NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #9

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  • #321
About him touching the gaming machines. All casinos have multiple cleaning staff members who are continuously working the floors in the casino. When anyone leaves any machine shortly afterwards someone comes and sterilizes the area including wiping the chairs down. That is why we rarely ever hear of people becoming sick in casinos from touching things.

All casinos are very mindful of cleanliness especially in the playing areas and how important it is since they have so many who come into them each and every day.

I have also seen some customers who wipe down the machines/chairs themselves before they start to play. They have brought sterilized wipes with them just like I see them do in department stores or in a doctor's office.

IMO
 
  • #322
check out Lombardo's changing who was in charge of this investigation -- bizarre stuff -- just doing an example but it was transferred from like mass shooting department investigations to the bike theft investigations dept!!

making a point I don't remember the depths!! The lady who was then in charge of this "investigation" has no clue into this stuff!

Captain Kelly M. McMahill

What is Ogden?

Do the drive times between all these places add up ??

The Ogden (150 N Las Vegas Blvd, Las Vegas, NV 89101) is a high rise condominium complex next to The Cortez.

The drive from The Ogden to MB is approximately 12 minutes, so it`s possible.
 
  • #323
“Generally, a SWAT team is not usually a quick response force,” Blair told The Huffington Post after the briefing. “It usually takes them some period of time to spin up — it may be a half-hour, sometimes longer than that.” He said that SWAT teams would be useful in complex terrorist attacks when police were facing trained fighters, but that they had little to no impact on any of the active shooter incidents covered in the study.

“A lot of times the SWAT team can take longer to deploy than the actual event is going on, so a lot of times the SWAT will take a role in controlling the area, containing the area and then searching,” Blair said during the briefing.

These events are usually over within minutes, often before police even arrive at the scene and long before heavily armed tactical teams have a chance to show up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/fbi-mass-shooting-study_n_5876906.html
 
  • #324
All the hype given regarding trajectories being calculated it is like 8 numbers??

Our sheriff relentlessly reported 100's of shots fired in the hallway - often - i counted 27

man look at the door without shots that is one hell of a door all chipped nice and even paint not a scratch

being blown up not a soot mark on it anywhere

broke all nice and pretty after machine gun being fired out the other door right near it

4 guys in all kinds of police gear storming into the room and not a scratch

What on earth is that picture of the cart with a laptop on it ???

It is just bizarre how a room from which a thousand machine gun bullets came from does not have a burn mark any soot from red hot shells being ejected at rapid velocity -- everything is perfect .

All we need is "safe light repair safe light replace" glass folks and the room is ready for the next traveler!!

Wallpaper paint baseboards carpeting mirrors lamp shades pristine carpeting does not even a vacuum!!

We learned from report that only like 8 shots were from the other room in the one picture with glass on the floor i certainly dont see a thousand shells .

How do red hot casings pile up in that area and the carpeting is fine. If you notice the white parts of the carpet directly under the red hot shells perfect totally perfect looks like a staged deal totally while other folks in other areas are actually doing the carnage.

I could make a hotel room messier than that with no machine guns !!!

It is absurd!!

imo

windows in a modern skyscraper with windows designed for cat 5 winds breaks with a mini sledgehammer.

Look at those red hot casings right under the curtains no heat damage . They look nicely pressed!! Intense starch! Resists machine gun fire! That is funny!

Not one burn mark anywhere--

Since this I have watched YT video of those things being fired --its like a mini torch at the tip of it with each one!! Poof poof - no soot

The door closer on the removed door has been perfectly detached --as if one took it off with tools no damage on the wall at all

The door hardware is perfect despite being blown out in a breach

How come the doors on the alleged second breach are perfect?? Perfect!

All door frames on all these doors being shot through breached and people slamming through them are fine ??

In the picture of the baby carriage bed thing he made for his guns both doors behind it are fine door hinges are perfect

Where is any blood splatter from this suicide?? There is only one fresh pool and one old stain under the fresh one. If all of this happened within an hour how did one pool of blood dry and discolor while there is a fresh bright pool of blood over it?

