NV - Jessica Valenzuela, 32, dead, 36 injured, car plows into crowd, Las Vegas, 20 Dec 2015 *arrest*

  • #341
I learned to sink or swim because someone told me I HAD to, so I did.


I'm tired of paying their bills and hearing excuses for their bad behavior.

:cow:

Respectfully snipped for space. And there we have exactly the issue you had to do it so everyone else should have to do it. Good that you had a swimming pool in the first place metaphorically some people are drowning from the get-go.
And then there's the old I'm sick of having to pay for these people because you know the welfare moms of the world are a drop in the bucket compared to the corporate welfare moms of the world but whatever. I'll stop now is this is why the political pavilion finally was closed and this isn't Really the conversation we need to be having I guess I don't know
 
  • #342
Hi Labor, Shouldnt the tox reports be done by now -- how long does it take? It seems like after a car wreck they can find out all that stuff real quick?

LE has the results. We get results back in less than an hour from a urine drug screen. Serum (blood) comes back in about the same time and that includes ethanol (alcohol) levels. For a more detailed analysis, it might have to be sent out and can take a couple days.
 
  • #343
I expect people to take responsibility for their choices. One of the hallmarks of mental illiness is inabilty to rationally think out before "behaving" .

Thats like asking a gold metal winner in a marathon, who had an illiness and one leg amputed, to run like he had before when he had two legs --doesn't work that way. imo -impossible

My feeling is that she MAY have an underlying mental illness (not saying she does) but that's very different from being criminally insane in the eyes of the law. In my opinion she knew right from wrong. She was an angry, hate filled woman who wanted other to be in pain and said so.
 
  • #344
Wonder if suspect even looked at the people she was allegedly knocking down with her car.
Had she been aware of the beauty pageant being held nearby, did that play a role in perhaps triggering envy and rage?
When the sheriff said earlier that he " was uncomfortable " stating the reason the suspect gave for her actions, is it going to be something awkward and highly debatable, like it was her time of the month, or simply she did not like what the people she allegedly knocked down looked like?
imo, speculation.
Could this be a case of Beauty versus beast?

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  • #345
When I saw the appearance I thought "mean girl" with a bit of a swagger :tantrum:
 
  • #346
IMO she appeared coherent as i stated above. Not jonesing. No remorse. IMO
 
  • #347
When I saw the appearance I thought "mean girl" with a bit of a swagger :tantrum:

I did notice the attitude but thought maybe the strut was from the leg chains because who would walk into a courtroom like that.
 
  • #348
I kind of think using a car as a weapon is throwing us "off".

Why her and why THIS?-We can say the same type of things about about Elliot doing drive bys

Why her and why THIS? We could say same about movie theatre masicare

Why her and why THIS? Can ask same question about hacking someone up and putting them in a suitcase

Why her and why THIS? We can ak same question about plunging a knife in a strangers heart

Why her and why THIS? We can ask the same question about going into a elemenatary schoool......

There are really no differences - I think we have gotten desnestized to gun violence - so that is easier to wrap our heads around . Just mo

I meant "Why THIS?" more in how did she come up with the idea, end up doing it, even if it was spontaneous. The other violent crimes or mass killings or suicide attempts are all things we've seen before. It's not like she read about someone doing this recently and obsessed on it or it was a copycat thing. I know her thought process is likely illogical but I'm still curious about the steps along the way.

Unless she paid close attention to the woman in Oklahoma who drove into a crowd at a parade, but she survived (though it might have been a suicide attempt) so it doesn't seem like an effective method, and didn't do nearly as much damage as Holloway did.
 
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So very sad. Especially this time of year. A Funeral and some will deal with the horror and their injuries either in or out of Hospital. I pray somebody from that "supportive" Family takes her Daughter in before Xmas. Hearbreaking to think she may have to spend it with strangers.
 
  • #352
When I saw the appearance I thought "mean girl" with a bit of a swagger :tantrum:

I thought arrogance and swagger and/or medicated but there's no way she's medicated so wth is that attitude? Why didn't she ask about her child? They tell her how long she has to wait... that would be my first question no matter what the rules are. I'm sure the judge would understand or her lawyer could say later.

I'm not familiar with how things work. Maybe it's not allowed. Or maybe she doesn't care.
 
  • #353
I thought there was a swagger to her walk as well.
 
  • #354
Here are the typical histories I would get in the chart .when I hear media blabbing about availible help.

This is the typical profile .....

Here is what the history of the family is when I would get them:

so when was dad incarcerated , before she was born

- he used heroin ? Yes?


how often was the power cut off? They shivered, or sweat to death, appromately 6 weeks on and off as far as we can tell the last year

I understand the little child found her mom passed out on the floor - yes twice

who took care of the children while mom was hospitalized no-one it appears they fended for themselves in the dark with no food

I understand her brother was murdered several weeks ago - yes it was a gang drive

Was she bonded with her older brother - very much so

From the documentation I understand moms first boyfriend beat mom regularly - yes

In front of the children yes on three occasions we are aware of - he is incarnated now..

