NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

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  • #281
Do you live in Las Vegas? Follow Las Vegas news? What numbers do have that show murders happening inside hotels that aren't reported? That seems like a very serious accusation to make without some facts to back it up.
Hi Bluesneakers. My post said MOO. However I don't recall hearing a whole lot about incidents happening inside hotels in Las Vegas. Whereas in other cities (ex. Chicago) you hear about a shooting every minute and the details and reports and footage (not sure if you followed the recent case of Keeneka Jenkins that happened at the Crowne Plaza. I follow the news. Not just Las Vegas news. Not sure if you are aware, however Las Vegas is a very big tourist destination from Canada. Anyone on the west coast gets very cheap deals.. As does anyone who lives in a border city near Detroit, Buffalo etc. I paid $350 per person for air and 4 nights hotel in Vegas. The cost to get there is cheap because they want tourists to spend the money in the casinos. That is well known. Look at all the comps players get. Hosts are constantly trying to entice players... I'm not sure how many would want to go if they felt unsafe inside the hotel they were staying and spending their money at. Again all MOO

ETA I'm not sure how I would obtain unreported information?
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  • #282
gun room
http://nypost.com/2017/10/06/vegas-shooter-showed-off-his-gun-room-to-houseguest/

He liked country music, relatives said
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/02/las-vegas-gunman-liked-to-gamble-listened-to-country-music-lived-quiet-retired-life-before-massacre/?utm_term=.47ef0ee32a31

Amassing arsenal
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooter-bought-33-guns-last-12-months/730634001/

So you have one person making unfalsifiable claims, that no one else has made about the shooter.

You have unnamed relatives asserting he liked country music, which is the only mention of him liking country music in the media.

And you have a known that he amassed a lot of guns.

None of this factually makes him a gun-loving, country-music-loving, conservative. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. They’re not entitled to act like these are facts and people need to accept what amounts to hearsay at face value.

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  • #283
So you have one person making unfalsifiable claims, that no one else has made about the shooter.

You have unnamed relatives asserting he liked country music, which is the only mention of him liking country music in the media.

And you have a known that he amassed a lot of guns.

None of this factually makes him a gun-loving, country-music-loving, conservative. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. They’re not entitled to act like these are facts and people need to accept what amounts to hearsay at face value.

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Do you somehow find it offensive that he is described by those who knew him as a gun collector who enjoyed country music?

I have a gun and like country music but for some reason this does not bother me and I don't have the urge to yell "show proof!" at the friends and family who have said so.

Not everything is a battle.

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  • #284
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...apon-in-las-vegas-gunmans-mandalay-bay-suite/

Why does it take one month for this info to be revealed?

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Also from article...
"Lombardo also confirmed Monday that the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, where the gunman’s corner suite was located, did not have security cameras facing the gunman’s suite or the stairwell door that Paddock had apparently sealed sometime before the shooting. The only cameras on the floor faced the elevators."

I know this has already been discussed here, and I read the article that was written several years ago that stated only a handful of hotels along the strip have cameras in their hallways, but what I can't figure out is WHY???

With the amount of money that flows in and out of LV, I assumed every hotel on that strip had cameras filming every square inch of the property 24/7/52/365. I think it's donkey kong that they don't! I mean, I live in little ole rinky dink Myrtle Beach and all the hotels here have cameras in their hallways. The police are always asking for the public's help with ID'ing a suspect by having the news show hotel camera footage and/or still images.

Every single one of those hotels should have wall-to-wall coverage on every square inch accessed by the public. What's the freaking point of having a camera in the hallway that faces the elevator but not the stairwell? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's completely worthless. Don't want to be seen? That's cool. Just take the elevator to the 31st or 33rd floor and use the stairwell to enter the hallway on the 32nd. Easy peasy.

This just confirms that LE has no way in hell of knowing when/where SP came/went during his stay at the MB. They can't even be sure he had no visitors for that matter!
 
  • #285
Also from article...
"Lombardo also confirmed Monday that the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, where the gunman’s corner suite was located, did not have security cameras facing the gunman’s suite or the stairwell door that Paddock had apparently sealed sometime before the shooting. The only cameras on the floor faced the elevators."

I know this has already been discussed here, and I read the article that was written several years ago that stated only a handful of hotels along the strip have cameras in their hallways, but what I can't figure out is WHY???