Pool of blood is awful small when half of the back of his head is supposedly missing


What is the logic of a mass shooter placing guns all over the place -- was his plan to run all over the place grabbing another gun each time ? Seems counter intuitive to me!!

Some resting on beds,, some taking a nap on the floor some sitting at the bar some sitting in a little carriage in the middle of the room some on some chair -- looks a lot more like a ransack than a highly planned attack

What suicidal person lays towels (in several places) to protect furniture ? They could bill him for damage but he was going to be dead!

A mass murderer is worrying about scratching some furniture?

The pillows on the floor have been nicely placed there -- all neat and orderly

Nothing is knocked over during melee nothing

The cart in pic 4 is NOTHING like any other pics of it earlier

looks like there is more writing on this sheet of paper

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  • #325
All valid questions.


I dont really know how to phrase this.

As it relates to multiple snipers

but witnesses would know ( so would the injured which have been rarely spoken to publically) one could tell by sounds and noises if someone ahead of them was hit from a direction other than the one supposed direction of fire.

I would not have the attn span! Would be interesting if the diagram of victims resting places in conjunction with injuries listed would help in determining if it appears as if the shots were from up and over
 
  • #326
There is not one word of narrative here. No notions are being presented.

It is eyewitness video thats it

I am posting so you all can see for your own eyes well not your eyes a sophisticated cameras eye - there is not one bullet hit anywhere nowhere on anything in the concert area.

I am visual -- they way the story has been presented there is one shooter from the 32nd floor about 3000 feet a way.

how on earth not one bullet from thousands managed not to hit a wall window doorway anywhere bleacher tree garbage can seat light canvas of stage bottle on a table etc etc

the only logical conclusion is multiple snipers much closer to the ground.

I was also blown away to see our FBI agents appearing to be burying evidence by slamming there roller brush handles into the bullet holes in the ground.

I also never knew FBI agents do asphalting repair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7AbiYhC6IU


bizarre stuff
 
  • #327
Cariis, this is a sincere question. You obviously don't think that the shooting happened from this room. Number one, what possible point would that serve to stage a hotel room like it has been used to massacre people? Number two, do you not think all of these people have been killed?

I really don't understand the thought that this has been staged. The report explained lots of this. 35 holes in the door. (I don't remember the exact number, but 100ish?) Holes down the hallway from shots- likely from fragments like Campos got shot with. Lots of things can be explained with actual science. Put a quarter on a towel and pour colored water in front of the quarter. Watch what happens. It seeps under it, not coloring the top of the quarter.

Have you seen closeups of the carpet or forensic reports saying there was no blood spatter.on the carpets? Cause I will bet there is. Casino carpets are designed in patterns to hide small stains. You wouldnt see it necessarily from a photos from a doorway. I mean the dude is laying there dead. Did someone carry a random dead man up the stairs? And he just happened to be a guy that hauled in 80 suitcases and 7000 guns (random exaggerated numbers, don't even ask for a link).

I think Google a lot of the questions you have. Many many can be explained with science. The ones that can't might be worth looking into more. It's just hard to get on board with a mass amount of conspiracy when lots of it isn't right. That's said in love.

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  • #328
There is not one word of narrative here. No notions are being presented.

It is eyewitness video thats it

I am posting so you all can see for your own eyes well not your eyes a sophisticated cameras eye - there is not one bullet hit anywhere nowhere on anything in the concert area.

I am visual -- they way the story has been presented there is one shooter from the 32nd floor about 3000 feet a way.

how on earth not one bullet from thousands managed not to hit a wall window doorway anywhere bleacher tree garbage can seat light canvas of stage bottle on a table etc etc

the only logical conclusion is multiple snipers much closer to the ground.

I was also blown away to see our FBI agents appearing to be burying evidence by slamming there roller brush handles into the bullet holes in the ground.

I also never knew FBI agents do asphalting repair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7AbiYhC6IU


bizarre stuff
Wait. I thought it didn't damage anything. But the asphalt took enough damage that it needed repair? That seems like damage, to me. Has the concert venue said no garbage cans or bleachers were hit? I know many people said the roof of the tent you could hear the bullets ripping through.

