NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #9

[CoolJ]

I am so sorry, I don'the understand what you are trying to say.

He is saying it doesn’t make one iota of sense that a man shot intraorally would have an obvious pool of blood on his chest with no connecting blood droplets or stains between the chest wound and the mouth.

Just another thing that doesn’t make sense.

 

[vlpate]

He is saying it doesn’t make one iota of sense that a man shot intraorally would have an obvious pool of blood on his chest with no connecting blood droplets or stains between the chest wound and the mouth.

Just another thing that doesn’t make sense.

What chest wound? Please source.

 

[dizzychick]

Team 2 continued through the living area to the right and encountered a closed, locked
connecting door leading to the adjoining room 32-134. Team 1 moved through the living space
up to Team 2 near the closed connector door. SWAT Officer Hancock and Officer Walford
attempted to kick the door open but determined it was a solid wood door inside a metal frame.
It was decided a second explosive breach was needed to gain entry into the adjoining room.
SWAT Officer Hancock breached the door. Immediately following the explosive breach, SWAT
Officer O’Donnell, had one negligent discharge of a three round burst from his rifle. Officers in
the hallway heard the shots fired and broadcasted shots had been fired inside the room.


These nitwits are lucky they didn't blow each other up!

 

[vlpate]

ha

72 hours ago that lie became another lie

29000 hours of video where they outline every thing he did in his hallway where there according to them there are no cameras but yet in this breakthrough report they outline minute by minute of what he did in the hallway that has no cameras

what a joke

HE had cameras in the hallway. Here's a list from 2013 (snipped at Mandalay Bay), there are no cameras.

The 4 LV Strip hotels with cameras in hallways
Oct 24, 2013, 3:57 PM
FYI. A lot of people think there are security cameras everywhere in Las Vegas. There aren't. From an AP article written by Hannah Dreier:

There are only four major Las Vegas Strip hotels that monitor the hotel halls above the gambling floor:

MGM Grand

Planet Hollywood

Tropicana

Caesars Palace (not all towers)

These 23 major Las Vegas Strip hotels have no surveillance cameras in hotel hallways or elevator landings, an AP investigation found:

Aria

Ballys

Bellagio

Circus Circus

Cosmopolitan

Encore

Excalibur

Flamingo

Harrahs

Luxor

Mandalay Bay

 

[Gooddeeds]

if I was younger and had more guts than I have now, I would challenge this by checking into a room and going out in the hall at 3 a.m. and cause a commotion of some sort like get my hubby to strangle me then wrangle me back into the room w/o any witnesses, then see how long it takes for cops to show up LOL

Exactly!!!

And/Or...what if you brake your hip by tripping over the housekeeping valet outside your room because they didn’t roll it back yet?

What if you were a full time MB employee who fell on broken glass in the hallway: who got there first, the employee or the glass? And where did the glass come from? A guest, employee or from the housekeeping waste container?

What if room service rings for cart arrival, the guest answers with a crack in the door, says I got it, thanks. The guest decides to say something very scary was on the cart....

I’m not interested in a surveillance challenge. I’m replying only to Dizzy and CoolJ here.

 

[dizzychick]

me dear

they are all involved this is huge money some hotel is not providing armed security lying moving etc etc for some rent a cop

Jesus is total bs he is one of the people involved so is engineer

mb has been paid to allow this operation to go on

LVMPd has been paid to allow this to go one

paddock gang are serious mobsters

open up the magnitude of this

billions of dollars govt corruption arms terrorists money laundering politics greed sleeper cells lots of bad things

does this include big mouth EP as well?

 

[CoolJ]

What chest wound? Please source.

From leaked photos of the body. I will not post here for obvious reasons.

 

[dizzychick]

Exactly!!!

And/Or...what if you brake your hip by tripping over the housekeeping valet outside your room because they didn’t roll it back yet?

What if you were a full time MB employee who fell on broken glass in the hallway: who got there first, the employee or the glass? And where did the glass come from? A guest, employee or from the housekeeping waste container?

What if room service rings for cart arrival, the guest answers with a crack in the door, says I got it, thanks. The guest decides to say something very scary was on the cart....

