NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[kittythehare]

I’m aware of the eyewitnesses and their interviews - I live in NY, I am watching local news. The eyewitnesses knew the perps name?

I have no idea where aBC first obtained the news.. why not ask them yourself?

 

[bears10]

I have no idea where aBC first obtained the news.. why not ask them yourself?

lol because I don’t care where they got their info, but I highly doubt it’s from an eyewitness taking the perps wallet and checking his license.

 

[canadiangirl]

Anyone catching up with the Las Vegas tragic happenings, it might be interesting to know that initially the wrong person was identified to be the perpetrator by social media. It's astounding how quickly false news can spread. See how --

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-las-vegas-shooter/?utm_term=.7f29935972c2

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[kittythehare]

lol because I don’t care where they got their info, but I highly doubt it’s from an eyewitness taking the perps wallet and checking his license.

Where did you see that I said that?

 

[bears10]

Where did you see that I said that?

You were talking about how the media handled the immediate reporting, including how they reported his name right away. Then discussed the eyewitnesses that were there who gave info. Obviously eyewitnesses could not have know this guys name on their own. I’m just saying you can’t compare the immediate aftermath in Vegas to NY. NYPD is way more prepared and trained to deal with the aftermath of a terrorist attack - and that includes dealing with and releasing info to MSM.

I have a strong feeling the NY aftermath is going to be handled a lot differently than the Vegas aftermath in regards to information provided to the press. Just completely different situations.

 

[mrtnira]

You were talking about how the media handled the immediate reporting, including how they reported his name right away. Then discussed the eyewitnesses that were there who gave info. Obviously eyewitnesses could not have know this guys name on their own. I’m just saying you can’t compare the immediate aftermath in Vegas to NY. NYPD is way more prepared and trained to deal with the aftermath of a terrorist attack - and that includes dealing with and releasing info to MSM.

I have a strong feeling the NY aftermath is going to be handled a lot differently than the Vegas aftermath in regards to information provided to the press. Just completely different situations.

I suspect what you are getting at is that New York has a history of major injury accidents, large fires, and other public security events, and that as a result they are more practiced at public relations within this context? I think you are correct, if my understanding is right.

 

[bears10]

I suspect what you are getting at is that New York has a history of major injury accidents, large fires, and other public security events, and that as a result they are more practiced at public relations within this context? I think you are correct, if my understanding is right.

Yes, thanks for stating it more clearly than I was able to.

 

[MistyWaters]

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I'm not a subscriber either so I don't know what that's about. Anyway here's another link, same story:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/n...ng-geary-danley-stephen-paddock-20171002.html

 

[bears10]

I'm not a subscriber either so I don't know what that's about. Anyway here's another link, same story:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/n...ng-geary-danley-stephen-paddock-20171002.html

I’m watching NYC coverage but it applies... a former cia operative just said “the first news is always wrong”. I think it’s fair to say that most of the time there are incorrect reports that can spread quickly. It’s not nefarious, it’s just due to chaos and a rush to be the first to report.

 

[Gooddeeds]

well, he killed 8 people, injured several and there is footage of him running off after attack. Shot in stomach by NYPD. alive. he is 29. In uSA since 2010,
Unusually ISIS called for attacks on October 31 st. This is unusual, generally they call for attacks on specific locations but they do not date them..
Best thing to do after initial reports is to wait a few days until hysteria dies down and try to extricate some facts..
Sad sad day again.. Sad sad world.

-very sad. I mentioned his alleged weapons in an extreme contrast to SP, yet resulting in the same-extreme sadness.

 

[kittythehare]

I suspect what you are getting at is that New York has a history of major injury accidents, large fires, and other public security events, and that as a result they are more practiced at public relations within this context? I think you are correct, if my understanding is right.

A lot of people study terrorism and CT which stands for counter terrorism and CVE which stands for countering violent extremism.
They are not all US citizens and they are not all citizens of whatever city experienced the atrocity either.
It is not considered necessary.

The purpose of my off topic post was to try to bring peoples' awareness t o the way news is disseminated, interpreted but more importantly, in light of the discussion here today was to point out the conspiracy theorists and the racists and the Islamophobes who jumped on the bandwagon within 5 minutes following first report.
I was referring to chaos, not apportioning blame on either media or NYPD..

In short I was trying to bring peoples' attention to the fires being lit.. the self serving propaganda fires.
It was not my intention to light another fire here or to respond to derision and sarcasm as a result of my initial post.

 

[kittythehare]

-very sad. I mentioned his alleged weapons in an extreme contrast to SP, yet resulting in the same-extreme sadness.

I understood that Gooddeeds.. Thanks.

 

[Gooddeeds]

A lot of people study terrorism and CT which stands for counter terrorism and CVE which stands for countering violent extremism.
They are not all US citizens and they are not all citizens of whatever city experienced the atrocity either.
It is not considered necessary.

The purpose of my off topic post was to try to bring peoples' awareness t o the way news is disseminated, interpreted but more importantly, in light of the discussion here today was to point out the conspiracy theorists and the racists and the Islamophobes who jumped on the bandwagon within 5 minutes following first report.
I was referring to chaos, not apportioning blame on either media or NYPD..

In short I was trying to bring peoples' attention to the fires being lit.. the self serving propaganda fires.
It was not my intention to light another fire here or to respond to derision and sarcasm as a result of my initial post.

-I understood it Kitty, thank you for the info.

 

[mrtnira]

Kitty, thank you. Understood.

 

[canadiangirl]

I suspect what you are getting at is that New York has a history of major injury accidents, large fires, and other public security events, and that as a result they are more practiced at public relations within this context? I think you are correct, if my understanding is right.

Well wasn't it said here most incidents on the Vegas strip are kept under wraps?

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[bluesneakers]

Well wasn't it said here most incidents on the Vegas strip are kept under wraps?

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Not when a woman drove into people on the strip one night. That was all over the news and there's a thread here too.

 

[mrtnira]

Well wasn't it said here most incidents on the Vegas strip are kept under wraps?

Canadiangirl, that is a good point. From an official and business point of view, in a tourist hot spot it makes sense not to advertise trouble. It would be bad for business. (That part of it slipped my mind completely. Thank you for that suggestion.)

 

[canadiangirl]

Not when a woman drove into people on the strip one night. That was all over the news and there's a thread here too.

Some are yes. That was out in the open. Kinda of hard not to report. How many murders, robberies, assaults etc happen INSIDE hotels that we don't have knowledge of? Moo

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[Gooddeeds]

Some are yes. That was out in the open. Kinda of hard not to report. How many murders, robberies, assaults etc happen INSIDE hotels that we don't have knowledge of? Moo

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-It’s the reason for the selective-ambiguity on surveillance. An attorney that is familiar with LV and all that comes with it mentioned in cases where there is financial divide that the hotels protect themselves from getting in the middle ‘bad press-whistleblower’. It was explained the way they do it is with extreme surveillance of financial accounting, dates, whereabouts (type of gambling), etc. Basically there is a footprint no matter what, protecting the hotel from the ‘he said she said’ trail. When it becomes a depot matter, it depends on the integrity of the parties involved.

 

[bluesneakers]

Some are yes. That was out in the open. Kinda of hard not to report. How many murders, robberies, assaults etc happen INSIDE hotels that we don't have knowledge of? Moo

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Do you live in Las Vegas? Follow Las Vegas news? What numbers do have that show murders happening inside hotels that aren't reported? That seems like a very serious accusation to make without some facts to back it up.