Found Deceased NV - Madelyn Lingenfelter, 19, Reno, 19 Sept 2018

[DakotaMayi]

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By hiding something, are you thinking they know where she is, or they know what happened to her. Wow, I can't imagine knowing something bad happened to a friend and not saying anything.

Me neither. It's an awful thought. But people do it all the time and they are not going to help themselves if they do know and are hiding it. The light always reveals what is hidden in the dark.

And yes, I think they are being too cagey to be really concerned for Madelyn. They appear more concerned for themselves. Of course, I could be wrong, but their actions have guilty written all over their faces. And their FB accounts.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I wonder if any searching has occurred on the California side of the border as it is not all that far away. Because they didn't find her in the area around the Events Center I think Madelyn will be found elsewhere. If she had done something to herself in that area I believe she would have been found. She would have to travel several miles on foot to be outside of where the searches occurred and the lack of a scent picked up by the dog teams (I believe there were 6 dog teams out) leads me to believe she is elsewhere and if so then someone else put her there.

Has the last person - not the Event Center employee - to see her alive been identified? I can't dismiss the Event Center employee's account but I would like to know who was last to see and speak with Madelyn prior to her vehicle arriving at the Events Center.

One other thing. While I have seen people asking friends of hers on FB if Madelyn had a boyfriend and the answer being "no" what I haven't seen is whether she had a girlfriend.

 

[Roxxi3535]

Just a thought.
While wondering why Maddy's car would be parked outside the Tannenbaum Event Center, I came to the idea that she may have gone there to interview for a job position.
Her friend/roommate replied within the comments of one of her FB posts that Maddy hadnt been working in the weeks leading up to her disappearance.
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So maybe she was looking to get hired by the Tannenbaum Event Center?

I decided to research job listings but couldnt find anything for the Tannenbaum in particular. However, i stumbled upon public records of the Tannenbaum property being sold in April of 2018 to a catering group known as "Roundabout."

With that information I then searched for job listings with Roundabout and this is what i was able to find...
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Unfortunately, when i clicked on the posting/job listing they were removed as the positions were no longer available, hence my reason for screen shotting the search results. One of them was posted on September 8th and another on August 31st.
Could there be some connection with the event center and Maddy's disappearance? Maybe she was at this location and something happened to her inside of that place?
I really was trying to make sense as to why she would be parked in such a remote location...
Again, just a speculation since there really isnt much to go off of at this point. I wonder if any search efforts took place inside the Tannenbaum?

For the record,
I no longer believe that this theory could be a possibility behind Maddy's disappearance.

 

[ThePhantom]

If she's in the area where the search team was, is it possible the dogs could have missed her scent? It seems that wherever she may have gone, if she in fact was there, the dogs would have picked up something. But I know dogs aren't perfect when it comes to this kind of thing. The only other thing I can think of at this point is that she got into a car with someone else and left the area. Still think her friends might have a sense for what might have happened.

 

[Roxxi3535]

If she's in the area where the search team was, is it possible the dogs could have missed her scent? It seems that wherever she may have gone, if she in fact was there, the dogs would have picked up something. But I know dogs aren't perfect when it comes to this kind of thing. The only other thing I can think of at this point is that she got into a car with someone else and left the area. Still think her friends might have a sense for what might have happened.

If the weather was hot out that day then yes, the heat can interfere with a search dogs ability to properly pick up on a persons scent.

 

[katydid23]

I am not sure she was even in her car when it got dropped off there.

 

[Roxxi3535]

I am not sure she was even in her car when it got dropped off there.

I also thought the same thing earlier on, along with a few other scenarios but im pretty convinced now that Maddy drove her car there, that she decided to park it in front of the Tannenbaum, abandon it, and then either walked into the nearby mountains or somewhere close to the event center with no plans to return. Shes somewhere nearby the Tannenbaum though since her family pinged her phone to this location long after she went missing and from what i understood, they located only her car, no Maddy and no phone. I really thought the Tannenbaum needed to be searched but i dont know if this was ever done.
I dont know how the 5 days of searching within the surrounding area came up empty but theyve obviously overlooked something IMO. Her friends may know more about where she had planned to go but no one is talking so its hard to assess if they may know more than theyre willing to admit or if theyve been advised not to talk about Maddys investigation. Wish LE would update the public on where this case stands. Been a while since weve heard from them.