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  • #329
Wait. I thought it didn't damage anything. But the asphalt took enough damage that it needed repair? That seems like damage, to me. Has the concert venue said no garbage cans or bleachers were hit? I know many people said the roof of the tent you could hear the bullets ripping through.

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That is the point. The only thing hit were people and concrete. Nothing above ground has a any bullet holes.

How does that happen from the 32 floor? Bullets go down -- there were all kinds of obstacles above ground surrounding the people.

How could a thunder storm of bullets not hit thing above the people on the way down

the only way IMO is for snipers to be ground level

its kinda like rain missing anything above ground how does that happen

why are FBI agents slamming the end of their poles into the ground?

I thought FBI removes evidence -- not slam into the ground and cover it up with asphalt

WHy is FBI doing housekeeping??
 
  • #330
This situation will NEVER make sense because we have no facts to go. All these months later, so many unanswered questions. And notice how few people are back on the thread. Public's attention span is so short that many have moved on to other news, and let this just slip away. People in my life I've mentioned this released documents, ONE of them said "yeah I saw that on the news", the rest have no interest in going over the documents, or discussing it. Yet when it happened and the month following, that's all they wanted to talk about!

Vegas, sin city. Money rules. Always has, always will. No matter what the cost to keep the public happy and spending money. The corruption runs deep and it doesn't appear anything is going to change that. Couldn't pay me to go there!

I'm back on the thread and still interested, but it is clear we will never know the truth. It frustrates me and stresses me out to much to get too involved in it anymore. [emoji53]
 
  • #331
Cariis, this is a sincere question. You obviously don't think that the shooting happened from this room. Number one, what possible point would that serve to stage a hotel room like it has been used to massacre people? Number two, do you not think all of these people have been killed?

I really don't understand the thought that this has been staged. The report explained lots of this. 35 holes in the door. (I don't remember the exact number, but 100ish?) Holes down the hallway from shots- likely from fragments like Campos got shot with. Lots of things can be explained with actual science. Put a quarter on a towel and pour colored water in front of the quarter. Watch what happens. It seeps under it, not coloring the top of the quarter.

Have you seen closeups of the carpet or forensic reports saying there was no blood spatter.on the carpets? Cause I will bet there is. Casino carpets are designed in patterns to hide small stains. You wouldnt see it necessarily from a photos from a doorway. I mean the dude is laying there dead. Did someone carry a random dead man up the stairs? And he just happened to be a guy that hauled in 80 suitcases and 7000 guns (random exaggerated numbers, don't even ask for a link).

I think Google a lot of the questions you have. Many many can be explained with science. The ones that can't might be worth looking into more. It's just hard to get on board with a mass amount of conspiracy when lots of it isn't right. That's said in love.

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I respond with love back!!

I bought it the first several days. Kinda. How two hours into this disaster was our Sheriff comfortably able to declare it was over and it was person?

I remember that night thinking gosh how do that know that already? They usually put shelter in place things and look for others for like 6 hours after one mass tragedy.

It the timeline change did not totally discredit everything he had said up to that point it might feel different.

His portrayal was a total lie. Saying LE "engaged the subject " -- the person in the room was on the floor dead.

There is lots of stuff going on here. WHyd did the biggest shooting in the nations history vanish in 4 days.

Why is an employer guarding and hiding a rent a cop at their expense for weeks. if it was a CEo maybe.

Why was a witness to the biggest crime of the centruy allowed out of the nation?

Thats just not how it works!!

Akk behavior has meaning -- why was the second dude kept secret for weeks? He is part of a operation.

I beleive this was terrorist cells buying arms and bombs -- the guy in the room was a narc

The hotel has participated in this operation for some time. They were trying to catch terrorists buying assault weapons in bulk .


His cover was blown- they knew they were gonna kill him. Why not launch a multiple shooter terrorist attack -- they are terrorists trying to buy guns and bombs.

It is tenerite -- terrorists are fond of the explosive!!

What lone mass murderer needs 25 machine guns in his room another whatever in his car -- a pretend arms dealer does -- a suicidal mass shooter does not.

That is the sole question that IMO ought
to take us to another whole arena.