With the amount of money that flows in and out of LV, I assumed every hotel on that strip had cameras filming every square inch of the property 24/7/52/365. I think it's donkey kong that they don't! I mean, I live in little ole rinky dink Myrtle Beach and all the hotels here have cameras in their hallways. The police are always asking for the public's help with ID'ing a suspect by having the news show hotel camera footage and/or still images.

Every single one of those hotels should have wall-to-wall coverage on every square inch accessed by the public. What's the freaking point of having a camera in the hallway that faces the elevator but not the stairwell? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's completely worthless. Don't want to be seen? That's cool. Just take the elevator to the 31st or 33rd floor and use the stairwell to enter the hallway on the 32nd. Easy peasy.

This just confirms that LE has no way in hell of knowing when/where SP came/went during his stay at the MB. They can't even be sure he had no visitors for that matter!
Sounds like a hotel thieve's paradise.
How are they even covered by insurance when they have no record of people being on the floor, let alone a room?
I find it extremely hard to believe there were no cameras on the floors. what if a guest tripped and fell, became ill etc?
How would the management know when to direct housekeeping to remove a food trolley?

Why was the food trolley not removed immediately?
Fire regulations usually demand corridors and common ways are kept clear?
A good housekeeping dept would ensure they are at least tracked and somebody sent to remove them..
He seemed confident that trolley would remain until LE appeared.. which could have taken quite a while as nobody knew where the shots were coming from, as per his plan.
Lots off inconsistencies.. lots of stuff suggests haphazardness...a kind that is not evident in big expensive hotels
worldwide.
 
  • #286
Also from article...
"Lombardo also confirmed Monday that the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, where the gunman’s corner suite was located, did not have security cameras facing the gunman’s suite or the stairwell door that Paddock had apparently sealed sometime before the shooting. The only cameras on the floor faced the elevators."

I know this has already been discussed here, and I read the article that was written several years ago that stated only a handful of hotels along the strip have cameras in their hallways, but what I can't figure out is WHY???

With the amount of money that flows in and out of LV, I assumed every hotel on that strip had cameras filming every square inch of the property 24/7/52/365. I think it's donkey kong that they don't! I mean, I live in little ole rinky dink Myrtle Beach and all the hotels here have cameras in their hallways. The police are always asking for the public's help with ID'ing a suspect by having the news show hotel camera footage and/or still images.

Every single one of those hotels should have wall-to-wall coverage on every square inch accessed by the public. What's the freaking point of having a camera in the hallway that faces the elevator but not the stairwell? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's completely worthless. Don't want to be seen? That's cool. Just take the elevator to the 31st or 33rd floor and use the stairwell to enter the hallway on the 32nd. Easy peasy.

This just confirms that LE has no way in hell of knowing when/where SP came/went during his stay at the MB. They can't even be sure he had no visitors for that matter!

Lombardo's statement is oddly specific to only the 32nd floor. Perhaps it's how the question was asked or maybe for unknown reasons he's responding ambiguously but notice he didn't say there were no cameras anywhere inside the stairwell, only that there wasn't any on the 32nd floor facing the stairwell door.
 
  • #287
Do you somehow find it offensive that he is described by those who knew him as a gun collector who enjoyed country music?

I have a gun and like country music but for some reason this does not bother me and I don't have the urge to yell "show proof!" at the friends and family who have said so.

Not everything is a battle.

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It bothers me that people are passing off opinion as known facts.
 
  • #288
It bothers me that people are passing off opinion as known facts.
It's not somebody's opinion that he had a gun room - it's an observation from someone who visited his home. I also doubt that his relative's opinion that he enjoyed country music isn't based on something like him being known to listen to or own that type of music.

If someone visits my home and tells someone I have a craft room, that's not their opinion, it's a direct observation. Even if I don't call it that, if it is primarily full of craft supplies, that's a valid conclusion.

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  • #289
It's not somebody's opinion that he had a gun room - it's an observation from someone who visited his home. I also doubt that his relative's opinion that he enjoyed country music isn't based on something like him being known to listen to or own that type of music.

If someone visits my home and tells someone I have a craft room, that's not their opinion, it's a direct observation. Even if I don't call it that, if it is primarily full of craft supplies, that's a valid conclusion.