 

[katydid23]

Good points, Roxxi

What is it that convinces you that she was the one that dropped off the car? The witness? Or something else that you have seen or read?

I am curious because I would feel better about this case if I could believe she was the one who dropped off the car there.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I am not sure she was even in her car when it got dropped off there.

I agree. I am not sure she was in her car either when it arrived at the Events Center.

I find the choice of that location odd. Especially if she were planning to go off into the wilderness. There are houses nearby and thus private property to cross. In getting to the Events Center she drove past well marked access roads to the wilderness trails at the Galena Creek Recreation Area and the Galena Creek Regional Park/Hiking Area. Both of which have multiple parking lots with easy access to the wilderness. Not to mention that she is from the north side of Reno, not far from the Airport, a handful of miles to the California border and closer to much more desolate areas in Nevada and California.

In addition the choice of where the car was parked is odd to me. The turn in to the Events Center is a right-hand turn from Sunridge Dr. There is a parking area to the left on Sunridge Dr. The parking area on the left is easy to pull into and not near any buildings. But where her vehicle was found it was in one of two parking spots that would be most difficult to see when driving along the Mt Rose Highway (431) due to the large tree to the right of her parking spot and the building to the left of her parking spot (on a different property). Her vehicle wouldn't be seen unless you actually enter the Events Center parking lot itself.

On the other hand, she was reported missing rather quickly. Could this have been prompted by the "letters" mentioned? (Were those actually letters that were mailed?)

If those "letters" were the impetus to contact law enforcement/file a missing persons report and those letters contained indications of self harm law enforcement would have been trying to find her phone. If her phone could be pinged (in the true meaning) they would have done so and found her car sooner. It is possible, however, that law enforcement did not make that effort though the only way I could see that is if they didn't know of the existence of any letters. At no time did Reno police or Washoe County Sheriff's list her as "endangered" missing. So, I have questions about these "letters" and when they enter into the equation.

We don't know if her phone was found in her car. I would like a better explanation of how the family came to find the car. People tend to use the word "ping" but if that were true her phone would be found in the car. Also, law enforcement would have been able to actually ping (in the true meaning) her phone before that. Her phone records would show where her phone was and help them with a time line. If her phone was not found in the car it could mean that she took her phone with her. It could also mean that someone else had her phone and only Madelyn's phone and car made it the Events Center but not Madelyn. If her phone was found I wonder if law enforcement can access it.

It is always possible that she is somewhere in the wilderness in the area of the Events Center but I have my doubts. There were multiple dog teams up there. I can understand a dog or even two not being able to pick up a scent but not all the dogs they brought up there. The search teams are very familiar with the area up there. There were two lost/injured recoveries up in the same area in the week after the search for Madelyn was suspended. It is not an uncommon occurrence. They were using their helicopter that from what they share about it has great cameras on it in addition to being manned by experienced people. So, I have my doubts she is up there.

Just because the search was suspended by the Sheriff's office does not preclude friends and family from organizing their own searches up there. Do we know if the family organized any searches? Have they still been searching up there on their own? I hope they are because as we both know that most missing people are not by law enforcement/official searches as they lack the resources to commit to such searches and most missing are found by walkers, joggers, hikers, hunters, or family organized volunteer searches.

What I don't like about this case is that we have no information about who the last person to see or speak with Madelyn was. We don't know when that was. Was it her roommate? Was it the day she went missing?

We don't know more about how it came about that the family found her car. I mean, was it really her family that took that initiative or was it a friend that did so and got the family involved. I would like to know who it was that pursued that/brought that to the family. Was it really a ping that led them there? Like "Find my phone"?

I would like to know why it was that she was not working in the weeks prior to her disappearance. Did she get fired? Quit?

Too many things bother me about this case. I lean towards someone being responsible for Madelyn's disappearance.

 

[Roxxi3535]

I agree. I am not sure she was in her car either when it arrived at the Events Center.

