NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #10

[CONCRNED CTZN]

He drove 1100 miles, round trip, to meet up with AN - without so much as a certainty that she'd be there.

The drive to Henderson was a piddle in the bucket compared to that.

The thing that bothers me about that is that AN's posting on Facebook didn't even mention that she may have known he was coming there, "My mom informed me." I can't surmise if SK's mother thinks AN knew or not that SK was coming. And if AN did know, she sure didn't act like it.

I mention this because it goes to his state of mind...what was he hoping to accomplish by going there? It would make more sense if AN knew nothing of him going there...and that his Henderson trip was more of the same....trying to find ???????

 

[laytonian]

The thing that bothers me about that is that AN's posting on Facebook didn't even mention that she may have known he was coming there, "My mom informed me." I can't surmise if SK's mother thinks AN knew or not that SK was coming. And if AN did know, she sure didn't act like it.

I mention this because it goes to his state of mind...what was he hoping to accomplish by going there? It would make more sense if AN knew nothing of him going there...and that his Henderson trip was more of the same....trying to find ???????

Speculation:
I think he was trying to reconnect with someone who didn't share his feelings, which his mother hinted at. He knew she lived and worked in SLC. That's where they'd met.
I remember a nice guy wanting to reconnect, but I just didn't think we clicked. I actually did give him a polite brush-off (PBO), like "I'm sorry, I'm going to be out-of-town that week".
If she had done that, using "the ranch" as an excuse, he may have misinterepreted what she was saying as "if you want to talk, that's where I'll be" rather than a PBO.
Can you imagine how sad he'd have been, to find out it was a PBO?
I sense sadness in AN's postings. And extreme sadness in SK.

I think something like that may have occurred, because he thought she'd be there - and she wasn't. Her parents politely said "change of plans".

 

[ThePhantom]

Very astute analysis, and I can picture it.

 

[laytonian]

Laytonian,
When you brought this up before, I thought it might be an angle...but that does not explain his "walking" fairly confidently to a noon meeting on EL. AND the numbers on the EL and ET do not coincide, so he would have only put the street number and not the street name when looking for directions.

The N family I found, doesn't live on ET. That's the thing.

He wouldn't have been looking for ET/EL house numbers. It would only have been a street he turned onto, to get to the street the N family lived on.

My Magellian would not have let that work...and Mapquest would have said it does not exist. For this reason, I didn't really spend much time on the AN family member.

I don't know if this was a family member. It was just one of those odd coincidences I thought we should bang around a bit:
A famly with the same name as SK had visited three days before, living near a street with a near-identical name as the street he walked down.
SK's family talks how he enjoyed doing genealogy; maybe he had found something on the N family, as a way to ingratiate himself. Maybe he had done temple sealings of N ancestors, and wanted to tell them about it?

If you do enough genealogy, you find everyone's related way back when.

Do you still feel like this is viable, and if so...how would he have searched the address? There is probably something I am missing.

If Steven had directions, I think they were on paper. He had no Magellan, Garmin, and (evidently) had never searched for that address through his computer.

Before I got my own Garmin, I'd be driving in strange cities and have to follow a map I'd printed out from online mapquest.

I was always making wrong turns. And someone's directions given over the phone could be even worse or more confusing.

I drove and walked confidently, because I didn't know I was in the wrong place.

ANYWAY, I was just giving it as an example as the kind of thing we'd played with and discarded.

 

[hollyblue]

He drove 1100 miles, round trip, to meet up with AN - without so much as a certainty that she'd be there.

The drive to Henderson was a piddle in the bucket compared to that.

Do we know this to be certain? Or was it just a side trip while he was in the area? We have been told, in the beginning, that the visit was a surprise to all the N family.
As far as the N family in Henderson...do we know they are definetly related or just common in name?

The simplest connection between the two areas seems to be gambling or the atmosphere of---so anything that may be connected to that. Don't forget the mention on GW's FB of a trip to Wendover.

 

[carbuff]

Did we ever look in Mesquite and Overton to see if there were people there he might know?

added: and Wendover.

 

[Paulette]

I did a bit of that, finding an N family right across Anthem Parkway from where Steven's car was found. I was just curious if he was trying to contact all of AN's relatives in hopes of winning her back. It was intriguing, because there's an Evening Twilight on one side of Anthem Parkway, and Evening Lights on the other. We see Steven walk north on Evening Lights.

He could easily have gotten to the N home by parking where he did -- but that idea got voted off the island.
If there's an angle that's been missed, it's not because we haven't tried.




