NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

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  • #81
Of course, you could be right. But whatever it was, it seems it was all arranged in such a secretive manner. Why? Would Steven really have been so gullible as to believe that was normal and legitimate.

His Bishop had told him he would help him find work come the first of the year. His family had tried to help him. I understand pride, but it seems the urgency was removed from his dire financial situation. So what would have him take off to meet someone (secretly) in Henderson, on a Sunday when he should have been elsewhere? And WHY is there NO trail of it, whatsoever?

Why didn't the bishop help him find one sooner? Why wait till the first of the year. Maybe it really wasn't sincere or Steven couldn't wait till then. Perhaps he was humiliated his parents even knew about him being behind on rent, and was determined not to accept money from them.
 
  • #82
Honestly - I discount nothing. I just have to wonder if he was really so desperate as to fall for some kind of deadly ruse.

Maybe he realized in his recent travels that his religion was not working for him?

Maybe we have found the right answer, just not the right connection. Whatever it turns out to be, I sincerely doubt it'll make much sense anyway.

I'm sure we've mentioned the answer, and discounted it due to some belief. I think we (everyone, including his family) see him as a pure soul who would never go against his core beliefs.

Maybe we need some of our fresh minds to look at the various scenarios we've come up with, and tell us where we've gone wrong in discounting some of them.

And suggest some, with pro and cons. (Or don't get angry if someone mentions a "con" or two).

Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?
 
  • #83
Why didn't the bishop help him find one sooner? Why wait till the first of the year. Maybe it really wasn't sincere or Steven couldn't wait till then. Perhaps he was humiliated his parents even knew about him being behind on rent, and was determined not to accept money from them.

Maybe because finding him a job before Christmas, meant he couldn't start until the holidays were over ... since he was going to spend a few days with family?

Kinda like:
"I can't start that job now, because I need to take a vacation first."
 
  • #84
When I was doing some poking around earlier in the investigation, I discovered that there are quite a number of business licenses registered to the addresses on Savannah and Evening Lights -- the house he parked in front of is a mortgage services company, there's a software company, and one that appeared to be a woman doing EBay buying and selling. So an interview in the area is plausible, though I still have my doubts he would be doing that on a Sunday. But home-based businesses often need to do business at odd times, so possibly.

There was also a residence with ties to the media.....something right up Steve's alley. There were also many people going through foreclosures in that area, including the house SK parked in front of, as well as the house where the SUV stopped. Both in RE. Since foreclosure was so rampant at that time, many people in the area took a tremendous dive financially. Some homes sold for less than half what the original owners paid. The value has been knocked back---not just a slow market. Many of the people could have lost their homes in real estate investing also. Could there have been a reason for these people to want services of some kind? I know people have tag sales or estate sales, although I don't think they would be allowed in that area. I know that these are two areas the family has occupations in....could there be a connection there? Just thoughts...
 
  • #85
We don't NEED it - it just IS! That's my point. His life was basically an open book for anyone caring to look - up until he came to Henderson/Vegas. Then - NOTHING! Don't you wonder why? It's as if it was intentionally hidden. WHY?

But see, I don't think it was intentionally hidden.

He told the church members who called him, where he was. That's not hidden.

That tells me, anyway, that he likely couldn't hide a thing or carry out a secret plan.

After all, if you have a deeply secret and complicated plan to disappear, why would you tell anyone where you were?
 
  • #86
This is my question! If Steven came here specifically to end his life - which doesn't make sense to me anyway - why hasn't he been found? He didn't bury himself. And what was his method? Gun doesn't sound like Steven. Overdose? Death by hypothermia? Wouldn't it make more sense to go north for that rather than south?

Steven's Mom is confident Steven would not have missed church to go for a job interview on a Sunday - even in light of his circumstances. If not for a job prospect - and a serious one - what other task would possibly take him from his responsibilities?

Truly I understand how it would seem impossible that SK's body wouldn't have been found by now, especially if you are used to an urban setting. Do you remember the story of Steve Fossett, the adventurer whose plane crashed a few years ago in Nevada? CAP searched and searched and searched for the wreckage and never found it. A hiker stumbled onto it long after the search had been called off--over a year after he had gone missing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Fossett Granted, that is a much larger area to search, but searchers were using aircraft and looking for shiny, metal wreckage.

If Steven is in the hills beyond the golf course (which is the theory I'm leaning toward now) it really is like looking for that proverbial needle in the haystack. Carbuff, Sarx and maybe others can attest to how difficult it is to search when you are away from cultivated, developed, manicured, patrolled city and in wild, inhospitable back country.

Here is another story about a skeleton which was found at Webb Hill just outside of St. George and literally a stone's throw from a radio tower. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-35636.html A bunch of the information about this case is no longer available online which is a bummer because it is such an intriguing and sad mystery. It is estimated that this young man had been there since around 1918 and maybe died during the flu epidemic. He lay in a little cave, undiscovered, for 70 years. He was barely outside the city, close enough that kids on an afternoon hike stumbled upon him.

That SK's body hasn't been found if he did indeed commit suicide doesn't weaken the theory in my mind. The only thing that I'd like to neatly wrap up is why he was there. In Henderson. I think it was Laytonian who said that the reason may end up being something we just aren't ever going to be privy to but that would make perfect sense if we knew. Or something like that. :)
 
  • #87
Maybe because finding him a job before Christmas, meant he couldn't start until the holidays were over ... since he was going to spend a few days with family?

Kinda like:
"I can't start that job now, because I need to take a vacation first."

