NV - Jessica Valenzuela, 32, dead, 36 injured, car plows into crowd, Las Vegas, 20 Dec 2015 *arrest*

  • #221
In the police repport which was in the video, I stopped it to read it, she told them she had been kicked out of aparking lot somewhere several times. She tried to pull in to sleep (inconguent with a stimulant- wonder if she used later in the day ) but I am wondering if that was where she returned to call 911?

Mixed feelings about way cops have handled. We all have questions , but, I like the way he stated there is something lse known, but not ok to reveal at this time.

But at the same time thats a very bizaire
"statement" "uncomfortable" , revealling?

speculating only insest? Does seem there was a trigger a week ago

My question- why did she have to park in a lot on the strip? The strip is a small part of LV. It's an area to cater to tourists. Just like a beach, they are not going to let you sleep in a car, it scares the tourists and makes the area look seedy. Why not go to the airport or a local walmart and park and sleep, if you are that desperate for sleep? It was 6:30 at night, why so sleepy then?
If she had a federal job with the forestry, why doesn't she have it now? Most people who get these jobs, unless they move up in the world, keep them for life (said a current federal employee) or they get an issue, like alcohol or drugs and lose the job.
If you are this broke, why go for a name change? It has to cost something.
She posts photos of the Eiffel tower at Paris hotel in 2013, tries to change her name to Paris, then does this in front of the same hotel. what's up with that? Someone she know work there? She got some big dreams about Paris???

I also have something to say about the 'she had no options/no family assistance/there should have programs to help her'.
The gov't is not our baby sitter nor our mama. Pick your self up and make life happen. As long as you sit, no lay, and cry for someone to do it for you, you are not living. And for God's sake, don't bring a child into your misery, it's definitely not fair for that child. Nobody's life is perfect, and effort is required.
All MOO and thoughts.
 
  • #222
Yes what is the significance of Vegas/Paris etc? Why not park down by Freemont St. The seedy end of the Strip where nobody would likely notice. Then again it would not be a safe area for her and her Daughter :gaah:
 
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  • #224
I am thinking of the poor innocent victims- attacked, one murdered by a vicious person, who in my opinion is evil. Most people. no matter how dire their circumstances do not intentionally try to run over and kill people. I know they have the death penalty in Nevada and she might be eligible. She will now have a place to sleep, right?
 
  • #225
Yes what is the significance of Vegas/Paris etc? Why not park down by Freemont St. The seedy end of the Strip where nobody would likely notice. Then again it would not be a safe area for her and her Daughter :gaah:

morning futre grandma !

Most interesting: Her tire was flat for a mile - maybe she planned to flee but could not! Why is this not reported? IMO it channges much as to intent...


I found the line " a place she did not want to be" odd. It struck me like I do not want to watch all this people with money having fun and spending

why no last name on report ?

brief arrest report

http://documents.latimes.com/lakeisha-holloway-arrest-report/
 
  • #226
morning futre grandma !

Most interesting: Her tire was flat for a mile - maybe she planned to flee but could not! Why is this not reported? IMO it channges much as to intent...


I found the line " a place she did not want to be" odd. It struck me like I do not want to watch all this people with money having fun and spending

why no last name on report ?

brief arrest report

http://documents.latimes.com/lakeisha-holloway-arrest-report/

Hey there. There is a last name on the report?? Maybe she got a flat when she jumped the curb? IIRC those curbs in Vegas are fairly high.
 
  • #227
CNN reports they are still trying to find the Father of her Child?????
 
  • #228
Had a busy day planned with fun social. Woke up with an infected eye and sinus Mach 90. Grrrrr. Cant get in to my Doc but have an appt. later at Clinic with one of the 6 Docs in his group. So I guess I'll hang with you guys today with a tea bag on my eye. Hopefully we get more news today.
 
  • #229
There was a case just like this one recently (it is here in this website) and quite a lot of people were really quick to give her the excuse of "mental illness." It JUST had to be!! I wonder what the difference is here?
 
  • #230
My question- why did she have to park in a lot on the strip? The strip is a small part of LV. It's an area to cater to tourists. Just like a beach, they are not going to let you sleep in a car, it scares the tourists and makes the area look seedy. Why not go to the airport or a local walmart and park and sleep, if you are that desperate for sleep? It was 6:30 at night, why so sleepy then?
If she had a federal job with the forestry, why doesn't she have it now? Most people who get these jobs, unless they move up in the world, keep them for life (said a current federal employee) or they get an issue, like alcohol or drugs and lose the job.
If you are this broke, why go for a name change? It has to cost something.
She posts photos of the Eiffel tower at Paris hotel in 2013, tries to change her name to Paris, then does this in front of the same hotel. what's up with that? Someone she know work there? She got some big dreams about Paris???

