NV NV - Steven Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #22

  • #961
Yes, agree. Sadly if he was randomly murdered for some reason, I don't think they would take the time and effort to conceal the body and bury him. Much easier to just dump the body somewhere that would end up on a landfill.

If he did snap, and wander off into the desert there could be a possibility his remains may be found eventually. The desert not having much brush, I find it so crazy that it takes so long to find people's remains in such an open area, yet it appears to happen more often than you'd think.
 
  • #962
I still believe the killer, who is certainly the one with initials MD, strangled Steven and then put him inside the moving van. Then driven and dumped in the desert. His residence in Pahrump would be a pretty stupid place to bury him, if he has the whole desert to use
 
  • #963
It would be foolish of me to dismiss a burial in the desert or discarding the body in a dumpster. Both are plausible theories. However, both require transporting the body at the risk of discovery while in the disposal process. History is replete with murderers burying bodies on the murderers own property.

I have found both MD and his father were both adept at construction, good with their hands. I also know the home was being remodeled by the father at some point during MD's stay there. The risk of discovery at burying the body on site is a lower risk of discovery, imo. It wouldn't take long to bury the body several feet down, then place concrete over it, like a patio pad. This method would be relatively easy and effective, at least until LE actively starts looking. Ergo, a starting point by ruling this site in or out.
 
  • #964
It would be foolish of me to dismiss a burial in the desert or discarding the body in a dumpster. Both are plausible theories. However, both require transporting the body at the risk of discovery while in the disposal process. History is replete with murderers burying bodies on the murderers own property.

I have found both MD and his father were both adept at construction, good with their hands. I also know the home was being remodeled by the father at some point during MD's stay there. The risk of discovery at burying the body on site is a lower risk of discovery, imo. It wouldn't take long to bury the body several feet down, then place concrete over it, like a patio pad. This method would be relatively easy and effective, at least until LE actively starts looking. Ergo, a starting point by ruling this site in or out.
I agree that all of those possibilities should be investigated but starting with the one location closest to where he was last seen. It seems as if more concrete evidence is needed in order to move forward with the search of specific properties. Maybe it would make sense to look at the prior stops again on the drive towards Vegas - the intend and specific stop location of which is still dubious but clearly in a specific location. Interestingly this is where the Lat/Long confusion comes in also. If a connection can be established to why he was there, maybe this would provide more context to push for further investigation in Anthem or help to establish why he ended up on that street in Anthem.
 
  • #965
I get what you're saying Glovey, neither of the residences should be ruled out. Its entirely possible he was buried at 2260 or pahrump, I was just thinking in the moment, that presumably, the moving van was already at 2260 when Steven (most likely) stopped by and a deadly confrontation/argument happened, (though i am not sure if it was ever documented exactly what time the van showed up in the driveway) if in his drug induced state of mind, after strangling him, panicked and decided he needed to get him off the property ASAP for fear someone might be looking for him. Especially if Steven joking could have said "I almost gave the money/pills to a guy on the other street over there". Which could have made MD think that neighbour called the police, or neighbourhood watch.. Which could be why the entire contents were moved out, to make it appear no one was living there, and therefore no one had a reason to stop
 
  • #966
If anyone is interested theres photos of the residence here https://www.realtor.com/realestatea...ing-Lights-St_Henderson_NV_89052_M21356-92750 and they are marked 2010, likely taken that year, since I read it was under foreclosure in early 2010. One has to wonder why "the home was being remodeled by the father at some point during MD's stay there" if it was being foreclosed, but i am not sure of the exact timeline. The backyard looks kind of creepy. But its not entirely private, since the neighbours windows are in view
 
  • #967
I hope no one takes this the wrong way but I'm not sure why most unsolved disappearances are equated to a murder..there are other things like coercion, kidnapping, abductions, drugs, human trafficking, freak accidents, suicide etc which exist in the world...and we have no body as of yet. How has it been confirmed as homicide and who killed him ?
I want to be clear upfront- this isn't meant to be argumentative. You're right to point out that there are many possible explanations in this case, some of which may be more likely than others. But at the end of so many of those possibilities- accidental overdose, trafficking, coercion- the outcome often circles back to the same tragic end: some degree of death. That doesn't negate alternate theories; it just highlights how often they converge on the same result.