I’m not interested in a surveillance challenge. I’m replying only to Dizzy and CoolJ here.

as good of a customer as Paddock was even he could not win a suit against the MB for his slip and fall which was on video. Workman's comp in Texas died in 1991 with tort reform so I assume the same goes for Neveda. Add insurance companies to list of agents of the devil for collecting money and refusing to pay out on injuries.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Team 2 continued through the living area to the right and encountered a closed, locked
connecting door leading to the adjoining room 32-134. Team 1 moved through the living space
up to Team 2 near the closed connector door. SWAT Officer Hancock and Officer Walford
attempted to kick the door open but determined it was a solid wood door inside a metal frame.
It was decided a second explosive breach was needed to gain entry into the adjoining room.
SWAT Officer Hancock breached the door. Immediately following the explosive breach, SWAT
Officer O’Donnell, had one negligent discharge of a three round burst from his rifle. Officers in
the hallway heard the shots fired and broadcasted shots had been fired inside the room.


These nitwits are lucky they didn't blow each other up!

Can anyone do a rough schematic of sorts for just the doors?

 

[CoolJ]

Anybody know SP’s D.O.B?

ETA - found it. April 9 1953

But wasn’t it redacted from the make it FIT team report?

 

[watergirl62]

did people really smell the gunpowder or did they just think they did? I missed the gunpowder comments

I am researching that now.

On the fairgrounds:
“The panic just goes up your spine. And the smell of gunpowder, it was powerful and everywhere. And I don’t have a good sense of smell
https://www.newyorker.com/news/as-t...a-survivors-account-of-the-las-vegas-shooting

Near Mandalay Bay:
I looked up at Mandalay Bay and saw a light flickering, while shots were still ringing out. Was this the shooter? Maybe. I didn't stare long enough to find out.
A few minutes later, the sound stopped, but the chaos continued. As I continued to run from the venue, I saw pickup trucks driving insanely fast with people yelling about hospitals ("Where's the ****ing hospital?" someone shouted.) I saw police and ambulances driving fast towards the festival grounds. By now, I'm near Mandalay Bay – keep in mind, no one knew where the gunfire was coming from. I smelled gunpowder. A lot of gunpowder.
https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/las-vegas-shooting-what-it-was-like-at-w506517

Festival grounds:
Ricochets around them echoed the bangs from above, and still "no one knew where the gunfire was coming from," said journalist Mark Gray, who had been covering the concert for Rolling Stone."I smelled gunpowder," he said. "A lot of gunpowder."
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...tarted-scenes-from-the-nightmare-in-las-vegas

from Mandalay Bay 32nd floor:
Officers had identified the source of the shooting and arrived outside room 32135 by 10.24pm, 16 minutes after the massacre began. Paddock shot through the door as they approached, wounding a hotel security guard in the leg.
Sonny Morgan, who was on the 32nd floor at the time of the shooting, said: "I could smell the gun powder. It just kept going and going. I honestly thought it was like a terrorist attack, that someone was trying to blow up the hotel."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...e-inside-las-vegas-gunmans-hotel-room-police/

Backstage:
"[My friend and ] had just walked backstage when I heard what I assumed was firecrackers going off. 'That’s really stupid. Why is someone lighting up fireworks in a crowd like this'? I thought to myself. It even smelled like fireworks. But then I realized that the smell was actually gunpowder.
Bullets ricocheted off of metal equipment. We fled, seeking cover behind a nearby tour bus. A man running towards me fell to the ground just five feet away. I thought he had tripped, but then I saw the blood: he had been shot in the leg. Someone called for a belt to use as a tourniquet. I took mine off and I threw it in their direction. We kept running... A girl running alongside me was shot in the neck. She fell to the ground. I don't know what happened to her. I ducked underneath another bus, waiting for the gunfire to stop. But it kept coming. It went on for about 20 minutes in all. It didn’t even sound real — it sounded like a videotape." — Michaela Gallo told Refinery29.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a12764406/las-vegas-shooting-eyewitness-accounts/

Mandalay Bay (I think the reporter erroneously swapped room numbers)
Another witness, who was staying on the same hotel floor as the gunman, said: “I was in room 135 and I heard over the police scanner that the shooting came from room 137. It was non-stop — I would say well over 100 rounds.
“I called the front desk and she was remarkably calm and said she was aware of the situation and told us to stay in our room. After around 10 to 15 minutes it just kind of stopped. You could smell the gunpowder.
“Right before we got out I heard an explosion, maybe a flashbang, but windows were blown out.
“The cops came on to the floor and they were clearing rooms room by room and six or seven cops came into our room and we were evacuated.”
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...oting-as-gunman-opens-fire-from-a3648531.html

I think this is the same witness:
MATTHEWS: Well, what do you make of – what do you know right now about this witnesses? What witnesses do we have on the 32nd floor where he was shooting from?
AKERS: Yes, I spoke with one gentleman from Atlanta. He said he was about five rooms away. He was asleep. About between 10:00 and 10:15, he said, he was awoken by hundreds of rounds of shots. And he could smell the gunpowder. He immediately called the front desk. They said they`re aware of an active shooter situation and to remain in his room. So he said he hit the ground and just waited it out. And then eventually, metro police came up and escorted him out of his room and down the 32 floors.
http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/hardball/2017-10-02

That's all I can find at the moment. I think most of these accounts were from October 2. I realize some of these sources are not considered MSM but I am not seeing any other links for my verification sampling. Not getting any hits on Tropicana or Hooters + gunpowder.