Couldn't the church have helped him catch up on his rent and get groceries? His Bishop obviously knew he was in trouble, why wouldn't he step up and offer to straighten things out ASAP? Isn't that what the church is there to do - help their own?
 
  • #88
Couldn't the church have helped him catch up on his rent and get groceries? His Bishop obviously knew he was in trouble, why wouldn't he step up and offer to straighten things out ASAP? Isn't that what the church is there to do - help their own?

Yes -- and that's what the LDS Church Welfare System is all about.

But you have to get a recommend FROM your Bishop (whether you are LDS or not) to get into that program. Maybe that's the process that the Bishop was beginning, when he and Steven talked?
 
  • #89
Yes -- and that's what the LDS Church Welfare System is all about.

But you have to get a recommend FROM your Bishop (whether you are LDS or not) to get into that program. Maybe that's the process that the Bishop was beginning, when he and Steven talked?

I don't understand the process myself, but I guess that's my question. Why didn't the Bishop offer to help immediately? Is it possible Steven wasn't entirely truthful about his situation?

That goes along with other things we do know - the money from his Grandma and Mom. He was determined to dig himself out of his own hole.
 
  • #90
Truly I understand how it would seem impossible that SK's body wouldn't have been found by now, especially if you are used to an urban setting. Do you remember the story of Steve Fossett, the adventurer whose plane crashed a few years ago in Nevada? CAP searched and searched and searched for the wreckage and never found it. A hiker stumbled onto it long after the search had been called off--over a year after he had gone missing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Fossett Granted, that is a much larger area to search, but searchers were using aircraft and looking for shiny, metal wreckage.

If Steven is in the hills beyond the golf course (which is the theory I'm leaning toward now) it really is like looking for that proverbial needle in the haystack. Carbuff, Sarx and maybe others can attest to how difficult it is to search when you are away from cultivated, developed, manicured, patrolled city and in wild, inhospitable back country.

Here is another story about a skeleton which was found at Webb Hill just outside of St. George and literally a stone's throw from a radio tower. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-35636.html A bunch of the information about this case is no longer available online which is a bummer because it is such an intriguing and sad mystery. It is estimated that this young man had been there since around 1918 and maybe died during the flu epidemic. He lay in a little cave, undiscovered, for 70 years. He was barely outside the city, close enough that kids on an afternoon hike stumbled upon him.

That SK's body hasn't been found if he did indeed commit suicide doesn't weaken the theory in my mind. The only thing that I'd like to neatly wrap up is why he was there. In Henderson. I think it was Laytonian who said that the reason may end up being something we just aren't ever going to be privy to but that would make perfect sense if we knew. Or something like that. :)

I remember that case!

The mystery about why the rocks were stacked, isn't as much of a mystery if the weather was cold. Those rocks could have been his protection from the elements, especially if he was running a fever. He could easily have stacked them himself, as protection - knowing that if he survived, he could knock them back out.

Maybe they should take DNA from the remains. He may be related to half the people in Utah by now ;)
 
  • #91
But see, I don't think it was intentionally hidden.

He told the church members who called him, where he was. That's not hidden.

That tells me, anyway, that he likely couldn't hide a thing or carry out a secret plan.

After all, if you have a deeply secret and complicated plan to disappear, why would you tell anyone where you were?

Right - I should say his destination and intentions were hidden.
 
  • #92
I don't understand the process myself, but I guess that's my question. Why didn't the Bishop offer to help immediately? Is it possible Steven wasn't entirely truthful about his situation?

That goes along with other things we do know - the money from his Grandma and Mom. He was determined to dig himself out of his own hole.

Except the Bishop WAS going to help dig him out of the hole.

I know a few of my LDS friends would confide things to their Bishop, that they'd never tell their family.
 
  • #93
Right - I should say his destination and intentions

The only bad feeling I have against ANY of those church friends who talked to Steven that morning, is this: WTH didn't any of you THINK to ask him what he was doing there?
 
  • #94
The only bad feeling I have against ANY of those church friends who talked to Steven that morning, is this: WTH didn't any of you THINK to ask him what he was doing there?

I still think one did ask and does know, why he was there.
 
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Does AN have any other love interests that may have seen SK as competition? I don't know what to think at this point! Did any of her family, cousins, distant cousins have any reason to try to protect her? Or anyone connected to her?

I'm not convince anything like this happened, but I'm just throwing things out there.
 
  • #97
I still think one did ask and does know, why he was there.

Then they should say.

Obviously, IF they are involved, they wouldn't have had to ask.
 
  • #98
Then they should say.

Obviously, IF they are involved, they wouldn't have had to ask.

I have always felt it was indirectly. Also he has an alibi.


ETA: And saying something could implicate him, so he keeps quiet. JMO
 
  • #99
Does AN have any other love interests that may have seen SK as competition? I don't know what to think at this point! Did any of her family, cousins, distant cousins have any reason to try to protect her? Or anyone connected to her?

I'm not convince anything like this happened, but I'm just throwing things out there.

I was kinda taking the "protective" angle, when I googled for the same last name...and found that family right across the parkway. But that made little sense, and a same last name isn't a connection.
 
  • #100
I have always felt it was indirectly. Also he has an alibi.


ETA: And saying something could implicate him, so he keeps quiet. JMO

Maybe he has revealed that he knew more, which is why the K family is now protective of him? It wouldn't be very much, considering that the entire call (starting with the ring) only rounded up to two minutes.
 
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