NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #9

[CARIIS]

Yep I agree. A guy with a hose and a mask sounds like he expected tear gas. If he wanted to kill himself why would he care? I think he was killed MOO

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we can't forget that Lombardos initial claim was LE "engaged" suspect

what then becomes the main question is why did they need it to be suicide??

 

[Gooddeeds]

we can't forget that Lombardos initial claim was LE "engaged" suspect

what then becomes the main question is why did they need it to be suicide??

Very good point. They could have easily gone with he was shot in self-defense.

 

[CARIIS]

ha

the guy supposedly spends days getting ready

running around a gun filed room with flaps on!!! That makes sense!!

 

[kittythehare]

Very good point. They could have easily gone with he was shot in self-defense.

we need a time of death for Paddock.
And we will never get one.
They could and should, IMO have checked his temperature, manually to try to guess when he died.
Was his body still warm?

It's possible to tell from close up post mortem pictures in any case.. not exactly but can determine by the clotting of the blood.. and estimate against usual clotting times in similar environment.

But it's never dead accurate.

 

[Tricia]

Tomorrow (Tuesday) Doug Poppa will be a guest on the Pat Campbell show. That's 1170 AM Radio KFAQ at 9:00 AM EASTERN.

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There will be a link to the broadcast in case you miss the live show uploaded sometime tomorrow

Here is the latest Websleuths Podcast with Mr. Poppa in case you missed it
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...ths-radioturpin-torture-caselas-vegas-shooter

 

[cujenn81]

Yep I agree. A guy with a hose and a mask sounds like he expected tear gas. If he wanted to kill himself why would he care? I think he was killed MOO

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That's exactly what my dad said about the makeshift hose mask -- like he was expecting tear gas.

 

[CARIIS]

why is the glass on top of some of the casings?

 

[CARIIS]

how does blood from your mouth get dead center on your chest with no splatter

looks more like a chest wound and a head wound

cop fired three shots?

 

[Gooddeeds]

we need a time of death for Paddock.
And we will never get one.
They could and should, IMO have checked his temperature, manually to try to guess when he died.
Was his body still warm?

It's possible to tell from close up post mortem pictures in any case.. not exactly but can determine by the clotting of the blood.. and estimate against usual clotting times in similar environment.

But it's never dead accurate.

They are suppose to check temperature on arrival for a gauge to the official report. Whoever is the first field to arrive-LE, coroner, etc.

I think he was laying around for awhile, so they could come up with some sort of timeline story.

There is a reason they shifted from Campos being shot after, versus before. How can that take 7 days to redetermine?

Did they run prints on the revolver that they claimed he used to take himself out?

 

[CARIIS]

Is the medical examiner elected in LV?

 

[kittythehare]

They are suppose to check temperature on arrival for a gauge to the official report. Whoever is the first field to arrive-LE, coroner, etc.

I think he was laying around for awhile, so they could come up with some sort of timeline story.

There is a reason they shifted from Campos being shot after, versus before. How can that take 7 days to redetermine?

Did they run prints on the revolver that they claimed he used to take himself out?

I read that report 4 times. I still do not know or remember all it contains, but it appears to be credible.
I have also read every conspiracy theorist site, fake news sites, 4chan nonsense and several other nonsensical sites on the subject.

The Report is incomplete, but it looks to be accurate mostly.

It's not easy reading but it does answer a lot of questions that have been asked here in the last 2 or 3 days.

We rehashed all the early rumors, media articles to death. we got nowhere.

Now, should we stick to the report in our discussions and reproduce the parts we are arguing about?

I believe he was the only shooter.
I believe the report demonstrated he was not only capable of the carriage of all the weapons to hotels, but that they have cctv footage to prove it.
The main aspect that is a problem for me is to know his time of death, though the why of the methodology, if it was himself, will likely always be obscure as have no insight into how his mind worked.
he seemed to be revved up a lot..

Do we agree report is flawed or accurate? What are our reasons? Are they valid?

I think the shocks will come as the civil cases come in, pouring in.. but there is nothing we can do to get that information at this time. when that info comes it will be because it is to be used in a court of law and it will be backed up with visual proof and witness testimonies.

 

[CARIIS]

2218 report

 

[kittythehare]

2218 report

could be a lot longer depending upon how the civil cases go.. could take 10 years or more..
we're stuck.

 

[CARIIS]

[FONT=&amp]“The panic just goes up your spine. And the smell of gunpowder, it was powerful and everywhere. And I don’t have a good sense of smell.

people were smelling gunpowder from 3000 ft away 32 floor and they smell gunpowder

The Tucker Carlson b and white video that victim ( she was scooped up) was not in the diagram where they showed everyone died.[/FONT]

 

[Betty P]

I appreciate your view and observations. I wish I could articulate my perspective as well as you have here. It is true that there is much that we don’t know, as well as what you mentioned “there is no evidence of...”.