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It's somoene's opinion that he was a gun-loving, country-music-loving, conservative. We have two sources for any of this. One is a person who described themselves as opposed to lax gun laws in the United States. We have no idea how valid his statements are, especially given that no one else has mentioned a "gun room", or his apparent propensity for second amendment discussions. All of this is single-source reporting, with no indication of credibility. It's essentially some random person that supposedly stayed with the shooter half a dozen times several years ago. If you believe his commentary is valid, that is your opinion. He has made unfalsifiable statements, with no corroborating evidence from other sources.

The second source, saying that he "liked country music" is from unnamed relatives. What relatives? His brother? Who also said he didn't own guns and was estranged from for a long period of time? Family members say things all the time to try and mitigate how awful something appears ("I don't understand why he did this; he was basically one of them!"). Again, choosing to believe an anonymous, unsourced report that is the only mention of him liking country music in the media is exercising one's right to an opinion.

There is nothing in the media to back up the notion that he was a conservative. And that's kind of my point. You can form opinions about him based on a few reports here and there, mostly contradictory. But that's all it is, an opinion. It is irresponsible and just plain unsavory to goad people for not accepting an opinion (or string of them) as proven fact. Some would like to paint this caricature of him based on a couple of one-off reports in the media... And that's their right... But all it is, is a caricature until actual facts are released from the authorities investigating this.

A real estate broker who helped Paddock sell multiple properties in California more than a decade ago said the future gunman expressed dislike for taxes and the government — even selling off a series of buildings in California to move his money to the low-tax havens of Texas and Nevada.

But the agent, who asked not to be identified discussing Paddock, said they never knew Paddock to be political or ideological. A person familiar with the investigation into the massacre said these anti-government views alone didn’t explain why Paddock would head to a 32nd floor suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, break out the windows and open fire into a crowd of unsuspecting citizens.​
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-elusive-as-new-details-emerge-about-attack/

He added that his brother was never violent and had no history of mental illness. He had “no religious affiliation” and “no political affiliation,” he said.​
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock_us_59d1fec6e4b09538b5093cbf

Discerning Paddock’s motive has proven especially baffling given the absence of the indicators typical in other mass shootings. He had no criminal record, no known history of mental illness and no outward signs of social disaffection, political discontent or extremist ideology, police said.​
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...o-advance-knowledge-of-massacre-idUSKCN1C70FU

From how little we know, even a month later, it's basically a choose-your-own-adventure with respects to how this situation and the shooter's life/ideology/motive is interpreted. Anyone can mold this into whatever they want in order to make it fit their goal, because there is a lack of solid facts surrounding the case. To insist that one's own opinion is the actual factual reality in this case is wrong.

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  • #290
It's somoene's opinion that he was a gun-loving, country-music-loving, conservative. We have two sources for any of this. One is a person who described themselves as opposed to lax gun laws in the United States. We have no idea how valid his statements are, especially given that no one else has mentioned a "gun room", or his apparent propensity for second amendment discussions. All of this is single-source reporting, with no indication of credibility. It's essentially some random person that supposedly stayed with the shooter half a dozen times several years ago. If you believe his commentary is valid, that is your opinion. He has made unfalsifiable statements, with no corroborating evidence from other sources.

The second source, saying that he "liked country music" is from unnamed relatives. What relatives? His brother? Who also said he didn't own guns and was estranged from for a long period of time? Family members say things all the time to try and mitigate how awful something appears ("I don't understand why he did this; he was basically one of them!"). Again, choosing to believe an anonymous, unsourced report that is the only mention of him liking country music in the media is exercising one's right to an opinion.

There is nothing in the media to back up the notion that he was a conservative. And that's kind of my point. You can form opinions about him based on a few reports here and there, mostly contradictory. But that's all it is, an opinion. It is irresponsible and just plain unsavory to goad people for not accepting an opinion (or string of them) as proven fact. Some would like to paint this caricature of him based on a couple of one-off reports in the media... And that's their right... But all it is, is a caricature until actual facts are released from the authorities investigating this.
A real estate broker who helped Paddock sell multiple properties in California more than a decade ago said the future gunman expressed dislike for taxes and the government — even selling off a series of buildings in California to move his money to the low-tax havens of Texas and Nevada.