With Stephen's case, we have a few undeniable facts. He was separated from his car. He wasn't found near it, nor was his body ever recovered from anywhere along the logical path he might have taken. That alone doesn't prove foul play, but it does rule out several scenarios as unlikely.

For example, in over 15 years, a freak accident- one that doesn't leave a trace, body, or clue - stretches believability. The same goes for suicide. There are multiple lines of reasoning to doubt that outcome, but even if you put those aside, it's rare for a suicide to leave absolutely no trace after this much time.

Drugs? Sure, an accidental overdose is conceivable. But again- where is the body?

Coercion is possible too. Maybe someone talked Stephen into disappearing, isolating himself, staying silent for 15 years. But why? And how? If coercion was the vehicle, it likely fed into something darker like trafficking, forced labor, abuse and those outcomes often end fatally, especially when the person doesn't resurface. It's not uncommon for coercion to be the means of disappearance, not the reason.

And then there's the timeline. Statistically, individuals caught in trafficking rings (particularly males Stephen's age) are not held for 15 years. The average span is closer to 15 months. So if ths was trafficking, the lack of any "return" or body suggests a more permanent outcome.

That's why I come back to the likelihood that Stephen met with foul play, even if it wasn't premeditated. But here's where I think your point deserves more traction: maybe we're too focusd on the why. Maybe it wasn't about motive or revenge or even intent. Maybe it was a tragic series of events- a confrontation, a misstep that led to panic, cover-up, and silence.

This is where Occam's Razor might apply though not to narrow the field to the most sinister suspect, but to suggest that the simplest explanation could be a bad situation that spiraled, followed by people doing everything they could to hide what happened. That may be more plausible than some grand motive or elaborate plan. Maybe the answer lies not in "Who wanted him dead?" but "What happened that made someone desperate to keep it hidden?"

Just thinking out loud really.
 
  • #968
I agree, highly unlikely Stephen is still alive, just wish his family had closure. I also agree that even though it seemed his life was not in a good place, that suicide in that location seems strange, with no note and no body discovered after so much time. His life spiraling, the car being found as it was (said it appeared he'd been living in it), perhaps the spiral was from drugs? Changes in his behavior, desperately looking for a job/money and not returning home to family when in financial trouble could indicate drug abuse, definitely some poor mental state of mind. Unfortunately, addiction happens to all types of people from all walks of life, if drug use was a consideration. Those closest to him may have seen personality changes etc and thought it was stress, I don't recall if his family when interviewed thought his behavior was different. I do believe he wasn't on that particular road in that particular neighborhood randomly, he drove there with a purpose. Whether he left there alive with someone/others or deceased leaving his car behind is the question. Other posters said there did seem to be a drug connection to some people in his life. Being involved in that world can have bad consequences, which seems plausible here. Other posters have said the one house on the street had some people living there with questionable backgrounds. Like others as we think about this case, it does seem Stephen met with trouble, either that day of arrival in that neighborhood, or somewhere else with the people he may have left with that day. If he got in a vehicle and ran into trouble in another location the search becomes a lot tougher/wider on where Stephen could be.

Wonder if the police detailed what was found in his car? I know family said it was messy, appeared he'd been living out of it. I recall the trunk had his resumes more scattered than neatly in a folder, but wonder if anything else was found that would pique interest? Something written down, addresses, names?
 
  • #969
There's been a lot of cases of people falling asleep somewhere random and ended up missing say in a garbage dump and the truck came and didn't see them...

He didn't have a room to go back to technically as he was drowning in rent debt and might have been avoiding the apartment altogether.

But that being said I agree with both of the posters above and that seems to give his possible outcome a lot more clarity.
 
  • #970
New podcast about Steven's case--with a very interesting breakdown of the various scenarios!!

 
  • #971
New podcast about Steven's case--with a very interesting breakdown of the various scenarios!!