I wasn't aware of that. How did you find that out?[/QUOTE]

The man across the street noticed his car gone at about 10:30 pm Saturday night. It's in your timeline. Don't you find it strange that a man with limited funds would leave his home late at night? Where did he sleep? I think it was you that wrote that his cell phone pings were captured all over Las Vegas. I have to assume he drove to Vegas since no one has come forward to say he spent the night with them.

I admit I've not followed his case from the get go. Everytime I visited this thread, you guys were talking about some religious aspect. Not that I don't like Mormonism, my great-great grandparents came from Ireland to be Mormons & my great-grandmother was a member of the Temple. I just have didn't have anything to add to the conversation.

Is there a place in your timeline that can tell me about AN? I agree with you, that may be the reason he came to Anthem.

 

[sbakker]

As religious as he was, something was important enough for him, not to plan on attending church that day.

I agree with you. So maybe he was meeting someone for a church meeting down there. Now wasen't there someone in LV from his BH ward?

 

[sbakker]

Do you think there is a possibility, he followed someone into the subddivision? Didn't he look dowwwn the road,and then went past the street and parked? Or he saw the car of the person he was meeting parked in front of the home?

 

[hollyblue]

I did a bit of that, finding an N family right across Anthem Parkway from where Steven's car was found. I was just curious if he was trying to contact all of AN's relatives in hopes of winning her back. It was intriguing, because there's an Evening Twilight on one side of Anthem Parkway, and Evening Lights on the other. We see Steven walk north on Evening Lights.

He could easily have gotten to the N home by parking where he did -- but that idea got voted off the island.
If there's an angle that's been missed, it's not because we haven't tried.




I wasn't aware of that. How did you find that out?[/QUOTE]

The man across the street noticed his car gone at about 10:30 pm Saturday night. It's in your timeline. Don't you find it strange that a man with limited funds would leave his home late at night? Where did he sleep? I think it was you that wrote that his cell phone pings were captured all over Las Vegas. I have to assume he drove to Vegas since no one has come forward to say he spent the night with them.

I admit I've not followed his case from the get go. Everytime I visited this thread, you guys were talking about some religious aspect. Not that I don't like Mormonism, my great-great grandparents came from Ireland to be Mormons & my great-grandmother was a member of the Temple. I just have didn't have anything to add to the conversation.

Is there a place in your timeline that can tell me about AN? I agree with you, that may be the reason he came to Anthem.

All we have on the 12th is a trip to the Mesquite area, back to Ut to buy presents in the evening, and supposedly a X-mas party at ward member's house, which he didn't stay long for and abruptly left. Then the sighting of him at around 10:30 being home and shortly leaving again....til the phone conversations and the video tape. If I have any of this wrong guys, let me know.

 

[RubyRed]

Do you think there is a possibility, he followed someone into the subddivision? Didn't he look dowwwn the road,and then went past the street and parked? Or he saw the car of the person he was meeting parked in front of the home?

I think it was mentioned he slowed at the street . IIRC we later found out there was some bump or grate in the road that would have caused him to slow down.

With as long as the video was kept on the security cameras , if there were any other car involved or around other than the RE car that we saw, hopefully LE or the PI would know.

 

[laytonian]

The man across the street noticed his car gone at about 10:30 pm Saturday night. It's in your timeline. Don't you find it strange that a man with limited funds would leave his home late at night? Where did he sleep?

Maybe he went to a C-store for a snack and came back to sleep in his own bed?
He may have driven straight to Vegas.
We don't know.

I was hoping you did. That's all.

We know he was in Mesquite, then Kmart, then home at 10:00 and left again -- but nothing before, between, or after.

I think it was you that wrote that his cell phone pings were captured all over Las Vegas.

I'm sorry, it wasn't me. I've not even seen anything like that here.

I have to assume he drove to Vegas since no one has come forward to say he spent the night with them.

I admit I've not followed his case from the get go. Everytime I visited this thread, you guys were talking about some religious aspect. Not that I don't like Mormonism, my great-great grandparents came from Ireland to be Mormons & my great-grandmother was a member of the Temple. I just have didn't have anything to add to the conversation.

Is there a place in your timeline that can tell me about AN? I agree with you, that may be the reason he came to Anthem.

AN posted, late in December or early January, on the "Help Us Find Steven Koecher" website.
I've got a bit about Steven going to her ranch for a cattle-branding, but I try not to put anything personal about anyone (except Steven) on the timeline. I do, though, link to some things

 

[laytonian]

I think it was mentioned he slowed at the street . IIRC we later found out there was some bump or grate in the road that would have caused him to slow down.

Fasteddy4 drove through there, and mentioned it as a drainage dip. You can see it in the satellite image.

With as long as the video was kept on the security cameras , if there were any other car involved or around other than the RE car that we saw, hopefully LE or the PI would know.

From what we've seen so far from the PI, he's very detail-oriented - and we know that Mr Security gave the family "a stack" of CDs to look through.

