NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

[laytonian]

That is interesting, another JZ with Sacramento as an alternate address. Didn't Sk mention he might go to Sacramento to his friends parents when he went to visit them?

Yes, according to N's family but he didn't go there.

The JZ in Sacramento is not the JRZ in this case. Different middle initial, and related to an older man who has lived there for years.

 

[rd_jfc]

I know we're at the mercy of what Mr. Surveillance guy (who thankfully was able to provide valuable information from his surveillance) can tell us, but were all the vehicles driving by his house that morning identified, or so many that is ridiculous, or what?

It seems to me that SS being closer to the Parkway would be where a taxi would come down to an address on EL. Is traffic pattern such that most traffic goes on over on street beyond EL and skips SS, or likely that vehicles would either come in or exit that block via SS?

Can any identifiable transportation such as taxi be unlikely since was not seen driving by on SS?

If vehicles could not be identified, how many? Busy? Any kind of clue as to whether a vehicle came in even a bit before noon to pick him up?

rd

 

[grayjay]

I'm sorry. :innocent:

OK, what if everyone else WALKED to the party - and Steven was the only non-neighbor guest? Or there were not other guests. (We've done this one before.)

Apparently no one in SCA saw a thing. :banghead:

Except for one person there, who didn't tell the truth, didn't get caught (due to an impeccable background), and knows what happened. In our area, this happened with a well known person who did eventually get caught as a Peeping Tom. People didn't, at least right away, figure out that he committed suicide because the whole thing was about to come out, but later it proved to be the case. This case took many years to come to the light.
I'm very suspicious about that suicide in SCA for this reason.

I still think he was "getting right" for those five minutes, before a lunch meeting. If he'd wanted to look his very best, he had his shave kit along. And the way he carries those papers suggests to me that he planned to present them in a nice folder later in the meeting, and they could be set aside until needed.

When I was in the pits of depression over the same things as SK one time, people said I should act like it wasn't bothering me and I'd bounce back fast. It worked, and I think SK was putting his best foot forward from the minute he exited his car.

 

[RubyRed]

I have often wondered what the security video showed one hour before and after we see Steven.

 

[laytonian]

I know we're at the mercy of what Mr. Surveillance guy (who thankfully was able to provide valuable information from his surveillance) can tell us, but were all the vehicles driving by his house that morning identified, or so many that is ridiculous, or what?

It seems to me that SS being closer to the Parkway would be where a taxi would come down to an address on EL. Is traffic pattern such that most traffic goes on over on street beyond EL and skips SS, or likely that vehicles would either come in or exit that block via SS?

Can any identifiable transportation such as taxi be unlikely since was not seen driving by on SS?

If vehicles could not be identified, how many? Busy? Any kind of clue as to whether a vehicle came in even a bit before noon to pick him up?

rd

All we know is that various eyes have scanned those videos.

A great WSer even researched all the cab companies, and we sent a description of those cabs to the family --- just to see if anything with distinctive markings appeared on the video tape before or after the male figure is seen walking.

 

[laytonian]

Except for one person there, who didn't tell the truth, didn't get caught (due to an impeccable background), and knows what happened. In our area, this happened with a well known person who did eventually get caught as a Peeping Tom. People didn't, at least right away, figure out that he committed suicide because the whole thing was about to come out, but later it proved to be the case. This case took many years to come to the light.
I'm very suspicious about that suicide in SCA for this reason.

The 38-year-old fire marshall/ex-cop who was involved in the barricade situation? He had several issues going on. He had an Anthem address, but was not in SCA. His Henderson address wasn't near Anthem.

I still think he was "getting right" for those five minutes, before a lunch meeting. If he'd wanted to look his very best, he had his shave kit along. And the way he carries those papers suggests to me that he planned to present them in a nice folder later in the meeting, and they could be set aside until needed.

When I was in the pits of depression over the same things as SK one time, people said I should act like it wasn't bothering me and I'd bounce back fast. It worked, and I think SK was putting his best foot forward from the minute he exited his car.

I really hope he had an appointment, and that it led to him being able to move on elsewhere....rather than a tragic ending. I just can't figure out what could have happened inside SCA that could be hidden for so long.

 

[laytonian]

I have often wondered what the security video showed one hour before and after we see Steven.

I want to know what it shows up until his phone goes dead on the morning of Dec 14th. Could he have walked back and slept in his car that night?

And what about the homeless camp?
Or that "I'm a dental student and he came in and I know it was him because he was so polite" tip?

 

[Paulette]

I want to know what it shows up until his phone goes dead on the morning of Dec 14th. Could he have walked back and slept in his car that night?
And what about the homeless camp?
Or that "I'm a dental student and he came in and I know it was him because he was so polite" tip?

Are you supposing he was handing out fliers that day? Did anyone ever admit to seeing one of his fliers on their door? Or, was one ever found in the neighborhood?

I just went to the tip archive and didn't see any tip about a dental student. Can you please tell me where this tip is located.

 

[Leomoon80]

REF:

Are you supposing he was handing out fliers that day? Did anyone ever admit to seeing one of his fliers on their door? Or, was one ever found in the neighborhood?

It certainly appears that Steven was carrying something under his arm, like papers or a folder (black folder?):

See timeline again:

Inside his abandoned car: advertising flyers, miscellaneous receipts, snack food, Christmas presents, shaving kit, coats, pillow(s), blanket(s).

under December 18th log:
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html

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[Paulette]

Laytonian, I just read the article "Inside Story An outpouring of friends, strangers" Rolf was the one that found the video surveillance man. There was never a mention of Steven coming back to the car and sleeping. Once he walked by that camera he never reappeared.