I find the choice of that location odd. Especially if she were planning to go off into the wilderness. There are houses nearby and thus private property to cross. In getting to the Events Center she drove past well marked access roads to the wilderness trails at the Galena Creek Recreation Area and the Galena Creek Regional Park/Hiking Area. Both of which have multiple parking lots with easy access to the wilderness. Not to mention that she is from the north side of Reno, not far from the Airport, a handful of miles to the California border and closer to much more desolate areas in Nevada and California.

In addition the choice of where the car was parked is odd to me. The turn in to the Events Center is a right-hand turn from Sunridge Dr. There is a parking area to the left on Sunridge Dr. The parking area on the left is easy to pull into and not near any buildings. But where her vehicle was found it was in one of two parking spots that would be most difficult to see when driving along the Mt Rose Highway (431) due to the large tree to the right of her parking spot and the building to the left of her parking spot (on a different property). Her vehicle wouldn't be seen unless you actually enter the Events Center parking lot itself.

On the other hand, she was reported missing rather quickly. Could this have been prompted by the "letters" mentioned? (Were those actually letters that were mailed?)

If those "letters" were the impetus to contact law enforcement/file a missing persons report and those letters contained indications of self harm law enforcement would have been trying to find her phone. If her phone could be pinged (in the true meaning) they would have done so and found her car sooner. It is possible, however, that law enforcement did not make that effort though the only way I could see that is if they didn't know of the existence of any letters. At no time did Reno police or Washoe County Sheriff's list her as "endangered" missing. So, I have questions about these "letters" and when they enter into the equation.

We don't know if her phone was found in her car. I would like a better explanation of how the family came to find the car. People tend to use the word "ping" but if that were true her phone would be found in the car. Also, law enforcement would have been able to actually ping (in the true meaning) her phone before that. Her phone records would show where her phone was and help them with a time line. If her phone was not found in the car it could mean that she took her phone with her. It could also mean that someone else had her phone and only Madelyn's phone and car made it the Events Center but not Madelyn. If her phone was found I wonder if law enforcement can access it.

It is always possible that she is somewhere in the wilderness in the area of the Events Center but I have my doubts. There were multiple dog teams up there. I can understand a dog or even two not being able to pick up a scent but not all the dogs they brought up there. The search teams are very familiar with the area up there. There were two lost/injured recoveries up in the same area in the week after the search for Madelyn was suspended. It is not an uncommon occurrence. They were using their helicopter that from what they share about it has great cameras on it in addition to being manned by experienced people. So, I have my doubts she is up there.

Just because the search was suspended by the Sheriff's office does not preclude friends and family from organizing their own searches up there. Do we know if the family organized any searches? Have they still been searching up there on their own? I hope they are because as we both know that most missing people are not by law enforcement/official searches as they lack the resources to commit to such searches and most missing are found by walkers, joggers, hikers, hunters, or family organized volunteer searches.

What I don't like about this case is that we have no information about who the last person to see or speak with Madelyn was. We don't know when that was. Was it her roommate? Was it the day she went missing?

We don't know more about how it came about that the family found her car. I mean, was it really her family that took that initiative or was it a friend that did so and got the family involved. I would like to know who it was that pursued that/brought that to the family. Was it really a ping that led them there? Like "Find my phone"?

I would like to know why it was that she was not working in the weeks prior to her disappearance. Did she get fired? Quit?

Too many things bother me about this case. I lean towards someone being responsible for Madelyn's disappearance.

The letters were left behind for her friends but the family will not elaborate on the content of those letters. In fact, it seems to be a very important part of this investigation but is pretty much being overlooked and kept from the publics knowledge. There was a slip up to indicate these letters exist on a relatives profile but it has never mentioned again.
This leaves a lot of room for speculation but I think its important to note that she left these notes for her friends and not her family.
What was said in these letters? I can think of many different reasons she would write them but what sticks out in my mind the most is the obvious. Shes saying goodbye to those whom are most important to her or shes confronting those whom have hurt her the most. I feel they were likely written as a kind farewell with possible explanation as to why she was planning to end her life. Writing letters to loved ones is a common practice prior to ones suicide. This is the most obvious speculation IMO.
However, like in many cases, the outcome could completely blindside everyone so I dont dare hold my breath here when the possibilities are that of endless.
My biggest conflict with this whole case is the matter of the family being able to ping her phone to the Tannenbaum Event Center which was how her vehicle was ultimately located. However, LE was never able to locate the phone, only her car. This is difficult for me to make sense of. She was already missing for two days when the family had pinged her phone. This leaves a huge question about her cell phones whereabouts. I would like to believe that Maddy kept her phone on her and if it pinged to the Tannenbaum location then shes somewhere nearby based on the ping results. Theres been a number of searches within a 5 mile radius of this location but nothing was found.
Is there a possibility that the search parties missed her altogether? Why would her phone ping to this location but when searched, the phone was nowhere to be found?

