NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #20

[OldSteve]

would still be interested to know most recent job search activity and if there was any in the week or two prior to disappearance, esp in the nevada area...also how did it seem like his got most of his leads for jobs? had he ever answered a craigslist ad before? that wouldn't seem unusual on an email search if it had been some time prior but it would be relevant to a way he met people. did he do most of his searching online, by newspaper, by driveby, or all of the above. we know he did at least some online as a version of his resume is up and of course he did not always use his own computer. someone brought up a house phone early in the threads where he was living but that seemed kind of quickly dismissed...was there one? there are plenty of times my cellphone dies and I wish I had a housephone around. if he had used craigslist prior, maybe they could even be requested or subpeonad or something by a lawyer to show the months worth of records prior for the region.

most surveillance cameras are not very clear. it could be possible that steven had visited this place before during the night, or that someone revisited that car during the night to clean it up etc, and and we may not know. it seems like he did make a prior trip to vegas or henderson based on mesquite receipt and overton cell phone ping prior...his behavior seemed to grow more erratic after his conversations with his parents, when they found out about him being so behind on rent, that is when he seemed to maybe grow more desperate, just a few days before disappearing. I don't think the trip up to ruby valley was to see AN, although of course I could be wrong. I think he had a good idea she would be in SLC, but was in the area and wanted to stop in and say hello bc so rare for him to be in the area...couldn't quite explain his reason for being in the area so said he was possibly going on to sacramento, wanted to know if AN was there, etc.

I don't think we will probably know more until physical evidence is stumbled upon by an unsuspecting person, if ever, at this point. most of our good time windows have passed and the best ones passed before anyone even knew he was missing. the official searches have all cooled down. if I lived in SCA around anyone who had lived on evening lights or portsmouth I would def be watching because I think the answers have always been on that street (or streets). had he ever done church activities anywhere in nevada and may have met people through there? or possibly, someone on these streets had relatives or friends who lived in st. george. maybe they had ties to wendover or the ruby valley area. if it was closer to the time he disappeared, someone could have retraced his drive at the times of day he drove it and asked everyone at the little stops he made if they saw him, did he mention anything, was anyone with him, etc. sounds like this may have been done for the southern areas but have not read about wendover etc area yet. I do understand that window has passed. are there flyers in those areas still just in case, even where he went up north?

it concerns me that the family did not find the passport until sometime had passed bc did not want to go through all of his things...I assume by now everything has been picked over by people who knew him well and not just LE who may not be able to see something out of character? I know that they did everything they felt capable of doing, at the time.

If it seems like I am beating a dead horse, please feel free to not respond unless you feel like it!! no need to be annoyed, just ignore and I will get caught up eventually. I think there is still at least some information/evidence to be found it is just that the only ones privy to it would be law enforcement, family, PI. there are many places we can't look and people we can't talk to bc coming from a random person it is more of an invasion of privacy.

do they use metal detectors for searches? because if something is buried the only way to find like, a belt buckle, may be something like that. except for dogs but it would be too late for that.

BBM

I enjoy reading your thoughts. Lets face it, despite all the words that been written here, this case hasn't been solved...

 

[SassyBenton]

Could someone direct me to the thread, article, etc. that would assist me in figuring out which house is questionable in some people’s eyes? I know we are not allowed to post the address or name of the owner, and can’t seem to figure out how you guys figured out the address, etc. If I am not allowed to ask this, please let me know, I do not want to get in trouble. Thanks.

 

[believe09]

Here is the challenge Sassy-we had a one shot poster who set some of us on that path. The poster's post was moderated. Once a post is moderated, we can't discuss it or the poster again. House rules, mainly because if your post was moderated, I am certain you wouldnt want the rest of us discussing it.

Now, if you take a look at the video of SK walking, and the reflection in the window of the parked vehicle, it appears that SK crosses the street pretty close to a house. Some even believe that he crosses paths with a car that appears to be parked in front of the house....I never saw that part when I viewed it, but my brain doesnt always work that way anyway, lol. If you go back to the video, watch for yourself and see what you see. If you believe that SK parked his car in order to meet someone in that neighborhood, it seems to be relevant to wonder if he did stop in front of a particular house and why.

IMO.

 

[SassyBenton]

Thanks! That makes sense as to why I couldn’t find an exact post regarding this.

 

[sophieness]

can I discuss if I don't say names, addresses? I have seen a couple houses mentioned. but there has so far been no good evidence that I have seen yet (still getting caught up to speed). one reason for suspicion was that at one of these houses "a lot of people came and went". well yes that is interesting but it is not evidence in and of itself. there is another house where someone worked as a counselor but honestly I don't think this ties in so much bc I don't think steven could afford it and it wouldn't explain the far away driving in the days before.