 

[Paulette]

Leomoon, read the story about Rolf's search for Steven. He never mentions one iota of proof from any of the neighbors that they had ever seen a flier. Or Steven. That's why I think he had a private appointment with someone that had nothing to do with fliers. He didn't come back to the car.

 

[laytonian]

REF:

It certainly appears that Steven was carrying something under his arm, like papers or a folder (black folder?)

That's the general assumption. They'd found some similar items in Steven's room, days after he disappeared:
As Steven's friend gsmith posted here on WS: "Rolf was also saying Steve had a number of empty black folders in his room similar to what Steve was possibly carrying in the video."

As for the flyers question: no. No resident had one, it was out of his territory, his boss said he wasn't there selling....and none were found in the neighborhood. And, if he had been passing out flyers (against the HOA rules), wouldn't he have stopped at all the homes instead of just walking along the street?

 

[Leomoon80]

Leomoon, read the story about Rolf's search for Steven. He never mentions one iota of proof from any of the neighbors that they had ever seen a flier. Or Steven. That's why I think he had a private appointment with someone that had nothing to do with fliers. He didn't come back to the car.

I think you are correct! He never returned to the car and more then likely, it appears he had some type of something or other he was carrying, perhaps an appraisal for a job quote.

A "pre-arranged appointment" I would think and that would acct. of those extra minutes in the car as well as the December 14th (next day), retrieval of his Voice Mails by "someone" the following day in Las Vegas.

The "pre-arranged" person ....must have been on that cell phone and needed to eliminate his name from it in Las Vegas on December 14th.

(IMO)

 

[laytonian]

I think you are correct! He never returned to the car and more then likely, it appears he had some type of something or other he was carrying, perhaps an appraisal for a job quote.

A "pre-arranged appointment" I would think and that would acct. of those extra minutes in the car as well as the December 14th (next day), retrieval of his Voice Mails by "someone" the following day in Las Vegas.

The "pre-arranged" person ....must have been on that cell phone and needed to eliminate his name from it in Las Vegas on December 14th.

(IMO)

The phone records have been checked by the family, LE and the investigators.

There were no unidentified phone numbers. The only one that seemed suspicious was quickly solved: the call Steven had made to the latchkey childrens' mother. (Dec 11th)

Just because you "erase" it from the phone's internal memory, doesn't mean it disappears.

All the calls (in/out) are on your cellphone records.

 

[Paulette]

Could Steven have fallen for a con-job from some kind of predator on his travels in the previous 2 days. I don't want to be blunt about what I'm referring to, hope you can read between the lines. Someone that assured Steven he worked for a newspaper or could get him a client about washing windows?

Someone that lives in Anthem or Steven was told to meet at a certain address? Picks him up to go see this client. Never to be seen again. I don't think this is a far fetched idea. What else is there?

 

[seekingsusan]

So if Steven's landlord was staying at the house on the weekend of Dec. 12th/13th, that could explain why Steven arrives at 10 pm and quickly leaves. He was probably avoiding a confrontation about the past due rent. (I know we heard that they were "working it out," but it would still be uncomfortable for Steven)

 

[laytonian]

So if Steven's landlord was staying at the house on the weekend of Dec. 12th/13th, that could explain why Steven arrives at 10 pm and quickly leaves. He was probably avoiding a confrontation about the past due rent. (I know we heard that they were "working it out," but it would still be uncomfortable for Steven)

We don't know exactly which day(s) they were there ... but yeah, that's been something we've mulled around. The night they stayed, they were reportedly coming back - so would have been there a night or two before?

They could have even called him, and asked to meet about the rent money (possibly knowing that Steven's parents had made the deposit).

 

[carbuff]

I looked up the weather for December 13 and December 14 in the Las Vegas area:

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KLAS/2009/12/14/DailyHistory.html

Rainstorms moved through overnight of 12/13 December, but had cleared by noon (look at the link for archive radar if you want to see it). It was blustery (which can be seen in the wavering shadows in the foreground of the security videos). The daytime temperature on the 13th rose to 59F, dropping to 43F overnight. There was a 5-10mph wind parts of the time. The sun set around 4:30pm local time and there was almost no moon (new moon on the 15th).

43F is plenty cold enough for a person to die of hypothermia, depending on conditions. SK doesn't seem to be wearing a very warm coat.

The combination of chilly weather and early darkness make me worry that he went out for a walk to try to clear his head -- maybe walked farther than he intended to -- didn't make it back before dark -- stumbling on that rough ground, turning an ankle or falling into a ditch -- not dressed warm enough and injured...

 

[RubyRed]

Are you supposing he was handing out fliers that day? Did anyone ever admit to seeing one of his fliers on their door? Or, was one ever found in the neighborhood?

I just went to the tip archive and didn't see any tip about a dental student. Can you please tell me where this tip is located.

The dental tip came out about the same time as the search. Here is the post that mentions the dental school tip.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV NV-Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson MSG 13 Dec 09 thread #9

 

[laytonian]

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The dental tip came out about the same time as the search. Here is the post that mentions the dental school tip.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV NV-Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson MSG 13 Dec 09 thread #9

I don't think it was in any news sources either. It was something Deanne mentioned to the searchers. Since there was no location, no date, no time - it was one of those interesting things that we couldn't do much with. LE was supposedly going to investigate. If they turned up Steven having been the polite patient, wouldn't there at least be a BOLO issued?

If we knew which place it was, we could find out if they required identification before they treated anyone (even a charity case). I can't believe they'd treat people anonymously without signing all the legal stuff you have to sign anymore.

Maybe someone in the charity dental business can help us out on this one?