 

[Roxxi3535]

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[Roxxi3535]

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[ThePhantom]

It does appear that there is little in the way of family/friend group/community outreach for this young lady. It is painful to think she may have felt so despairing that her only option was the worst possible one. Even though the family thinks her car may have been planted there, I, too, am leaning towards her having parked it there herself and then heading off into the wilderness. I participated in a search several years ago in which a young man went missing in a large park -- certainly not a wilderness but still a big place. Police, dogs, helicopter searched for him, then stopped. This would have been the day after he went missing. About a week later, his family asked for volunteers to help look, so myself along with about 30 other people searched the park. Within 3 hours he was found, leaned up against a tree. I have no idea why the search dogs could not find him, as he wasn't that far into the park, and not far off one of the main paths. I say all this to say that -- I learned that day that dogs can't always pick up a scent, though I don't know why.

 

[Roxxi3535]

Am I crazy to think that it would be protocol for the Tannenbaum Event Center to have the entirety of the property under 24 hr surveillance?
I mean, people rent out and throw huge parties both inside and outside of this place. How could they not have interior and exterior cameras where drunk and obnoxious party goers might purposely or accidentally cause destruction to the property and/or its furnishings? The parking lot should also be under surveillance like any other venue would be. I would think the property insurance group would require this in the event should any legalities arise from one of these events attendees.

 

[ThePhantom]

Excellent point, Roxxi. I would be shocked to learn they do not have cameras surveiling the entire perimeter of the building.

 

[Roxxi3535]

Excellent point, Roxxi. I would be shocked to learn they do not have cameras surveiling the entire perimeter of the building.

Thank goodness you agree. Its weird there isnt anything mentioned at all about the event centers surveillance system. Im sure LE has addressed this but im still curious if there are any cameras.

Is it really even a possibility that this venue wouldnt have cameras monitoring the property?

 

[ThePhantom]

Cameras seem to be a basic and essential part of security for most buildings. A facility like this that hosts business events, tourists, weddings, conferences, corporate events, etc. would definitely need security cameras to help ensure the safety of their guests. Let me look at some pictures of the building to see if I can spot any cameras.

 

[Roxxi3535]

Cameras seem to be a basic and essential part of security for most buildings. A facility like this that hosts business events, tourists, weddings, conferences, corporate events, etc. would definitely need security cameras to help ensure the safety of their guests. Let me look at some pictures of the building to see if I can spot any cameras.

Ive been researching online trying to locate records, permits, licenses, if anything official is required for a surveillance system to be in an event venue, no requirements. Im ready to call there tomorrow and just ask like im interested in booking for a lavish event. Was thinking id tell them there will be celebrities attending and start to question them about privacy and the security of my famous guests...

 

[ThePhantom]

That would be great, Roxxi! Of course one would hope that the police would have done this two weeks ago - it’s possible if there was video that it’s now gone. If they don’t have cameras — wow

 

[Roxxi3535]

That would be great, Roxxi! Of course one would hope that the police would have done this two weeks ago - it’s possible if there was video that it’s now gone. If they don’t have cameras — wow

I wouldnt believe them if they told me that place was not under surveillance. Oh man, id only be left to speculate even more as to what could have happened to this poor girl... LE needs to provide the public with an update already. What is happening with Maddy's case?

 

[ThePhantom]

Yes the radio silence is — odd. I can’t recall a missing person case in recent memory in which no updates were given or pleas to the public for information. Is this because LE believe they already know what has happened?