But the agent, who asked not to be identified discussing Paddock, said they never knew Paddock to be political or ideological. A person familiar with the investigation into the massacre said these anti-government views alone didn’t explain why Paddock would head to a 32nd floor suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, break out the windows and open fire into a crowd of unsuspecting citizens.​
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-elusive-as-new-details-emerge-about-attack/
He added that his brother was never violent and had no history of mental illness. He had “no religious affiliation” and “no political affiliation,” he said.​
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock_us_59d1fec6e4b09538b5093cbf
Discerning Paddock’s motive has proven especially baffling given the absence of the indicators typical in other mass shootings. He had no criminal record, no known history of mental illness and no outward signs of social disaffection, political discontent or extremist ideology, police said.​
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...o-advance-knowledge-of-massacre-idUSKCN1C70FU

From how little we know, even a month later, it's basically a choose-your-own-adventure with respects to how this situation and the shooter's life/ideology/motive is interpreted. Anyone can mold this into whatever they want in order to make it fit their goal, because there is a lack of solid facts surrounding the case. To insist that one's own opinion is the actual factual reality in this case is wrong.

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Its important to make these points. Thank you.
Also ref the Australian who discussed the gun room never actually saw it.. he stated Paddock told him about it.. it was a 2 bedroom apt.. not big.
Same dude discussed his prowess at the legalese involving gun ownership. his interview was largely discredited.
 
  • #291
If you don’t live in NYC or surrounding suburb, it may be difficult to grasp. But I can assure you NYPD is more equipped to deal with acts of terrorism than most police forces. Unfortunately, it’s because we learned the hard way. So you really can’t compare the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack in NYC to another city that has never had such an attack. Like literally not the same at all.

Agreed Bears. I live here. NYPD is highly trained post 9/11. We are also a huge city with a population of 8 million and with 34,000 NYPD officers on our force. We suffered the largest scale terrorist attack on American soil, 17 years ago. I was here for that one and I was here for this one. And I have lived here through the 20 something other attacks that have been thwarted in between.

NYC is almost like its own country in more ways than one and it is difficult to make comparisons on many levels. The sheer size of our city alone does not allow for that. Our NYPD often trains OTHER law enforcement how to respond to terror attacks. In fact, after the Boston Bombing, they were called there to do exactly that.

The obvious differences in this attack that would allow us quicker amounts of information in a shorter period of time are clear.

This terrorist rented a home depot truck that was sitting there smashed in the middle of the street for all to see. This terrorist was a user of social media. This terrorist was not independently wealthy. He had a job, with UBER, and passed their background checks. He lived in New Jersey with his wife and three children.

This terrorist was taken alive. He attacked using a car,in broad day light, on the ground, in front of many many eyewitnesses. He was not barricaded behind the door of a hotel room/ We have cell phone footage of him standing in the middle of chambers street directly after the attack. (IE , it wasn't difficult to find him after he mowed people down and crashed into a school bus in front of other people) This terrorist was not hiding in a snipers nest within a HUGE hotel, behind a door, with an arsenal, firing from a window. This terrorist did not have real firearms in his possession. This terrorist immigrated here via diversity lottery, that in and of itself leaves a federal paper trail. This terrorist had contact with other people that were on FBI radar. This terrorist is in Bellevue Hospital, wounded but alive, and being interrogated by FBI and JTTF. The attacks and the attackers could not be any different.

I would also like to add, that when this initially happened, I began getting text messages from friends warning of an active shooter in Tribeca. For hours after, different friends and social media posts still thought it was a shooter situation. Another friend came home from work and hours later believed it was a "shooting" due to a 'fight" between two people.

An eyewitness at the scene originally gave his account and framed the terrorist as a possible victim, stating " He got out of the car, he was really frustrated, and limping, I think he was injured, he also yelled "GUN" and I ran. Another eyewitness said the same and stated that NYPD was chasing another suspect through the park, and that maybe another shooter was on the loose.

There was only one attacker. And he wasn't even a shooter.

My point is, that the above illustrates how chaotic, how confusing, it all is in the beginning. The early reports are always wrong. The facts rise to the top as the investigation goes on and the dust settles. NYPD and FBI are actively withholding facts from the public right now, will not release the terrorists statements, and are giving us facts on a need to know basis. It's the way it works.
 
  • #292
Also from article...
"Lombardo also confirmed Monday that the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, where the gunman’s corner suite was located, did not have security cameras facing the gunman’s suite or the stairwell door that Paddock had apparently sealed sometime before the shooting. The only cameras on the floor faced the elevators."