I also have something to say about the 'she had no options/no family assistance/there should have programs to help her'.
The gov't is not our baby sitter nor our mama. Pick your self up and make life happen. As long as you sit, no lay, and cry for someone to do it for you, you are not living. And for God's sake, don't bring a child into your misery, it's definitely not fair for that child. Nobody's life is perfect, and effort is required.
All MOO and thoughts.



Reasonably safe (!) did a quick spell check !

Now that is what I call "tough love".

I felt compelled to say it again - not condoning her behavior, but it is easy for media to talk a lot about "motivation" when they have no clue what the disenfranchised life experiences are.

I do , I worked with them clinically. The system designed to give them a boost so they can try to get out of the water to avoid drowning (which is exactly what poverty is like - quicksand) was designed by legislation that are clueless about how "undo able" the help is

We can say some do - great!

That is also a uniformed conclusion - the majority cant. Some people can make it to the Summit - most cant.

A homeless 18 year old , with little education and support, has few skills to care for herself much less an infant. No money to abort if she wanted to.

Homeless, with an infant in high school, is a pretty steep mountain

and if we look at her specifically she did tremendous - she did get up and moving lets not forget that.

and then something occurred (I keep speculating incest, cause of the cops use of the word "uncomfortable" with releasing a piece of info.

That can be a pretty traumatic trigger, if it occurred, for relapse. Reporting it requires contact with LE, possibly being afraid of perp (if this is a reality here) ...did the only thing she could thought she could do- get her loved one from harm and fled.

Not all that thought out .now in Los Vegas, now what do I do.

If we look at her, she lived in a valley, climbed a mountain, stayed on the mountain for a period of time, and a boulder rolled her back down - at 24 with a three year old.

What productive comes out of the media just hating on her. Same thing happens over and over - focus on the person that fell down, with rage, instead of trying to figure out what obviously failed in terms of a scoety.

Am I saying I condone murder - of course not. Am I not acknowledging the victims, of course not.

As a professional I found the system exhausting for me to navigate to try to help my folks access a "way up and out" of devastating poverty.

We all start out as babies. Babies grow up. Children living without food, a place to sleep, nurturing and guidance, violence, drug abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, little education, living in an environ where that is all they see and know does mold the choices and options they see ahead.
Children need a predicatable surrounding Poverty is hardly so. Never knowing if there is food , power, clothes , running water, heat or AC, gun shots in the neighborhood.

Children displace negative feeling states by acting out - it is the only way they know how to do it. That escalates the whole mess.

It has been wildly reported about her driving without a license and insurance. Like a blame. I am confident in stating that she had neither because she had no money or gas to get them . Period. That is not a "bad" person. That is a person that can not afford to obtain.

Then that escalates everything - ticket - no money- fine - no money - how does one get to work to try to get some money when one is breaking a law doing that.

I am assuming she was caught driving without a liscense trying to go to work (an assumption I know). But how is someone supposed to get up and out if they cant drive , to get somewhere, to make some money, to try to have it , to obtain a license and insurance? It is an impossibility.

IMO, its way to easy for reporters, and members of society who are driving to the office in a Mercedes, after closing the stocked refrigerator, stopping by Starbucks for $7.89 cup of coffee, and running by the dry cleaners on thier way into there rewarding career that compensates well to have a clue what poverty truly is.

I grew up in an affluent setting, college educated professional parents. I personally, for the first 4 years of my career, lived with this population, and attempted to facilitate navigating the system with them, so I am sharing from first person knowledge of her plight. Her story is pretty identical (except for the part that she did get moving)and similar to the many I was involved in.

Its easy for talking heads to villainize while in their $898 pair of slacks.

Any human being reaches a point of hopelessness, I would suspect hers was more intense because she had gotten herself "up" from the floor.

It hurts a lot more if you fall while standing up as opposed to getting knocked over while sitting.

Do I empathise with the victims ,indeed, do I empathise with her, totaly. As humans they do not have to be mutally exclusive.

There is a reason why it known as "the cycle of poverty".......................... imo
 
  • #231
Added... she does deserve the law to come down on her... JUST like the other case. She purposely killed people. Intent. I hope her child can break the cycle. Poor thing. Prayers to all the victims. A fun night that ended in tragedy. It really isn't fair. R.I.P. to the victim.
 
  • #232
Had a busy day planned with fun social. Woke up with an infected eye and sinus Mach 90. Grrrrr. Cant get in to my Doc but have an appt. later at Clinic with one of the 6 Docs in his group. So I guess I'll hang with you guys today with a tea bag on my eye. Hopefully we get more news today.

