NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #10

[sarx]

I could see why they wouldn't search near his home. It's 130 miles or so away correct? If he was last seen on video in Henderson and there was no evidence (phone pings, transactions, anything) that would put him back there AND he was on foot, it makes sense.

Is there some reason that you think he might have ended up back there?

 

[Sin City]

I could see why they wouldn't search near his home. It's 130 miles or so away correct? If he was last seen on video in Henderson and there was no evidence (phone pings, transactions, anything) that would put him back there AND he was on foot, it makes sense.

Is there some reason that you think he might have ended up back there?

No particular reason why SK would be back in St. George. It was just something that we all were discussing, as we tried to come up with ideas.

Some folks have questioned if it were actually him on the surveilance video also.

 

[sarx]

Interesting thought.

Was there anything ever odd in his banking? Anything that would point to gambling, getting into debt with someone who hurt him?

 

[Sin City]

Interesting thought.

Was there anything ever odd in his banking? Anything that would point to gambling, getting into debt with someone who hurt him?

He didn't have any money. He was behind on his rent. He didn't use money his family had deposited into his account, and he didn't cash a check his grandmother had given him.

He wasn't make much money marketing for a window washing business in St. George. We don't know exactly how much money he was making, or how he was paid.

He did a lot of driving around prior to disappearing, however we do not know if this had been his routine the month or so prior to his disappearance.

There's just so much we haven't been told, and we've understood that this is neccessary.

 

[Sin City]

Here is a list of all the scenarios, pros and cons of them.

http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/scenarios

Sarx, I just wanted to bring this link over in-case you hadn't seen it yet.

 

[sarx]

Were all of the neighbors interviewed?
I could see the possibility of the SUV in the video dropping someone off at the mailboxes, the person then walks back from the mailbox to their house, the SUV slows down to wave, whatever and then goes on their way.

What was SK's connection to Henderson?

If it was him that walked by, how busy would the golf course have been at that time?

Looking at google earth there doesn't appear to be anywhere for him to really walk off into open space/land, is that correct?

 

[Sin City]

Were all of the neighbors interviewed?
I could see the possibility of the SUV in the video dropping someone off at the mailboxes, the person then walks back from the mailbox to their house, the SUV slows down to wave, whatever and then goes on their way.

What was SK's connection to Henderson?

His family isn't aware of any connection to Sun City Anthem.

If it was him that walked by, how busy would the golf course have been at that time?

It was Sunday, Dec 13th. I imagine quite busy, as my husband & his friends always golf on Sundays. The golf course has been checked into. I don't know if it was family, or LE.

Looking at google earth there doesn't appear to be anywhere for him to really walk off into open space/land, is that correct?

There is a gate off the culdesac that leads to a slightly open area.

 

[sarx]

When you searched were you off the dirt road that would be West of Via Seranova? Was that wash checked where the dirt road "u's"

 

[Sin City]

We don't know if every member of every household was spoken to, and we haven't been told if anyone has gone back to SCA to speak to anyone they weren't able to talk to.

 

[sarx]

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There is a gate off the culdesac that leads to a slightly open area.

Always hard to visualize on google earth, but it looks like it would be a mile or so before he got to open desert?

 

[sarx]

Had he ever been to Henderson before? That's a long ways away to go for a sales call for window washing.

 

[Sin City]

When you searched were you off the dirt road that would be West of Via Seranova? Was that wash checked where the dirt road "u's"

The end or beginning of the wash is on the map for the search area, but I wasn't quite that far. We would have to get a response from some of the other searchers in order to confirm this, yet I believe so.

 

[hollyblue]

Sarx, To find all of the discussions on the connection on Susan's thread would be almost impossible, as there is a Steven in that case also. Unless someone else wants to try their search skills.

I know it was on the first of Steven's thread that another poster and I brought up the idea, but it hit the fence.

 

[Sin City]

Sarx, I wasn't able to bring over all the posts, but I'm going to list a few that have some information from searchers. I believe this will be valuable to you.

Thread #8
4-10-2010 #344, 358, 375, 398

 

[MBLover]

I don't know how to check the past weather in our area, but we did have rain for about a week, I want to say about a month or so ago. There is a fellow WSer who lives close to the area of the search, and he may be able to answer the question of when the last time water was really moving through those washes.

go to www.wunderground.com

You can get weather information history for the dates you are looking for.

 

[believe09]

I think the presence of those dogs at the search last weekend are causing some confusion. Granted, I wasn't there of course, but it sounds like the PI and a couple of searchers just brought their pet dogs along so they could get some fresh air and some exercise. Considering this was potentially a crime scene and there was a chance Steven's remains were out there, I find this kind of irresponsible, especially of the PI, who really should know better. I just find it strange that people would think a search for human remains is a good opportunity to bring their dog along 'for fun'. It was a search after all, not a Saturday picnic. IMO.