 

[hollyblue]

Maybe he went to a C-store for a snack and came back to sleep in his own bed?
He may have driven straight to Vegas.
We don't know.

I was hoping you did. That's all.

We know he was in Mesquite, then Kmart, then home at 10:00 and left again -- but nothing before, between, or after.


I'm sorry, it wasn't me. I've not even seen anything like that here.



AN posted, late in December or early January, on the "Help Us Find Steven Koecher" website.
I've got a bit about Steven going to her ranch for a cattle-branding, but I try not to put anything personal about anyone (except Steven) on the timeline. I do, though, link to some things

What about the X-Mas party at PD's house? Wasn't that mentioned as being on the 12th...but we have no confirmation?

I believe it was gsmith's post on the last thread informing us of the pings all over the Vegas valley.

 

[Lato]

Search of Nevada desert offers few clues of missing man
By Bryon Saxton (Standard-Examiner Davis Bureau)


Last Edit: Apr 13 2010 - 12:18pm


BOUNTIFUL -- The weekend search of the Nevada rocky desert surrounding the Henderson Executive Airport turned up few clues in the disappearance of former Bountiful resident Steven T. Koecher.

Koecher, 30, son of Rolf Koecher of Bountiful, has been missing since Dec. 13, 2009. He was last seen in a upscale Henderson, Nev., neighborhood.

In Saturday's search, bones were found, Koecher said, but it has been determined that they were not human. A pair of pants similar in size to what Steven may have worn were also found, he said.


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http://www.standard.net/topics/sear...ch-nevada-desert-offers-few-clues-missing-man

 

[carbuff]

Here's the post with the information about the pings all over the Las Vegas area:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV NV-Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson MSG 13 Dec 09 thread #9

 

[laytonian]

Search of Nevada desert offers few clues of missing man
By Bryon Saxton (Standard-Examiner Davis Bureau)

BOUNTIFUL -- The weekend search of the Nevada rocky desert surrounding the Henderson Executive Airport turned up few clues in the disappearance of former Bountiful resident Steven T. Koecher.

Koecher, 30, son of Rolf Koecher of Bountiful, has been missing since Dec. 13, 2009. He was last seen in a upscale Henderson, Nev., neighborhood.

In Saturday's search, bones were found, Koecher said, but it has been determined that they were not human. A pair of pants similar in size to what Steven may have worn were also found, he said.

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http://www.standard.net/topics/sear...ch-nevada-desert-offers-few-clues-missing-man

Thanks.

I had actually emailed with Naegle yesterday, and when she described the bones, it was obvious that it was either a horrific crime scene OR the results of a butchered animal. I'm glad that they turned out to be nonhuman, because the thought was too painful.

One thing I should have mentioned, but the bones were too heavy on my mind, was the size of the Dockers pants: 31 waist, 32 inseam. She thought they'd be too small for Steven, based on his weight.

 

[laytonian]

Here's the post with the information about the pings all over the Las Vegas area:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV NV-Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson MSG 13 Dec 09 thread #9

Thanks; I'd missed it.

A coworker of my husband (who'd previously worked for a major cell phone co) told me a few weeks ago that trying to triangulate a cellphone's location in a highly-populated, urban area is nearly impossible. If one cell tower is busy, your phone just looks for another. Somewhere like Vegas, the towers would be much closer together than in a rural area - and so hitting a tower miles away, wouldn't be out of line.

It's not like the Dru Sjodin and Kim Family disappearances, where the cellphone was in a rural area and triangulation was possible.

 

[sbakker]

All we have on the 12th is a trip to the Mesquite area, back to Ut to buy presents in the evening, and supposedly a X-mas party at ward member's house, which he didn't stay long for and abruptly left. Then the sighting of him at around 10:30 being home and shortly leaving again....til the phone conversations and the video tape. If I have any of this wrong guys, let me know.

When be left the party abruptly, maybe someone at the party said,hey its getting late, we need to leave now, or it will be to late to get out of town! Steven went and grabbed a few things and off they went. The other person took his car, because he told Steven, he was going to stay longer to visit friends or some other excuse. Just a thought.

 

[RubyRed]

Koecher said he has proposed to Henderson police they do a DNA test on the clothing, along with other items such as pillows and books that were found that day at what was a recently deserted homeless encampment.

The search did generate a call to police, from which someone resembling Steven Koecher was reported being seen at a dental school in the area, Koecher said.

Outside of requesting DNA testing on those items found in the deserted homeless encampment, Koecher said, at this time he doesn't know what his next move will be.

http://www.standard.net/topics/sear...ch-nevada-desert-offers-few-clues-missing-man

I guess it is a wait and see now.