If your sinuses hurt try putting your head between your knees or hang it over the bed so your jaw is higher than your forehead. I recently learned that upper sinuses drain UP not down, so if you hang your head downward they will drain via gravity. Hold it that way for 3-5 min if possible and it should help the headache.
 
  • #233
There was a case just like this one recently (it is here in this website) and quite a lot of people were really quick to give her the excuse of "mental illness." It JUST had to be!! I wonder what the difference is here?

There is always just plain evil and the world is going to pay. Subject to change. My opine that is. There are plenty of addicts and those who have led a horrible life and mental illness who do not run down Innocent people. "If" she was angry with her Childs Father I am surprised he was not the target. Unless he was in Vegas????
 
  • #234
If this happened in Egypt. I doubt they would bill tourist victims later. So the US needs to deem this a domestic terrorist act and pay these people hospital bills.

Btw. If she was homeless and sleeping in the car with her 3 year old. Then the cops should have been called to take her in. Jmo.

Who knows they are not releasing any info - what we do know from pictures that at the time they were taken we saw a well clothed clean adorable little child with her hair all braided.

Attended too. We have no reports that the child was found in the back seat dehydrated and dirty.

Is you child in the backseat while your rolling over people with your vehicle ok of course not, but as of yet we ahve not heard anything about child services being invoved previoulsy - leaving one with the conclusion that she had been taking care of the child.

Forty seconds, although horrific , ought not result in the conclsion that was a horrid mother for the last 3 years.

Gotta IMO, look at the whole picture, somehting happened recently
 
  • #235
If your sinuses hurt try putting your head between your knees or hang it over the bed so your jaw is higher than your forehead. I recently learned that upper sinuses drain UP not down, so if you hang your head downward they will drain via gravity. Hold it that way for 3-5 min if possible and it should help the headache.

Thanks so much. I shall try that sweets. Very kind of you.
 
  • #236
Per CNN- any moment she will appear before a Judge
 
  • #237
I call BS. I was a white single mom and I had the EXACT same trouble with NO agencies, etc to help me. Don't hand me this different dynamics stuff. Poor is still poor, a broke down car is still broke down, and no money still means you have a hard time feeding your kids, court dates, etc.

Let's cut the "disenfranchised populations" crap and get real. It's the same hard pull for all of us and that is NO excuse to kill and injure innocent people. I'm sick of the pity party for certain people. This women got a lot more freebies than I ever thought of and she had less kids. I hope they lock her up and throw away the key.

...most shall feel that way.....and what we have all experienced the last two years here shall continue ...that simple....as a society we need to try to find out why this place is so full of hate ....until that happens , well nothing will change...

IMO hate has never lead to a resolution or improvment in social ills , its not an opinion, it is a fact of life

hate em, lock em up , go on about living................until the next one , which should be soon, going by the last two years.......................
 
  • #238
Yeah, I know. I was a single mom with 4 kids back at a time when there were NO programs or freebies of any sort for me. Even so, I didn't mow down a crowd of people to make them "feel my pain". Cry me a river. I hope they lock 'er up for a long time and give her more free treatment.

I am glad you were able to get out.

Of course that is what they are going to do her (lock her up) . There is a reason we operate the biggest incaration beast in the world.............and .look where its gotten us

They are slowly realzing that does not do much they are releasing thousands from jails recently ...not a panacea ...IMO
 
  • #239
If this happened in Egypt. I doubt they would bill tourist victims later. So the US needs to deem this a domestic terrorist act and pay these people hospital bills.

Btw. If she was homeless and sleeping in the car with her 3 year old. Then the cops should have been called to take her in. Jmo.

A domestic terrorist attack? Ha. If you cannot get people to admit that our school shootings are a terrorist attack, then you will never get people to admit that someone mowing down a crowd of people is a domestic terrorist attack. Or, maybe you can.. based on their own choices?

I would be all for your thought process, but not until my people (Americans) see that it is not what they CHOOSE, but the actual ACT. It seems like we like to CHOOSE a lot.
 
  • #240
I was young and poor with children also and a non supportive family, no help from anyone, I also was molested as a child and beat. I didn't run down people with a car or kill anyone. I took things day by day trying to be a better person than from which I came, not letting my past define me and raising my kids differently than what I was raised.
I hate all the excuses also, I worked my way to anything I had...someone who was with the forestry dept I would think had gotten a break or two. I did eventually find my breaks but it was on my own.
No one has an excuse to kill a bunch of strangers unless it is to protect yourself IMO. How much adversity have you overcome in your life? Did you kill people because of it? Even the people that did horrible things to you? To which I would probably understand, but I will guess the answer to all of these questions is NO.
 

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