I can measure these distances tomorrow.

 

[vlpate]

From leaked photos of the body. I will not post here for obvious reasons.

Was there a WS armchair ME that autopsied the photo?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Hyperosmia.

OMG. look at this (apologies, it;s just wikipedia )
Hyperosmia is an increased olfactory acuity (heightened sense of smell), usually caused by a lower threshold for odor.[SUP][1][/SUP] This perceptual disorder arises when there is an abnormally increased signal at any point between the olfactory receptors and the olfactory cortex. The causes of hyperosmia may be genetic, environmental or the result of benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome.

Genetics have a role in single odorants, but not multiple. He was multiple.

From what I gather from Md info he had become more sensitive over time

Normal olfactory acuity will usually return over time if the cause is environmental, even if it is untreated.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] The hyperosmic person may need to be removed from strong odorants for a period of time if the sensation becomes unbearable.[SUP][7][/SUP] Before they had been discontinued due to undesirable side effects, butyrophenones or thioridazine hydrochloride, both of which are dopamine antagonists, have been used to treat hyperosmia.[SUP][7]
For some people it can apparently lead to severe migraines..and vice versa..


https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/hyperosmia

Better link here
[/SUP] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3341581/

I'm hung up on this. Sorry if you guys already explored this further. I'm interested in this for personal reasons as well. From your last link:

"The four main causes of smell disorders are*(1)*trauma,*(2)*viral infections,*(3)*nasal causes such as sinusitis or polyposis nasi and*(4)smell disorders associated with aging or neurological illnesses such as Parkinson’s disease or Alzheimer’s disease.

Smell disorders also occur with*other Parkinson’s syndromes*such as Lewy-Body dementia and multi-system atrophy [71], [72].*Huntington’s disease*is associated with moderate hyposmia [73]. Mild olfactory disorders have also been described for some*heredoataxiasand*motor neuron diseases*[74], [75].

Similarly severe olfactory disorders to those found with IPS have been observed with* Alzheimer’s disease"

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[FindHG]

[video=youtube;PZ0JFTY7zwg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ0JFTY7zwg[/video]

 

[kittythehare]

I'm hung up on this. Sorry if you guys already explored this further. I'm interested in this for personal reasons as well. From your last link:

"The four main causes of smell disorders are*(1)*trauma,*(2)*viral infections,*(3)*nasal causes such as sinusitis or polyposis nasi and*(4)smell disorders associated with aging or neurological illnesses such as Parkinson’s disease or Alzheimer’s disease.

Smell disorders also occur with*other Parkinson’s syndromes*such as Lewy-Body dementia and multi-system atrophy [71], [72].*Huntington’s disease*is associated with moderate hyposmia [73]. Mild olfactory disorders have also been described for some*heredoataxiasand*motor neuron diseases*[74], [75].

Similarly severe olfactory disorders to those found with IPS have been observed with* Alzheimer’s disease"

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Most of the conditions above are in relation to hyposmia.
Thanks for reading it though.
I did some further research but could not easily pin down hyperosmia and associated neurological, physiological and or psychiatric con comittants.
I agree.. it's right to be hung up on it.. it's pretty much all we had for near sure on him.. certainly worth a search.
(I got sleepy and abandoned it but did not complete it by any means- they kept throwing the full spectre of otorhinolaryngology at me and not hyperosmia in isolation.
Definitely, have a look.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Most of the conditions above are in relation to hyposmia.
Thanks for reading it though.
I did some further research but could not easily pin down hyperosmia and associated neurological, physiological and or psychiatric con comittants.
I agree.. it's right to be hung up on it.. it's pretty much all we had for near sure on him.. certainly worth a search.
(I got sleepy and abandoned it but did not complete it by any means- they kept throwing the full spectre of otorhinolaryngology at me and not hyperosmia in isolation.
Definitely, have a look.