The mysterious phone call to stevens (which didn't have the "normal" information on the call log) the evening of the 12th (possibly when he was shopping) is definitely crucial to the case. I don't agree with nearly all of Ed's views on the topic, I think he's way off, though I do like his podcast a lot. I'm literally quite shocked he doesnt think the landlord or MD is involved, considering all the clues
 
  • #972
The mysterious phone call to stevens (which didn't have the "normal" information on the call log) the evening of the 12th (possibly when he was shopping) is definitely crucial to the case. I don't agree with nearly all of Ed's views on the topic, I think he's way off, though I do like his podcast a lot. I'm literally quite shocked he doesnt think the landlord or MD is involved, considering all the clues
One thing I notice about Ed in a lot of his
podcasts, he outright says he doesn’t speculate. I didn’t listen to his episode about Steven, but perhaps he just wasn’t speculating. Not sure, though.
 
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  • #973
  • #974
Fairy, thanks for still paying attention after all theses years!

I just can hardly believe this article. They have no clue. And, there is such a thing as”retiring” sort of attitude from some folks. Very discouraging.
 
  • #975
Is Vegas known for any type of mining jobs out in the desert etc? Sorry if it's coming off ridiculous as I'm nowhere near any side of that part of the world


Just a passing thought
 
  • #976
The way I see it, he's either buried (a) under a house or empty lot (b) in the desert, wilderness, forest or (c) in a landfill. With such an incredibly vast area, it will take a miracle to find him. Though it is possible, as there was the case of a young girl who disappeared in 1984 (Jonelle Matthews) and her remains were discovered in 2019 by chance in a field when a crew was digging a pipe line 24 kms away from her house. Unfortunately with this being public forum, the killer could be very well reading this. For that reason, I do have a couple ideas to move the case forward, but I don't want to put it here. It's well within the police's ability to have tried my ideas but I doubt they have by now, but perhaps legally they cannot. But with the people who played a part in Stevens life in the days leading up to (and the day of) his disappearance (technically not named as suspects) getting older as the years pass, it's only a matter of time until one day it will be too late
 
  • #977
The way I see it, he's either buried (a) under a house or empty lot (b) in the desert, wilderness, forest or (c) in a landfill. With such an incredibly vast area, it will take a miracle to find him. Though it is possible, as there was the case of a young girl who disappeared in 1984 (Jonelle Matthews) and her remains were discovered in 2019 by chance in a field when a crew was digging a pipe line 24 kms away from her house. Unfortunately with this being public forum, the killer could be very well reading this. For that reason, I do have a couple ideas to move the case forward, but I don't want to put it here. It's well within the police's ability to have tried my ideas but I doubt they have by now, but perhaps legally they cannot. But with the people who played a part in Stevens life in the days leading up to (and the day of) his disappearance (technically not named as suspects) getting older as the years pass, it's only a matter of time until one day it will be too late



Same that's what I think too like he perhaps had an accident or got stuck checking out a work site somewhere such as mining etc. I don't always get too hung up on drug/murder theories as Steven had no prior history of that and that can also be demeaning/insulting to their character since we didn't know them. I think the simplest explanation is always the most likely.
 
  • #978
Same that's what I think too like he perhaps had an accident or got stuck checking out a work site somewhere such as mining etc. I don't always get too hung up on drug/murder theories as Steven had no prior history of that and that can also be demeaning/insulting to their character since we didn't know them. I think the simplest explanation is always the most likely.
To each their own but to me there's too many clues pointing to him being murdered over an altercation involving drugs/money and disposed of. From what Ive read on here about people that knew him, he was naive and not street smart, and could have easily been duped to do shady work for his landlord. It's incredibly sad the police didn't put more effort into it at the time it happened. So many methods could have been used that would have easily moved it forward and wouldn't have cost anything. I just don't think they took it seriously. Unless of course the Las Vegas area is the disappearance capital of the world and they don't have the staff to adequately work the cases, which is possible. I just hope the case is solved in my lifetime, or the rest of his family's lifetime
 