He was trying to do an arms deal. I think he was an informant for several reasons.

His dad flipped and it kept dad out of prison for a decade.

He was aware of this option.

What sucidal mass shooter is setting cameras up all over the place. We have all seen undercover busts where they are recording making the offer etc before getting busted.

It explains the amount of firepower -- explains all the crazy govt /hotel coverup stuff right after.

till this day

What CEO sells most of his stock starting a quarter of a year before the event. Someone who knew something was up

This is big stuff. Big money

Why did Tricias guest out of the blue go on and on about Janet air. MB is a stones throw away from Janet Air terminal.

That fits in -- that is how they got the snipers out of the area.

I get lost in terms of exact what and who was involved tho. There is some govt stuff tho

Why is there all sorts of dialog on ATC tapes about active shooters on the runways?

Again this is not a CT this is ATC that night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObcohaSjKS4

They started closing runways -- why did they not shut airport down then

some entity told them not shut down know when they finally shut it down?

Right after a questionable helicopter turned of his transponder -- ( I think this is when the snipers got off the helicopter).

Know what the helicopter did next?

Hualed a@@ away from the airport in totally restricted airspace!

Then they closed the airport.

Who on earth does not close down an airport half a block away from where assault weapons are being fired for minutes?

You can see helicopters all over the place in cell phone videos from concertgoers.

Why are helicopters flying around a machine gun tooting madman -- they knew they would not shut down.

It is with regret that must prove this once and for all ha !

I found the video. Again there is no theory here

It is a concert goer filming the concert thats it

but Houston we have problems !

Are your ready!

Here we go!

Pls note.

My biggest cue when I first saw this was crowd behavior .

You can clearly hear single shots slowly start to be fired.

then you start to see people in the back of the crowd start to flee.

But the problem is this all starts in the
song before the one when all hell breaks loose.

18 seconds before the publized onset of the event people in the rear are fleeing.

In the back they too can hear the single shots being fired off.

The poor guy shooting the concert even asks what is going on way before the publized start of the tragedy starts.

Interestingly before this somehting caught the guy filming attn -- he pans left off the concert for some reason before the single shots from behind him start

Only question here is why are single shots going off , in the song before, and why are people in the back who can hear shots running way before the main stuff happens.

FOr your eyes only! Kidding

If your inpt go to 330 and watch from there -- it is the song before !!

Pay close attn to the guy filming asking what is going on -- in response to people fleeing from the back -- it is before

why are people fleeing before the big volley starts??

you can actually hear two of the single shots overtopping the beginning of the first volley -- more than one shooter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrNsC0mTBg
 
  • #332
That is the point. The only thing hit were people and concrete. Nothing above ground has a any bullet holes.

How does that happen from the 32 floor? Bullets go down -- there were all kinds of obstacles above ground surrounding the people.

How could a thunder storm of bullets not hit thing above the people on the way down

the only way IMO is for snipers to be ground level

its kinda like rain missing anything above ground how does that happen

why are FBI agents slamming the end of their poles into the ground?

I thought FBI removes evidence -- not slam into the ground and cover it up with asphalt

WHy is FBI doing housekeeping??

Why *is* the FBI doing that? LE doesn't clean up crime scenes that I've ever seen.
 
  • #333
It is two barrel chairs pushed flush together. He used that as a gun pit. I recall when I first saw it, I thought it might be a coffin.

It strikes me as an arms dealer show case!!!!!!
 
  • #334
I’m inclined to say it was both, pride and contempt. “I owe no one and I funded my own arsenal. And even sent some $$ to my lady friend”

I still think the 100k was hush money to keep her from blabbing before the event. Just IMHO. no proof.
 
  • #335
How can I be saying over and over (Sheriff) it is only one person and then in the next breath say the Federal B Of I is looking at another person somehow involved

simply put

makes zero sense!
 
  • #336
Why *is* the FBI doing that? LE doesn't clean up crime scenes that I've ever seen.


Exactly--- and when I saw them slamming evidence into the ground and asphalting them over is that they know there are angles and trajectories etcetc that clearly indicate more than one sniper

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

moo!
 