Let’s think about the stuff we do know, and the stuff we should know:

We know the timeline is a heaping mess and we should know the real reason for that because it is so basic to interpret. NO ONE HAS EVEN GOTTEN CLOSE TO EXPLAINING THAT, NO INTELLIGENT ATTEMPT TO.

We know that there are multiple claims of Campos being injured. We don’t know the extent of his injuries: calf, thigh, bullet or shrapnel...
We know he made the first call, don’t know by which method: cell, radio, house phone. I don’t want to keep going on him because there are so many unknowns pertaining to him.

Taking ‘just these 2’ that I mention ‘Campos and timeline’ because these are key starting indicators. It’s very difficult for me to navigate the storyline past this. Like you would going to a movie or reading a book.

Thus far my theory is somewhere in the area of informant-sting gone wrong. He worked for the CIA, loads of info and knowledge gained while there. I don’t know the extent of mafia internal affairs between these: LE-FBI-MB. Though there is enough cover up that is obvious to me that this isn’t as it should be. WE DONT HAVE A TIMELINE, that is one example of that.

If you read the report and watch Campos early interview all of your questions will be answered . It's probably best to avoid the woo conspiracy sites, but that's your choice. Those sites thrive on Co fusing people and asking questions that have already been answered .

 

[kittythehare]

At the end of the day what remains most stunning is the continued belief system that his room was loaded with guns to commit a mass shooting when as reported there is a flat out email outlining : great stock, location of showroom, (LV!) discussing the type of guns all over the room. and boasting that there were many bump stocks available for purchase!!

what else does one need!

it was an arms ad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No Cariis, it was actually a mass shooting.
If it was an arms deal, he would have done it over the internet or in person just like he bought them.
If it was an arms deal he would not have used them himself, he would be selling them in pristine condition.

If there was no evidence or reported testimony of degrees of insanity from his doctor, his girlfriend and the documented surveillance contained in the report, then one could well think he was selling guns, but hardly on the night he was conducting a mass murder, eh?
Why go for the arms dealing unfounded theory when there's a perfectly good body of evidence in the form of hundreds of images of child in the suite, in his possession in a computer belonging to him and nobody else on the night that he died?

But again, until the information on the new prosecution becomes available that's only speculation too.
This dude overdid things.. that is documented and proof exists.
The proof is in the form of cctv footage and witness testimony.

If you want to believe he was dealing guns, thats your prerogative but I honestly dont see it.. the scraps of emails are gibberish at this point and it's an ongoing investigation with 10 pages of warrants already withheld pending indictment of a person.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I appreciate your view and observations. I wish I could articulate my perspective as well as you have here. It is true that there is much that we don’t know, as well as what you mentioned “there is no evidence of...”.

Let’s think about the stuff we do know, and the stuff we should know:

We know the timeline is a heaping mess and we should know the real reason for that because it is so basic to interpret. NO ONE HAS EVEN GOTTEN CLOSE TO EXPLAINING THAT, NO INTELLIGENT ATTEMPT TO.

We know that there are multiple claims of Campos being injured. We don’t know the extent of his injuries: calf, thigh, bullet or shrapnel...
We know he made the first call, don’t know by which method: cell, radio, house phone. I don’t want to keep going on him because there are so many unknowns pertaining to him.

Taking ‘just these 2’ that I mention ‘Campos and timeline’ because these are key starting indicators. It’s very difficult for me to navigate the storyline past this. Like you would going to a movie or reading a book.

Thus far my theory is somewhere in the area of informant-sting gone wrong. He worked for the CIA, loads of info and knowledge gained while there. I don’t know the extent of mafia internal affairs between these: LE-FBI-MB. Though there is enough cover up that is obvious to me that this isn’t as it should be. WE DONT HAVE A TIMELINE, that is one example of that.

Here's my favorite "why" about Campos: WHY was the only media appearance and statement he was made done on the ELLEN show?!?!?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I haven't seen anyone mention Campos saying that he had been shot with a BB gun. How does that make any sense? Supposedly Paddock fired 200 rounds down the hallway, and Campos thought it sounded like a BB gun? How did this guy get hired as a security guard if he is that clueless?

Oh, he didn't even think it sounded like a BB gun. He thought it sounded like a drill!

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Clueless... and yet he is the one who began the report? I could do an entire investigation on just him. I believe he is gone... and I don’t believe the real Campos was on ELLEN. Nothing can convince me otherwise to date.

I am still questioning that as well. The man on Ellen was *not* the same man as pictured in the "Unarmed Hotel Security Guard Superhero Union Award" banquet.

 

[dizzychick]

He seems to enjoy the spotlight IMO it would not surprise me in the least if we hear about Eric again in the future

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I thought so too until I remember it is the other brother Bruce? was that his name who is in jail now for the same charge. I bet this the " other person of interest" the feds were talking about