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  • #979
To each their own but to me there's too many clues pointing to him being murdered over an altercation involving drugs/money and disposed of. From what Ive read on here about people that knew him, he was naive and not street smart, and could have easily been duped to do shady work for his landlord. It's incredibly sad the police didn't put more effort into it at the time it happened. So many methods could have been used that would have easily moved it forward and wouldn't have cost anything. I just don't think they took it seriously. Unless of course the Las Vegas area is the disappearance capital of the world and they don't have the staff to adequately work the cases, which is possible. I just hope the case is solved in my lifetime, or the rest of his family's lifetime



What would illicit such a reaction as to resorting to murder say if it was drug transportation, tho? I would think only if it was a dupe substance like washing powder etc but other than that it's a very violent and strong unwarranted reaction. If they needed someone to do shady work for them why kill him if he's the mule? I just don't get it. Unless they wouldn't pay Steven and some sort of altercation happen I don't know..
 
  • #980
If its allowed Im going to summarize the case for those new here (apologizes if i make a wrong statement)

Steven was three months behind in rent and refused financial help from his family. No landlord is going to let it slide that long without some kind of plan. His landlord and his wife never stated what the plan was to the police, which is kind of strange, but they should have pressed more. Steven drove like a maniac in the days before his disappearance, going thousands of kilometers. He even had a blanket and pillow in his car, which is similar to what his landlord did (sleep in his car apparently. The landlord had delivered pills as a job but later was found to have stolen/expired pills at his residence). According to the Eyeson Justice podcast, the landlord had so many charges against him, one more would have put him in prison. For this reason its possible he needed someone to continue delivering the stolen pills. For someone with pretty much no money, Steven had to have a purpose and surely was given money for gas. One could guess he may have been dropping off resumes however BUT he was pretty much promised a job in the early 2010 from one of his church leaders. One of those stops he made was 13 miles from where his landlord lived. He may have stopped at his house for instructions/directions/money/pills. The evening before he went to Henderson, he got a weird phone call according to Ed denzel's unfound podcast which was not able to be traced.

When Steven drove to Henderson that day, his vehicle was filmed going down on Savannah Springs (from a house at the intersection of Savannah and Evening Lights), and not leaving, which is where it was later found. After the car is out of frame, the camera stops recording as its likely motion controlled. During this time a resident at the second last house on that street claims he saw Steven coming to the front door and saying "Do you need money" or "Do you want money" to the resident, as the story has been told two different ways. He also said Steven said "I need money" from across the street, so the story is muddled. Regardless, 6 minutes later, the house camera then films Steven walking toward the intersection and turns left on Evening Lights. He becomes off camera mere meters away from the front of 2260 Evening Lights which is also the second last house, where a 41 year old lived (initials are MD) in a casita but his parents were not living there at the time. MD was a drug user, and had domestic violence charges. It was also the only family that didn't want to be part of the neighbourhood watch. The neighbour across the street said she noticed a moving van and "suspicious activity" that day (but didn't elaborate) and the residents moved boxes for 3 hours. One might guess Steven went to the wrong house at first, and then may have went to his destination (2260), mentioned this to MD (mentioned on the Eyeson Justice podcast) who wanted to keep his drug dealing on the down low, Perhaps he was suspicious that Steven was an informant, perhaps he was high on drugs then, or something else went wrong in the conversation that made him freak out and strangle him. Later on evidence of drug use was found as well as holes punched in the walls.

Stevens phone moved north later that afternoon, it was found his landlord attempted to contact him, eventually the signal stayed in one spot, possibly battery died, at the north end of the city, near the freeway and not too far from a moving/storage company. His landlord called him very early the next day, like 7am and at least 10 times the next few days. That seems odd to me, if they had a legitimate plan to pay back rent, why call so many times? Steven had a house mate, Jordan, who claimed that the landlord would just show up at the rental house whenever he wanted, he never called ahead of time. So its highly doubtful the landlord called Steven to say "I'm coming over to the rental house today"

Steven surely was not planning to be there long, as a frozen pizza was found in his car a few days later. A missing flyer of Steven was taken down at that house also. Police contacted the parents of MD and told them they wanted to talk to him. Well, he never did contact police...they saw him one day at the house 2 or 3 months later and he was "visibly nervous" every time the topic of Steven was brought up. He also said "I can't say I have seen him" instead of just "No". Didn't want to tell police where he was living, only that he stayed at the casita once in a while.
 

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