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  • #338
Lombardo is contradicting himself again. He is saying there is another suspect. But in his reasoning for taking homicide off the investigation and putting F.I.T in charge was because the suspect was already dead and it was a "static" situation.

He is a bad liar.


He sure is! He is a politician -- I am getting caught up I am glad you bought this up

there was a real neat angle to the lady that heads the dept

politics corruption money greed
 
  • #339
Sounds a lot like a traveling salesman does it not??

Notice how they have never released any caliber stuff -- with multiple snipers - speculating- there would be different caliber

is pretty amazing alledelly from the 32 floor in the dark with a bunch of moving targets how many victims had ONE shot to the head/ chest - on moving people.

Feels more sniper eee to me - from a much lower angle

visualizing bullets raining down randomly the lack of multple bullets in more victims is pretty amazing.

People were running away from where they thought they were coming from -- why are there so many chest (vs back injuries?)


  • Ahlers, Hannah Lassette Penetrating gunshot wound of the head Homicide
  • Alvarado, Heather Lorraine Gunshot wound to the right side of the neck Homicide
  • Anderson, Dorene Gunshot wound of the left back Homicide
  • Barnette, Carrie Rae Gunshot wound to the right chest Homicide
  • Beaton, Jack Reginald Gunshot wound to the head Homicide
  • Berger, Stephen Richard Gunshot wound of the right upper chest Homicide
  • Bowers, Candice Ryan Gunshot wound of the central upper back Homicide
  • Burditus, Denise Brenna Gunshot wound to the head Homicide
  • Casey, Sandra Lee Multiple gunshot wounds of the back Homicide
  • Castilla, Andrea Lee Anna Gunshot wound of the head Homicide
  • Cohen, Denise Marie Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Davis, Austin William Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Day, Jr., Thomas Allen Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Duarte, Christiana Mae Multiple gunshot wounds (Head and Left Leg) Homicide
  • Etcheber, Stacee Ann Gunshot wounds of the head and right forearm Homicide
  • Fraser, Brian Scott Gunshot wound of chest Homicide
  • Galvan, Keri Lynn Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Gardner, Dana Leann Gunshot wound of the right arm, right lateral chest Homicide
  • Gomez, Angela Christine Gunshot wound of the right upper chest Homicide
  • Guillen, Rocio Gunshot wound of leg Homicide
  • Hartfield, Charleston V. Gunshot wound of chest Homicide
  • Hazencomb, Christopher James Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Irvine, Jennifer Topaz Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Kimura, Teresa Nicol Gunshot wound to the left chest Homicide
  • Klymchuk, Jessica Lynn Gunshot wound of the chest Homicide
  • Kreibaum, Carly Anne Gunshot wounds of the chest and left forearm Homicide
  • LeRocque, Rhonda M. Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Link, Victor Loyd Gunshot wound of the head Homicide
  • McIldoon, Jordan Alan Gunshot wound of chest Homicide
  • Meadows, Kelsey Breanne Gunshot wound of the left back Homicide
  • Medig, Calla-Marie Gunshot wound of the back Homicide
  • Melton, James Sonny Gunshot wound to the left back Homicide
  • Mestas, Patricia Louis Multiple gunshot wounds (Chest and Right Forearm) Homicide
  • Meyer, Austin Cooper Gunshot wound of back Homicide
  • Murfitt, Adrian Allan Gunshot wound to the back of the neck Homicide
  • Parker, Rachael Kathleen Gunshot wound of back Homicide
  • Parks, Jennifer Marie Multiple gunshot wounds of head Homicide
  • Parsons, Carolyn Lee Gunshot wound of back Homicide
  • Patterson, Lisa Marie Gunshot wound of back Homicide
  • Phippen, John Joseph Gunshot wound of the left low back Homicide
  • Ramirez, Melissa Viridiana Gunshot wound of the right lateral chest Homicide
  • Rivera, Jordyn Nicole Gunshot wound of the back Homicide
  • Robbins, Quinton Joe Gunshot wound of chest Homicide
  • Robinson, Cameron Lee Gunshot wound to the right chest Homicide
  • Roe, Tara Ann Gunshot wound to the right back Homicide
  • Romero-Muniz, Lisa M. Gunshot wound of the central upper back Homicide
  • Roybal, Christopher Louis Gunshot wound of chest Homicide
  • Schwanbeck, Brett Erin Gunshot wound of the head Homicide
  • Schweitzer, Bailey Dee Gunshot wound of the right upper chest Homicide
  • Shipp, Laura Anne Gunshot wound of back Homicide
  • Silva, Erick Steven Gunshot wound of head Homicide
  • Smith, Susan Marie Gunshot wound to the right chest Homicide
  • Stewart, Brennan Lee Gunshot wound to the right chest Homicide
  • Taylor, Derrick Dean Gunshot wound of the right lateral neck Homicide
  • Tonks, Neysa Christine Gunshot wound of the head Homicide
  • Vo, Michelle Ngoc Gunshot wound of the left upper chest Homicide
  • Von Tillow, Kurt Allen Gunshot wound to the right chest Homicide
  • Wolfe, Jr., William Winfield Gunshot wound of chest Homicide