On another note, is another search planned? I am just recalling Naegle's post from a few days ago where she warned WSleuthers to, and I'm paraphrasing, stay out of the area that was searched and out of SCA itself because it is the site of an active criminal investigation. This is also confusing to me. If they think there is more terrain that needs to be searched, and if they still think Steven or evidence of Steven is in this area, why isn't another search planned for this weekend? And why isn't LE involved? Between this, him bringing his dog along, and the PI's supposed statement that trained cadaver dogs 'wouldn't work' in finding Steven's remains (isn't that what cadaver dogs are trained for?) I'm beginning to question what this PI is all about.

I will set the subject aside when everyone else is ready to, but now I am wondering if there is a reason that the dogs would not have been disclosed to the general public or searchers as SAR dogs?

SWJAXON indicated in his last few posts that the PI is retired LE/LVPD and was on the force for 25 years IIRC. I am starting to get the feeling with some of the rest of you that there was more going on behind the scenes for this search than was stated up front. Perhaps it was an attempt at smoking someone or something out.

 

[believe09]

I think, seeing as how Steven has yet to be found, every theory is welcome and open for discussion. I think, again seeing how Steven hasnt been found, that every bit of information that has been accumulated up until now is also open for discussion. Because the thread is about Steven. JMO.

The conversations regarding the groups-what group might be likely to want to do away with someone who was a part of it? I am thinking that Steven was not undercover for any particular reason, like that he was a lure for law enforcement. It does seem logical to believe his reason for being in SCA had something to do with the prospect of work-so did he happen on a crime scene or what made him disposable if you believe that he is deceased?

He didnt tell anyone what he was "up to" as far as we know at this moment. So we know it wasnt necessarily his "loose lips" that made him a target of this group. What could he have possibly known?

HMMM

 

[sbakker]

I think, seeing as how Steven has yet to be found, every theory is welcome and open for discussion. I think, again seeing how Steven hasnt been found, that every bit of information that has been accumulated up until now is also open for discussion. Because the thread is about Steven. JMO.

The conversations regarding the groups-what group might be likely to want to do away with someone who was a part of it? I am thinking that Steven was not undercover for any particular reason, like that he was a lure for law enforcement. It does seem logical to believe his reason for being in SCA had something to do with the prospect of work-so did he happen on a crime scene or what made him disposable if you believe that he is deceased?

He didnt tell anyone what he was "up to" as far as we know at this moment. So we know it wasnt necessarily his "loose lips" that made him a target of this group. What could he have possibly known?

HMMM

I also believe everyone has their own theory what happened, and they are passionate about their own theories. But SK has not been found, and yes there is a timeline. And it is wonderful. But then we have to realize some of it is speculation. I think many people are seeing different scenarios, that might change the information on the timeline. And if we get more info coming in, and it changes, that will be for the good! (by the way, it is a wonderful timeline). I often go to it, after I read something here, on Facebook, etc.

We all have our strengths, and our life experiences to help us find SK. Thanks to you all here, I am expanding on my possible theories because of all of you. I am open-minded, and invite all possibilities, even if you think it sounds crazy.

 

[laytonian]

If someone "knows" what happened but it doesn't fit the timeline then create a new timeline with that information and then overlay them and figure out the possibilities as to why they don't match or could match.

Sorry, off my soapbox.

Thank you. That's exactly what I've been saying. I even offered to put whatever timeline they came up with, as a link on the timeline page. Or on the scenarios page. The posts are here.

I'd like the see the alternate-theory folks take the information from the Susan Powell case and this case, and create their own timeline.

The only thing I've ever stated (interpreted as "ridicule"?) is that we have some facts (witnesses who saw Steven on the 6th (church group), 7th (church group), 8th (his boss), 9th (at least six people at the temple) and 11th (two latchkey children and confirming phone records) and some dated/timed paper receipts found in the car. Based on the length of Steven's drive to Ruby Valley (1100 miles) and the time available, there was only one available date for it to fit into.



Off mine, too.

 

[laytonian]

Were all of the neighbors interviewed?
I could see the possibility of the SUV in the video dropping someone off at the mailboxes, the person then walks back from the mailbox to their house, the SUV slows down to wave, whatever and then goes on their way.

What was SK's connection to Henderson?

If it was him that walked by, how busy would the golf course have been at that time?

Looking at google earth there doesn't appear to be anywhere for him to really walk off into open space/land, is that correct?

Actually, there is.

Look at the satellite view of where the car was parked, and then follow Evening Lights up all the way. Zoom in. There is a golf cart path that leads into the golf course area, at the very top of Evening Lights.

The homes sit on ridges, with Revere Golf Course laid out in the "canyons".

Few agree with me, but I see the possibility that Steven saw the mountains in the distance, parked, and walked. Through the golf course, west -- and would have ended up quite near where the search was held...if he made it that far.

We've been told the family walked the golf course. It was also reported that, after the heavy rains, the drainage channels and outlets were checked.

But I wonder about all of those drainage ponds in and around that neighborhood. Or the rocky slopes leading down into the golf course.