I understand the department that has received several reports , regarding sexual abuse from moms second boy boyfriend

yes - he used crack



I notice here that mom was incarcerated for a two weeks several years ago - yes three weeks for marijuana dealing

- I see here the younger child was placed in foster care two years ago , yes but we found out one fo the foster care parent was beating her so we had to remove her -- we cant find placement for her at this time

I see here that mom did attempt to work at McDonald's and KFC but ended up terminated because she her car did not work , she had to try to bury her child that was murdered , and as result of her car not working , while unemployed had no means to try to get another job Yes

She had 14 court visits related to the department removing the younger sibling from the home , ( but was unable to read the 48 page document the department gave to appeal removal of custody). In addition ,but could not make the court hearings because she had no gas , so the the department had to determine that she was not following her treatment plan and had began removal of custody hearings . to get the rest of the children out of the home - yes we are in that process at the time of the event.

The court ordered parenting classes, substance abuse group therapy, individual therapy, which she was unable to make or participate in because she could not pay the costs of the court ordered " treatment" and her car was broken .

I see here that on unannounced visits by your agency the only thing found in the kitchen was a jar of peanut butter ---yes on two occasions we discovered that was the case mom reported she was unable to drive across town to get her food stamps, and when the power was cut off what she had spoiled

it says here upon visits that the children appeared disfhevled and not bathed - yes the water had been turned off due to lack of payment - mom described on several occasions that her neighbor let her use the hose , but mom did not want to infidge

I see that upon your last visit you observed one of the children has a gum infection, yes, moms car was broken at the time, but she got her aunt to drive her to the free clinic, but after waiting for six hours , and the aunt had to go to work so we had to leave

I see here that mom has one charge for domestic violence - yes when her crack abusing boyfriend started beating her - she struck him , the neighbors called LE and she was charged, but unable to make court appearances - yes mom never showed up

See here that mom got a DUI three years ago , yes, but she was unable to make the court hearings or pay the fines so her license was revoked resulting in her having a hard time trying to get another job at a McDonald's
yes she managed to try to interviews but was not hired because she had been terminated twice in the same year

I see here that a report was file with your agency 8 months ago from a teacher who reported that the child looked extremely exhausted and hungry yes the child was observed placing food in a bag at lunch time. When interviewed the child reported that she was trying to get some food for her mom and her older sibling

I see here that mom was evicted two years ago - yes the complex evicted her after her inability to pay rent

So the department believes that mom and children slept in the car or a public park for several months , yes according to moms reports she did not know what to do

I see here on several occasions LE charged her with loitering yes that occurred on two occasions

I see here that mom was arrested on two occasions for shoplifting - yes she explained that she was trying to get some food for her kids

I notice that her older brother has two juvenile placements before being murdered - yes in one instance he was dealing drugs to try and help his mother the rent - on another occasion he was arrested for burglary - he claimed he wanted to sell what he could get to help mom with the electric bill so his siblings would not shiver at night

I see here that mom had to drop out in 10th grade because because she became pregnant. Yes - does mom know who the childs father might be - unclear at this time - both are incarcarated at this time

this was not an unusual history at all social - in fact pretty much all the time
 
  • #355
CARIIS some of your pronouns are starting to confuse me. Could you use last names or initials? Or "Holloway's mother" or something? Who saw the mother abused, who shivered, who went to jail, etc. The various children is what's especially confusing. Was she sent to foster care of was her child? Etc.

Maybe it's just me. If it's too much trouble no problem. I'll read through a few more times and see if I get it. :)

I appreciate how much time and thought you've put in to this! Thanks.
 
  • #356
Wow her appearance in court today was not what I expected at all. No tears just seemed arrogant and annoyed, imo.

or no longer high and stunned at what she did
 
  • #357
CARIIS some of your pronouns are starting to confuse me. Could you use last names or initials? Or "Holloway's mother" or something? Who saw the mother abused, who shivered, who went to jail, etc. The various children is what's especially confusing. Was she sent to foster care of was her child? Etc.

Maybe it's just me. If it's too much trouble no problem. I'll read through a few more times and see if I get it. :)

I appreciate how much time and thought you've put in to this! Thanks.


Hi Blue

I was not doing "her" I was responding to media , claiming there is help out there , while having no clue what these families really live

get past it ----oh please .........
 
  • #358
I meant "Why THIS?" more in how did she come up with the idea, end up doing it, even if it was spontaneous. The other violent crimes or mass killings or suicide attempts are all things we've seen before. It's not like she read about someone doing this recently and obsessed on it or it was a copycat thing. I know her thought process is likely illogical but I'm still curious about the steps along the way.

Unless she paid close attention to the woman in Oklahoma who drove into a crowd at a parade, but she survived (though it might have been a suicide attempt) so it doesn't seem like an effective method, and didn't do nearly as much damage as Holloway did.

from looking around when this first broke it has happened a lot more than we remember!!

I think it was impulsive, fatigue, hopelessness, a what the he@l kinda thing ! Just mo

ot did not hear where, but there is somehting bad weather wise brewing
 
  • #359
IMO she appeared coherent as i stated above. Not jonesing. No remorse. IMO

its been several days , what else doeoes she have to do but sleep , has food , they have not said anything about hard drugs starting to wonder if it was like No DOz which would drain pretty quick IMO

Why they have not cleared up[ if we are talking hard drugs makes me think we might not be???
 
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