I'd take a wild guess that he was an arm's dealer who liked to gamble.
 
  • #340
All the hype given regarding trajectories being calculated it is like 8 numbers??

Our sheriff relentlessly reported 100's of shots fired in the hallway - often - i counted 27

man look at the door without shots that is one hell of a door all chipped nice and even paint not a scratch

being blown up not a soot mark on it anywhere

broke all nice and pretty after machine gun being fired out the other door right near it

4 guys in all kinds of police gear storming into the room and not a scratch

What on earth is that picture of the cart with a laptop on it ???

It is just bizarre how a room from which a thousand machine gun bullets came from does not have a burn mark any soot from red hot shells being ejected at rapid velocity -- everything is perfect .

All we need is "safe light repair safe light replace" glass folks and the room is ready for the next traveler!!

Wallpaper paint baseboards carpeting mirrors lamp shades pristine carpeting does not even a vacuum!!

We learned from report that only like 8 shots were from the other room in the one picture with glass on the floor i certainly dont see a thousand shells .

How do red hot casings pile up in that area and the carpeting is fine. If you notice the white parts of the carpet directly under the red hot shells perfect totally perfect looks like a staged deal totally while other folks in other areas are actually doing the carnage.

I could make a hotel room messier than that with no machine guns !!!

It is absurd!!

imo

windows in a modern skyscraper with windows designed for cat 5 winds breaks with a mini sledgehammer.

Look at those red hot casings right under the curtains no heat damage . They look nicely pressed!! Intense starch! Resists machine gun fire! That is funny!

Not one burn mark anywhere--

Since this I have watched YT video of those things being fired --its like a mini torch at the tip of it with each one!! Poof poof - no soot

The door closer on the removed door has been perfectly detached --as if one took it off with tools no damage on the wall at all

The door hardware is perfect despite being blown out in a breach

How come the doors on the alleged second breach are perfect?? Perfect!

All door frames on all these doors being shot through breached and people slamming through them are fine ??

In the picture of the baby carriage bed thing he made for his guns both doors behind it are fine door hinges are perfect

Where is any blood splatter from this suicide?? There is only one fresh pool and one old stain under the fresh one. If all of this happened within an hour how did one pool of blood dry and discolor while there is a fresh bright pool of blood over it?

Pool of blood is awful small when half of the back of his head is supposedly missing


What is the logic of a mass shooter placing guns all over the place -- was his plan to run all over the place grabbing another gun each time ? Seems counter intuitive to me!!

Some resting on beds,, some taking a nap on the floor some sitting at the bar some sitting in a little carriage in the middle of the room some on some chair -- looks a lot more like a ransack than a highly planned attack

What suicidal person lays towels (in several places) to protect furniture ? They could bill him for damage but he was going to be dead!

A mass murderer is worrying about scratching some furniture?

The pillows on the floor have been nicely placed there -- all neat and orderly

Nothing is knocked over during melee nothing

The cart in pic 4 is NOTHING like any other pics of it earlier

looks like there is more writing on this sheet of paper

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I feel there's so much more to this that we may never know.
 
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