Ah, you're right. I missed that. (This is good news for me, though, because I have some of what Paddock had, as well as olfactory hallucinations - smelling things that aren't there. Would rather not have a degenerative neurological disease!)

I believe this is worth exploring more, though. Do we know if this was a recent change for him? Or did he always have this?

Just a note that my taste and olfactory changes came on around the time I began to have inexplicable health issues, some of which were neurological.

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[kittythehare]

me dear

they are all involved this is huge money some hotel is not providing armed security lying moving etc etc for some rent a cop

Jesus is total bs he is one of the people involved so is engineer

mb has been paid to allow this operation to go on

LVMPd has been paid to allow this to go one

paddock gang are serious mobsters

open up the magnitude of this

billions of dollars govt corruption arms terrorists money laundering politics greed sleeper cells lots of bad things

where lies the burden of proof for any of that?
the internet is currently over run with conspiracy theories, none of which pan out and none of which can be taken seriously.

The only serious mega event that occurred was that a crazy person killed 58 people and changed hundreds of lives, perhaps permanently.

The madman aspect with a ess than mega gun collection and with a collection of child which he had either bought or sold is not the mega event.
The casualties are.
If they are following this, what are they seeing that can help them?

There is a Report we can study and critique.
And read.
There is no factual information for anything else.

 

[kittythehare]

Ah, you're right. I missed that. (This is good news for me, though, because I have some of what Paddock had, as well as olfactory hallucinations - smelling things that aren't there. Would rather not have a degenerative neurological disease!)

I believe this is worth exploring more, though. Do we know if this was a recent change for him? Or did he always have this?

Just a note that my taste and olfactory changes came on around the time I began to have inexplicable health issues, some of which were neurological.

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His partner described it, i received the sense that it had been a gradually worsening thing, possibly intensified in past year..

I do remember reading something in the early threads regarding his need to wear loose fitting clothes.
It reads like a severe allergic condition he had or imagined he had.

But there are medicines available for these conditions and he had none when he died, though he carefully planned this massacre in very minute detail. He had a snorkel or two in the room..maybe he was planning on hanging them out the open window to receive relief from the fumes..there is no evidence he did that however

 

[CARIIS]

where lies the burden of proof for any of that?
the internet is currently over run with conspiracy theories, none of which pan out and none of which can be taken seriously.

The only serious mega event that occurred was that a crazy person killed 58 people and changed hundreds of lives, perhaps permanently.

The madman aspect with a ess than mega gun collection and with a collection of child which he had either bought or sold is not the mega event.
The casualties are.
If they are following this, what are they seeing that can help them?

There is a Report we can study and critique.
And read.
There is no factual information for anything else.

I dont think people are saying anything about aliens!!

We are absorbing the way the tale went down.

If we are not talking about an much bigger icebigger iceburg under the water than we are talking about gross incompetence.

Public officials are not allowed to make a declarative statement I am not talking any more and then dont talk anymore

That is what they all did.

People keep secrets for reason.

We dont need a "report" we need common sense.

To be unable to hear and see things that have been recorded and shared in infamy -- that is CT

Go to YT - watch some videos with ears and eyes -- what has been recorded does not match up with their stories.

At some level it is that simple!

It was all captured all cell phones -- just watch them -- the report is IMO a bunch of contradictions.

40 years ago this may have been the narrative -- with cell phones -- our realities have changed

Cant really tell if that is , at the end of the end of the day good or bad, they lie and get away with it anyhow -- but at least we are able to see and hear reality.

One question -- why did the crowd start fleeing from the back for a full 18 seconds before the first volley?

You can hear single pop pop during that behavior -- help me with that. Sadly we also know what guns sound like nowadays -- the pop pops before the first main volley is gunfire-- obviously from the back

TIA

 

[kittythehare]

Was there a WS armchair ME that autopsied the photo?

he was fully clothed in all the leaked photos that I saw, including the liveleak photos which were subsequently removed. And I saw another totally different photograph of a close up of paddocks face post mortem. I described it here in an early thread as accurately as I could remember it. Only one other person had seen the same image which could not be found afterwards.
It was remarkable only in that he had a strange kind of peaceful look in his eye or eyes.. one or two of which was open a bit.. I stared at it for a long time. It came in on Twitter around the same time the other photos were released. I was unable to verify it because I wrongly assumed the photos were all fake, until lE confirmed they were valid, but did not address each photo specifically.
There was a stain on his sweatshirt. sheriff Lombardo confirmed it was blood on the latest presser.
I think it's possible he lay down before killing himself, if he killed himself.