NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 3

[liz b.]

Laytonian,
You wrote that you belive that " employment issues are one key to Steven's disappearance".
On a hunch I googled "door to door magazine subscription sales". It is a nightmare for the people who get caught up in this scam. Young,naive people are who they look to hire.The companies are often staffed by ex criminals, supervisors are known to be violent and abusive, and pay is tightly controlled. Newly hired employees are driven in vans to strange towns and/ or states, and sent out into neighborhoods to sell subscriptions. They are often unable to call home,or get home. They end up working 12 hour days for about $20.00.
They have people who do interviews out of hotel rooms. If Steven went for this, he could have been interviewed and hired, and actually on his way to get picked up by his new employer's driver when we last see him.They may have told him that they would take care of parking his car somewhere else. Did he have his car keys on him ?
If Steven went to work for a company like the ones I read about, there is no telling where he would be now.

 

[paris_paris]

I am going to ask for your patience and forebearance because I have been hammered today with issues inside and outside these threads....not that all of you havent-remind me again of who owns the carpet cleaning service Steven worked with? Travis someone??

Hansen

 

[laytonian]

It was posted on the group wall Jan. 13th at 10:22 p.m. by Dale M.

Thank you. I thought "wall" was where notices were posted, so checked everywhere else

Now that I have BOTH Las Vegas sightings, I see some very interesting things there. Had anyone else ever looked at them both?

Take a look, and tell me what you think.
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/tips-archive-1

 

[paris_paris]

laytonian, I see both sightings were the same day, but that's it.

I only looked to see if the 105 bus went anywhere near IHOP. It doesn't.

 

[webrocket]

My take is Steven met someone deliberately at that neighborhood. It is clear to me, although I can see the other side of it. I am wondering if there would be value is setting up threads that support each viewpoint and where we can sleuth and speculate in concert with one another, rather than continuing to resist each POV?? Just a thought. For example, those of us who believe he deliberately left his car there because he had a purpose in the neighborhood might have more interest in sleuthing out deeds, ownership, businesses and the white SUV.

This may annoy those of you who think the choice of neighborhood was random.

Thoughts?

My take has been that SAC was merely a location to drop off his car and get into someone else's on another block. I don't think the person he was meeting lives in SAC. For that matter, while Steven made a left onto Evening Lights, the other car might not have been waiting right there.

These acts, while adding a few steps and a few minutes, creates a gap in time and space between the two events just in case someone was looking out the window and saw him parking his car and getting into another.

While a home security system inadvertenly captured Steven walking away from his car, if the pick up vehicle was a few blocks away, even if a person walking a dog saw a guy hop into another vehicle, they might not put two and two together since it would seem like an isolated event not even worth remembering.

 

[laytonian]

Laytonian,
You wrote that you belive that " employment issues are one key to Steven's disappearance".
On a hunch I googled "door to door magazine subscription sales". It is a nightmare for the people who get caught up in this scam. Young,naive people are who they look to hire.The companies are often staffed by ex criminals, supervisors are known to be violent and abusive, and pay is tightly controlled. Newly hired employees are driven in vans to strange towns and/ or states, and sent out into neighborhoods to sell subscriptions. They are often unable to call home,or get home. They end up working 12 hour days for about $20.00.
They have people who do interviews out of hotel rooms. If Steven went for this, he could have been interviewed and hired, and actually on his way to get picked up by his new employer's driver when we last see him.They may have told him that they would take care of parking his car somewhere else. Did he have his car keys on him ?
If Steven went to work for a company like the ones I read about, there is no telling where he would be now.

Absolutely.
In fact, I mentioned that very possibility back on 01-12-2010, 07:17 PM.

He could have walked to a home to get the job, been given the opportunity to "leave right now" and told his car would be safe where it was or "we'll tell the parking people that it's OK".

There's a similar type of job: inventory. These are the people you see in supermarkets, scanning all the products. Some companies take vanloads of people around to various cities, where they do inventory day in and day out.

 

[believe09]

Travis Hansen, the owner of a Carpet Cleaning company and a Real Estate agent in the Las Vegas area according to this linked in profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/travis-hansen/7/563/bb6

 

[webrocket]

Travis Hansen, the owner of a Carpet Cleaning company and a Real Estate agent in the Las Vegas area according to this linked in profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/travis-hansen/7/563/bb6

No offense believe09, but do we really want to pick names out of FB, linkedin, myspace, the phone book or real estate directories without ANY idea who they are and place them on this missing persons discussion group?