I would be more (very slightly) inclined to be suspicious of a house where not a lot of people come and go, in fact, a house where really only one person comes and goes. there is more room for them to cover their tracks if there was no one around and this case was never solved.

 

[webrocket]

Here is the challenge Sassy-we had a one shot poster who set some of us on that path. The poster's post was moderated. Once a post is moderated, we can't discuss it or the poster again. House rules, mainly because if your post was moderated, I am certain you wouldnt want the rest of us discussing it.

Now, if you take a look at the video of SK walking, and the reflection in the window of the parked vehicle, it appears that SK crosses the street pretty close to a house. Some even believe that he crosses paths with a car that appears to be parked in front of the house....I never saw that part when I viewed it, but my brain doesnt always work that way anyway, lol. If you go back to the video, watch for yourself and see what you see. If you believe that SK parked his car in order to meet someone in that neighborhood, it seems to be relevant to wonder if he did stop in front of a particular house and why.

IMO.

some people were rather Appalled by that poster, who shall remain unnamed and statements unrepeated.

 

[laytonian]

Google showed me something new last night (ie, it hadn't shown up before when I searched for Steven's email address) -- CourseHero.com, regarding a gaming project.

Fall 2009.

Is this "our" Steven?
He was supposedly not a gamer?

Or...is this a one of those fake sites that pops up?

 

[SassyBenton]

can I discuss if I don't say names, addresses? I have seen a couple houses mentioned. but there has so far been no good evidence that I have seen yet (still getting caught up to speed). one reason for suspicion was that at one of these houses "a lot of people came and went". well yes that is interesting but it is not evidence in and of itself. there is another house where someone worked as a counselor but honestly I don't think this ties in so much bc I don't think steven could afford it and it wouldn't explain the far away driving in the days before.

I would be more (very slightly) inclined to be suspicious of a house where not a lot of people come and go, in fact, a house where really only one person comes and goes. there is more room for them to cover their tracks if there was no one around and this case was never solved.

Being a community for 55+, I would find a house with a lot of in-and-out traffic unusual. These types of neighborhoods are usually very quiet, so unless someone was running a business out of their home or had daily caretakers, I wouldn’t expect to see a home with a lot of in-and-out traffic in that area.

 

[laytonian]

Being a community for 55+, I would find a house with a lot of in-and-out traffic unusual. These types of neighborhoods are usually very quiet, so unless someone was running a business out of their home or had daily caretakers, I wouldn’t expect to see a home with a lot of in-and-out traffic in that area.

One of the homes has a resident who is very ill, and the people in the other home were moving. They own another home only about a mile away. One of those private residences was even intruded upon, by an amateur sleuth who bragged about jumping over the wall and "investigating" the back yard.

Nothing has ever come up that's suspicious of either family, or others that were "investigated" here -- nor has anyone linked them to criminal activity.

 

[carbuff]

Being a community for 55+, I would find a house with a lot of in-and-out traffic unusual. These types of neighborhoods are usually very quiet, so unless someone was running a business out of their home or had daily caretakers, I wouldn’t expect to see a home with a lot of in-and-out traffic in that area.

In addition to the houses Laytonian mentioned, there's a mortgage services company of some sort on Savannah Springs right near where SK's car was parked. You can find that one on Googlemaps.

 

[laytonian]

In addition to the houses Laytonian mentioned, there's a mortgage services company of some sort on Savannah Springs right near where SK's car was parked. You can find that one on Googlemaps.

I don't see it any longer.

IIRC, it was the same house as the realtor was showing (and it was owned by her mother, who like half of Vegas' citizens during the housing bubble, dabbled in real estate). Am I remembering wrongly?

Over on the other end of the 200+ homes Overlook Village subdivision, there's magicians -- and a printing company owned by a resident, but not located there.

 

[lieber32]

And not just Websleuths, but potentially the individuals making the statements.

It's libel (or slander, depending on the medium) to say somebody committed a crime they didn't. If the person has no criminal record, it's generally a fairly open and shut case. It gets a little harder to prove one's reputation has been damaged if one has a record, but if the asserted crime is in a different field, or significantly worse, that's often fairly open and shut as well.

That's why newspapers always talk about alleged crimes and accused suspects. I'm not saying don't do it, but be aware.

You are a hundred percent correct. My dad is a retired lawyer and I work in LE (which is in the verification process) plus had a debate scholarship in college where issues like this were discussed. Your spot on. Also Laytonian made similiar comments a few threads back that were also spot on. Not only can us that work in LE not name a suspect if they havn't been charged with the crime but either is the public suppose to be able to do without possible legal ramifications. The media has had suits filed in the past for naming someone as a suspect when suspect wasnt's charged with said crime and said media found guilty of libel. That is why it is againt TOS to name a suspect that has not been charged with said crime.