I know this has already been discussed here, and I read the article that was written several years ago that stated only a handful of hotels along the strip have cameras in their hallways, but what I can't figure out is WHY???

With the amount of money that flows in and out of LV, I assumed every hotel on that strip had cameras filming every square inch of the property 24/7/52/365. I think it's donkey kong that they don't! I mean, I live in little ole rinky dink Myrtle Beach and all the hotels here have cameras in their hallways. The police are always asking for the public's help with ID'ing a suspect by having the news show hotel camera footage and/or still images.

Every single one of those hotels should have wall-to-wall coverage on every square inch accessed by the public. What's the freaking point of having a camera in the hallway that faces the elevator but not the stairwell? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's completely worthless. Don't want to be seen? That's cool. Just take the elevator to the 31st or 33rd floor and use the stairwell to enter the hallway on the 32nd. Easy peasy.

This just confirms that LE has no way in hell of knowing when/where SP came/went during his stay at the MB. They can't even be sure he had no visitors for that matter!

-Cuj, all I can say is there are cameras everywhere...all public areas. It is foolish for them to say that there isn’t. I can’t prove that to you from here, but you are on the right track.

-Wordplay is key in how they are trying to get around this. “Not facing the suite-not in SP corner...”.

-I personally am not interested in entering any debates regarding surveillance because nothing would make me believe otherwise. Its a ‘know that you know’ kinda thing.

-The issue of surveillance is tremendous to this investigation. It hinges on everything...

MOO
 
  • #293
-Cuj, all I can say is there are cameras everywhere...all public areas. It is foolish for them to say that there isn’t. I can’t prove that to you from here, but you are on the right track.

-Wordplay is key in how they are trying to get around this. “Not facing the suite-not in SP corner...”.

-I personally am not interested in entering any debates regarding surveillance because nothing would make me believe otherwise. Its a ‘know that you know’ kinda thing.

-The issue of surveillance is tremendous to this investigation. It hinges on everything...

MOO
Insurers would certainly stipulate cctv. Everywhere!
This is common sense.
A room gets robbed of millions $ worth of jewellery and hotel housekeeping cannot prove who had access when it had to have been robbed via the door.. cannot for the life of me seeing batman the robber skimming glass 32 floors from the ground in the hopes of loot..
 
  • #294
Its important to make these points. Thank you.
Also ref the Australian who discussed the gun room never actually saw it.. he stated Paddock told him about it.. it was a 2 bedroom apt.. not big.
Same dude discussed his prowess at the legalese involving gun ownership. his interview was largely discredited.

Can you provide some MSM articles or videos where Adam LeFevre's statements on SP were discredited? I had not heard anyone call his remarks into questions so I would be interested to read about this. Thanks
 
  • #295
Can you provide some MSM articles or videos where Adam LeFevre's statements on SP were discredited? I had not heard anyone call his remarks into questions so I would be interested to read about this. Thanks

we already discussed the subject here. Try googling. Good luck.
heres an early link..name witheld
#hearsay http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4949402/Stephen-Paddock-huge-gun-room-says-friend.html
heres another stating specifically he did not enter the gunroom
[FONT=&quot]It was on that first stay in Mesquite that Paddock gestured in passing to his “gun room”. Its presence in the two-bedroom home made an impression on the man – who opposes the US’s lax gun laws – but he “didn’t pursue it” with Paddock.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“His comments were that it’s a substantial hobby that needs to be protected: ‘a gun room’,” the man said.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Paddock did not take him inside or show off his collection of weapons, “nor was I interested – it was left at that”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...tephen-paddock-intelligent-gambler-gun-rights[/FONT]
 
  • #296
Insurers would certainly stipulate cctv. Everywhere!
This is common sense.
A room gets robbed of millions $ worth of jewellery and hotel housekeeping cannot prove who had access when it had to have been robbed via the door.. cannot for the life of me seeing batman the robber skimming glass 32 floors from the ground in the hopes of loot..

-Yes, common sense. Its like a national bank saying they have partial surveillance. Yet...they want us to believe that.

-In terms of robbery alone, can you imagine the temptation for thieves knowing that there is a higher population percentage of individuals with cash in hand in hotel casinos. So much can happen in and around the hotels, from the parking garage to the stairwells, kitchen, loading dock, housekeeping area, elevators, gift shop...everywhere. MGM and others like fiercely protect themselves, that translates to complete surveillance, for insurance and beyond.

