros" when they are not.
 
  • #194
I'm wondering if one of the reasons some are jumping on the fake and CT bandwagon and are obsessively focused on theories that somebody or something else MUST be to blame is because, by various descriptions of Paddock's lifestyle and net worth, to some, he may represent the epitome of success?

- no responsibilities, no ties, always in control, nobody nagging at him, plenty of money, doesn't have to work, owns lots of real estate, can live wherever he wants, does whatever when he feels like it, gambles and always wins, dresses how he wants without care of what other people think.........???

Reading comments including media reports, oh my goodness, lots of anger and nastiness and blame being directed toward others and everything EXCEPT toward the perpetrator. Seems he's close to becoming a victim as well....

Are you talking about here at WS or just in general? As far as the "fake" and "hoax" claims... that happens in EVERY major event. Including events such as the California "wildfires". Welcome to 2017.
 
  • #195
Are you talking about here at WS or just in general? As far as the "fake" and "hoax" claims... that happens in EVERY major event. Including events such as the California "wildfires". Welcome to 2017.

In general, comments on media reports, public news facebook accts, everywhere. And yes I know conspiracy theories have become prevalavent. However those who are convinced of a CT don't appear to have any "motive" other than nothing can be believed and everything is faked. What I don't get is why?

If one gets to the point that nothing can be believed and everything is faked, then never ever can there be truth. I can't begin to imagine how such a philosophy impacts personal relationships as well but it sure can't be good.
 
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...apon-in-las-vegas-gunmans-mandalay-bay-suite/

Why does it take one month for this info to be revealed?

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IMO so they can pretend they releasing stuff and doing something about investigating this .
IMO the reality here is :

it took em two weeks to confirm JC left the country -- they knew while he placing his last suitcase in his truck

it took em longer to disclose that the hard drive was gone when they knew that far longer than that

Just like it took em days to tell the public that there was an eyewitness, then days later there was another eyewitness

Again the truth in 31 days we know nothing meaningful worth a anything than we knew the night it was breaking -- despite having allegedly, 100's of investigators "on" it'

Unless there is a leak this is all were gonna ever know imo

what significance is this ? Does it help anyone learn anything more -- nah its a breadcrumb,,,meaninglessness

just being played around with imo and they are getting away with it .............sad
 
  • #198
31 day in to San Bern we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into:

Pulse we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into :

Aurora we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into

Manchester we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into

Fort Hood we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into

Nice we knew so much more than this "investigation"
 
  • #199
31 day in to San Bern we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into:

Pulse we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into :

Aurora we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into

Manchester we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into

Fort Hood we knew so much more than this "investigation"

31 days into

Nice we knew so much more than this "investigation"

There weren't 22,000 witnesses in any of those shootings, or 22,000 people directly affected by them.

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  • #200
For example , this far out in Pulse we had publically :




Los Vegas:

It happened.
 
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