 

[Fairy1]

Google showed me something new last night (ie, it hadn't shown up before when I searched for Steven's email address) -- CourseHero.com, regarding a gaming project.

Fall 2009.

Is this "our" Steven?
He was supposedly not a gamer?

Or...is this a one of those fake sites that pops up?

This is interesting. It looks to me like this fellow is just looking to improve his presentation on a project - which sounds like a video game? I don't find the idea that it may refer to something Steven wasn't really into nearly as odd as the date - Fall 2009.

Could be another Steve Koecher.

 

[hollyblue]

Would someone help me remember? Was there a Sacramento angle in the beginning based on a conversation SK had with the family who lived near Ruby Valley? I've tried to find it in the beginning threads, but I haven't had much luck.
The reason I ask is that we are moving to Sacramento in August, and I wanted to keep these details regarding the case in the back of my mind while I'm living there. Not that I believe there was anything to gain by that angle, but I just want to keep the details fresh in my mind.

Found this article from Jan '10. too.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/11852528/where-is-steven-koecher

Interestingly, it states that he bought gas in Wendover, NV on the 9th per bank records after he left RV...so it seems improbable to me he didn't arrive until the 10th as some have speculated because there is apparently a time stamp to tell them it was after his trip there and not before.
imo.

 

[lieber32]

I think those unsatisfying things are that way, because they don't hold the answers.

As a newbie that hasn't admitably read every thread on this case their are still two things that to me havn't been adequately explained. The first and most important to me is his extensive travels the week before he disappeared. No one had given me an explaination to explain the several hundred miles this person traveled before ultimately disappearing (from Laytonias excellent timeline) and unaccounted hours his final week to my satifaction, too many holes. Also I am still trying to locate more info on the search of the airport area and read part of a thread that this info is suppose to be on got half way through with only a few posts on the search, please help me:banghead: Did get answers to the laptop, thank you as well as running his SSN and credit info.

 

[laytonian]

This is interesting. It looks to me like this fellow is just looking to improve his presentation on a project - which sounds like a video game? I don't find the idea that it may refer to something Steven wasn't really into nearly as odd as the date - Fall 2009.

Could be another Steve Koecher.

It came up when I Googled "our" Steven's email address - plus, the location is Utah.. :shrug:

 

[Fairy1]

As a newbie that hasn't admitably read every thread on this case their are still two things that to me havn't been adequately explained. The first and most important to me is his extensive travels the week before he disappeared. No one had given me an explaination to explain the several hundred miles this person traveled before ultimately disappearing (from Laytonias excellent timeline) and unaccounted hours his final week to my satifaction, too many holes. Also I am still trying to locate more info on the search of the airport area and read part of a thread that this info is suppose to be on got half way through with only a few posts on the search, please help me:banghead: Did get answers to the laptop, thank you as well as running his SSN and credit info.

No one knows what all his travels were about prior to going missing. I'm pretty sure if that was known, he would have been found by now.

What would you like to know about the search? I was there and will try to answer your questions.

 

[Fairy1]

It came up when I Googled "our" Steven's email address - plus, the location is Utah.. :shrug:

Does it look like Utah University to you?

 

[laytonian]

Does it look like Utah University to you?

I was hoping someone here would look into it.
I do not know the gaming world.

 

[laytonian]

Found this article from Jan '10. too.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/11852528/where-is-steven-koecher

Interestingly, it states that he bought gas in Wendover, NV on the 9th per bank records after he left RV...so it seems improbable to me he didn't arrive until the 10th as some have speculated because there is apparently a time stamp to tell them it was after his trip there and not before.
imo.

Yes, the article does say that -- but it conflicts with the actual bank records, which we have been privy to AND which are shown (as KC provided them to us) under "receipts" at the bottom of the timeline page:

Pilot Travel Wendover, Nevada ? 12/10/2009 ? 33.13

Remember, also, that at that time (Jan 20th), it was not known that Steven had attended Temple services at 6:30pm on Dec 9th -- as confirmed by three separate sources.

That makes it impossible to return from Ruby Valley (especially going through Wendover) in the allotted time.

I consider this one "settled law", especially after an entire year of having to justify it -- especially since Mrs Koecher confirmed on the "Disappeared" episode that the trip took place on Dec 10th.

Have you had a chance to watch the episode yet?

The Powell timeline can differ, and leave out information if it wishes - but this is the Steven Koecher case.