Someone might misconstrue this as making them a suspect and it is far from clear that ANY crime was committed.

 

[NicoleinVegas]

They said that vehicle also seen in the video was a real estate agent.

 

[laytonian]

My take has been that SAC was merely a location to drop off his car and get into someone else's on another block. I don't think the person he was meeting lives in SAC. For that matter, while Steven made a left onto Evening Lights, the other car might not have been waiting right there.

These acts, while adding a few steps and a few minutes, creates a gap in time and space between the two events just in case someone was looking out the window and saw him parking his car and getting into another.

While a home security system inadvertenly captured Steven walking away from his car, if the pick up vehicle was a few blocks away, even if a person walking a dog saw a guy hop into another vehicle, they might not put two and two together since it would seem like an isolated event not even worth remembering.

.....and we don't know how much of the video before and after when he's last seen, has been looked at. Certainly, it has been.

Did a car drive back down Evening Lights, a few minutes later?
Did he stop on the corner, just a few feet from where we last see him, and wait?

If he left that area (Overlook Village) by car, there's only one way he left: Laurel Heights. It's too bad the security camera didn't reach that far east, or that there wasn't another.


SAC - ?

 

[jokie7348]

They said that vehicle also seen in the video was a real estate agent.

Yes, they did. That's interesting that Steven's boss is a real estate agent. Wonder if Hansen was the one picking up Steven, waiting there at that driveway watching him walk down the street and then later picking him up. Just a thought and, as always, JMOO.

 

[webrocket]

In some areas you run into real estate agents everywhere. Also there is no indication that Steven was ever involved in real estate.

 

[believe09]

In some areas you run into real estate agents everywhere. Also there is no indication that Steven was ever involved in real estate.

Would he have to be involved in real estate to be picked up by his boss??

 

[liz b.]

I see the person at the bus stop was reportedly carrying a portfolio. I never understood how the guy in the IHOP could have been Steven ; he had tatoos on his neck and legs. Was he wearing shorts ? That person sounded nothing like Steven at all.
I do remember reading that the guy at IHOP carried a small black case with him all the time.
This could both be the same guy, but he actually sounds fairly disturbed. Since Steven spoke to people (on the phone) he knew around the times of these sightings, it probably wasn't him ?

 

[Helix11]

Travis Hansen, the owner of a Carpet Cleaning company and a Real Estate agent in the Las Vegas area according to this linked in profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/travis-hansen/7/563/bb6

If you go to his profile here, you can click on a link to his company's website and there are phone numbers for Vegas and Henderson so we know he operated out of that area as well. I don't know where we came up with the name Travis Hansen, so that is assuming that is the name of Steven's boss and that this is that same Travis Hansen.

 

[webrocket]

Would he have to be involved in real estate to be picked up by his boss??

All we knew is that Steven was supposedly in the window washing business so if that was the boss, he might have had a few businesses going.

 

[NicoleinVegas]

Found a Travis on the assessor site...all that information is right there for anyone to find here in Clark County. Address and all for your house. It shows a nice big house and it is in Summerlin.

 

[webrocket]

I see the person at the bus stop was reportedly carrying a portfolio. I never understood how the guy in the IHOP could have been Steven ; he had tatoos on his neck and legs. Was he wearing shorts ? That person sounded nothing like Steven at all.
I do remember reading that the guy at IHOP carried a small black case with him all the time.
This could both be the same guy, but he actually sounds fairly disturbed. Since Steven spoke to people (on the phone) he knew around the times of these sightings, it probably wasn't him ?

I would not rule out the guy at the IHOP being Steven. Tattoos can be added but not easily removed so we don't know what he was up to in the period after December 12th or 13th, give or take.

 

[NicoleinVegas]

Oh and I read of a Trevor Morse that has been missing, and someone in here pointed out that may even be him at the IHOP, but mentioned Steven too.

 

[laytonian]

T, the owner of a Carpet Cleaning company and a Real Estate agent in the Las Vegas area according to this linked in profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/travis-hansen/7/563/bb6

I googled all over that a couple of days ago. The closest thing I could come up with, was that there was a franchise of the same company, in St George. BUT, that franchise is owned by someone else. Neither franchise's web page mentions window washing (or other things like hanging Christmas lights.)

That's why I've asked N for the actual name of the company that Steven worked for. I've been unable to find a person by that name in St George.

I didn't mention it, because having a common name myself, I've been linked to some strange stuff.