-I don’t know if there is any truth to this “highly skilled thieves do not frequent targets at major casino hotels because they are aware of the surveillance magnitude”.
 
  • #297
thanks a million kitty.

I mean it IS important to hold off before we make a call on whether or not SP was a gun nut, and we need to hold off until we get all the facts about whether or not he loved guns. If he was NOT a gun nut, who knows what means for this investigation. We need to be cautious, if it turns out he only liked and not LOVED country music, we may need to revisit the timeline again. What if he only likes certain country acts? Holy cow, this whole darn investigation could be headed back to big ole square one.
 
  • #298
-Yes, common sense. Its like a national bank saying they have partial surveillance. Yet...they want us to believe that.

-In terms of robbery alone, can you imagine the temptation for thieves knowing that there is a higher population percentage of individuals with cash in hand in hotel casinos. So much can happen in and around the hotels, from the parking garage to the stairwells, kitchen, loading dock, housekeeping area, elevators, gift shop...everywhere. MGM and others like fiercely protect themselves, that translates to complete surveillance, for insurance and beyond.

-I don’t know if there is any truth to this “highly skilled thieves do not frequent targets at major casino hotels because they are aware of the surveillance magnitude”.

Why is it hard to believe that there were not cameras in a hotel hallway? I worked in a hotel in NYC in the early 2000's (Post 9/11) and there were no cameras located in the hallways off of the guest rooms. In other areas yes, but not there. It's pretty simple. When people check into hotels, a certain level of privacy is expected. Especially in Vegas, whose mantra literally amounts to "What you do here stays here, we won't share your secrets". A place that is branded as a literal adult playground, where guests have an expectation of "anything goes".

It is not weird that there there were no cameras in the hotel hallways. I think it was linked in these threads early on that MB placed cameras in bottle neck high traffic areas for surveillance like in front of elevator banks and in the lobby or gambling and common areas.
 
  • #299
Why is it hard to believe that there were not cameras in a hotel hallway? I worked in a hotel in NYC in the early 2000's (Post 9/11) and there were no cameras located in the hallways off of the guest rooms. In other areas yes, but not there. It's pretty simple. When people check into hotels, a certain level of privacy is expected. Especially in Vegas, whose mantra literally amounts to "What you do here stays here, we won't share your secrets". A place that is branded as a literal adult playground, where guests have an expectation of "anything goes".

It is not weird that there there were no cameras in the hotel hallways. I think it was linked in these threads early on that MB placed cameras in bottle neck high traffic areas for surveillance like in front of elevator banks and in the lobby or gambling and common areas.

We did link it before, we did see it before but cognitive dissonance aside, it makes no rational sense at all.
People fall on corridors. Rooms are breached by hotel thieves .. Insurance!!!
Just because we saw it written does not make it true.
Privacy issues in relation to cctv is based around cameras being in bathrooms, changing rooms, beauty parlours or gymns within hotels.
A hotel corridor is in effect a public area.
There is NO OTHER way to monitor hotel rooms or to protect them on behalf of the paying guest without them

[FONT=&quot]Cameras can usually be found in common and shared areas in hotels — like lobbies, hallways and pool areas. The American Hotel and Lodging Association, which represents 80% of all franchise hotels, said security protocols in place at hotels call for the use of security cameras in public areas.
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http://time.com/4914689/hotels-hidden-cameras-spy/
 
  • #300
How businesses manage their security is never common public knowledge and Mandalay Bay remains open for business. But it is a fact that authorities are confident there was not a second shooter in the room on October 1st. For all we know, rather than video cameras on the 32nd "floor", they're hidden in the ceiling.

From October 20th ---BBM
"McMahill said authorities are confident there was not another shooter in Stephen Paddock's room, but are still trying to determine whether anyone else knew of Paddock's plans.
Other developments from the media briefing and McMahill's interview with CNN:
-- Authorities do not believe another person used Stephen Paddock's room key at the Mandalay Bay hotel
-- McMahill called Campos a "true hero."
-- Investigators have reviewed "voluminous amounts of video" from many different locations including Mandalay Bay and have not seen any other person they think at this point is another suspect."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html

*****
In the article, it's a logical conclusion "another suspect" refers to what LE is still investigating -- "whether anyone else knew of Paddock's plans".
 
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