NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 3

[laytonian]

Ella's Mom volunteered to go through the threads and pick up questions and answers that have been asked, and are a matter of record.

It's a long page, so I'll give you the link:
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/qa-01

(The summary is thread 1, plus thread 2 through page 23)
At the bottom, she put a "what we don't know" list.


It'sa good review, and made me think a bit.

 

[liz b.]

I would very much like to stay involved. I am going to focus my research on possible employment opportunities which I believe that Steven might have explored. After I considered a lot of different possibilities I decided that his focus before he vanished was looking for work. His naivite, and his isolation would have made him very vulnerable. I wonder if Steven had help in getting that first newpaper job ? I also wonder how much he really knew about finding work ? Laytonian mentioned that he seemed to be on a downward spiral with regard to work, and that looks to be so true. Window washing is hard physical work.It is also considered to be semi-skilled work, meaning that it's not as easy as one would think.There's a method to it. So, the fact that Steven was attempting to do this for a living is indicative that he may not have been real savvy about the world of work . Of course this economy does him no favors either......

 

[liz b.]

Oh, Steven is bilingual in Portugese ? Well, that's interesting. That, and his passport being missing ? Now I see why the family thought he might be in Brazil....

 

[webrocket]

I'm going to keep checking this thread but absent any new information, I'm not sure I can add anything more to the discussion.

 

[Fairy1]

I would very much like to stay involved. I am going to focus my research on possible employment opportunities which I believe that Steven might have explored. After I considered a lot of different possibilities I decided that his focus before he vanished was looking for work. His naivite, and his isolation would have made him very vulnerable. I wonder if Steven had help in getting that first newpaper job ? I also wonder how much he really knew about finding work ? Laytonian mentioned that he seemed to be on a downward spiral with regard to work, and that looks to be so true. Window washing is hard physical work.It is also considered to be semi-skilled work, meaning that it's not as easy as one would think.There's a method to it. So, the fact that Steven was attempting to do this for a living is indicative that he may not have been real savvy about the world of work . Of course this economy does him no favors either......

I agree - that's why I got so excited about the Deseret Industries angle. They have an employment assistance program and surely Steven would have known that. They could be assisting him in many ways until he's able to get on his feet and would have no way of knowing he's "missing" unless the family or church have contacted them.

His cousin indicted he is a man of simple needs. I doubt he has any interest in getting rich but rather just wants to make a modest living where he can support himself without the aid of family.

 

[capoly]

I totally get where you're coming from and you definitely went above and beyond with Jody's case. I just know my limitations. I have made myself available to Steven's family, but have not been called upon since my trip to IHOP. All I can say is that we're dealing with a totally different situation here. IMO.

BBM

With all due respect, Fairy1, every missing persons case is a totally different situation.

To clarify my post.....it was not about the above and beyonds or limitations re searching. The point of my post was that based on in-depth family information I held a very strong belief that Jody was alive. A similar belief appears to be held by some posters in regards to Steven.

The structure of LTWH.....extend awareness of the missing person, support the family.... was a valuable source of support for my getting past my own beliefs so I could work all areas in the search for Jody.

In Jody's case his behavior was not an unknown entity.....but when the time went beyond his known behavior....search teams went out.

Whether Steven has left of his own volition, was abducted or was in an accident, has in no way been established by LE or by family. As it stands now an active missing persons report is in place and a search is in progress. Unless someone is 100% sure, and can state with validation, that Steven is safe......I'm failing to understand the flow of these posts.

 

[Fairy1]

BBM

With all due respect, Fairy1, every missing persons case is a totally different situation.

To clarify my post.....it was not about the above and beyonds or limitations re searching. The point of my post was that based on in-depth family information I held a very strong belief that Jody was alive. A similar belief appears to be held by some posters in regards to Steven.

The structure of LTWH.....extend awareness of the missing person, support the family.... was a valuable source of support for my getting past my own beliefs so I could work all areas in the search for Jody.

In Jody's case his behavior was not an unknown entity.....but when the time went beyond his known behavior....search teams went out.

Whether Steven has left of his own volition, was abducted or was in an accident, has in no way been established by LE or by family. As it stands now an active missing persons report is in place and a search is in progress. Unless someone is 100% sure, and can state with validation, that Steven is safe......I'm failing to understand the flow of these posts.

In THIS case, we do not know the official belief of the family or LE with regard to whether they believe he is alive or not. There was a ground search two weeks after he went missing, pointing to the distinct possibility he is deceased. Since then, there have been several possible sightings of Steven, which point to the possibility that he is alive. That is most likely why you fail to understand the flow of the posts - because we've speculated on numerous possible scenarios and have been lead in yet other directions via information from various sources. We're doing all we can with the information we have.

Suffice it to say, while we have been given a good deal of information from a family member I, personally, would not categorize it as "in-depth." We have shared our insights, provided information on numerous missing persons resources, offered our assistance in many ways and have gone into the community to further explore the tips of which we are aware. If you can offer suggestions on what else can be done, I certainly would appreciate it.

If you haven't already seen it, you may find laytonian's most excellent timeline very valuable in learning the history of this case thus far. Particularly with regard to the Q & A's.

 

[laytonian]

BBM

With all due respect, Fairy1, every missing persons case is a totally different situation.

To clarify my post.....it was not about the above and beyonds or limitations re searching. The point of my post was that based on in-depth family information I held a very strong belief that Jody was alive. A similar belief appears to be held by some posters in regards to Steven.

The structure of LTWH.....extend awareness of the missing person, support the family.... was a valuable source of support for my getting past my own beliefs so I could work all areas in the search for Jody.

In Jody's case his behavior was not an unknown entity.....but when the time went beyond his known behavior....search teams went out.

Whether Steven has left of his own volition, was abducted or was in an accident, has in no way been established by LE or by family. As it stands now an active missing persons report is in place and a search is in progress. Unless someone is 100% sure, and can state with validation, that Steven is safe......I'm failing to understand the flow of these posts.

I think there's a misconception that no one here wants to assist the family. Not everyone has the necessary free time, or is physically capable of assisting in a land search.

We want to help!

Some of us have reached out, and volunteered to assist with some tasks (like helping a stressed-out family member go through massive amounts of information that appears to be "gibberish"). I'm not going to share a private email...but let's just say that it might not be possible for those who meet the family online, to interact personally with them....whether it's across a table amidst piles of paper, or helping them search.

This evening, I will ask KC Naegle to check with other family members, to see if we are welcome to participate in the next search AND what else we can do to help them.

 

[harleysnana]

I have a suggestion for those who don’t want to do an actual search…
On the Elizabeth Olton thread some of the people where pulling up the
map… finding out who owned the houses close to her and finding out
info on the people (ages, charges, etc.)

IMO looking at the map it seems to me he was going to a house on that street. .
If he was going to go farther down the street and didn’t want to
park in front of the actual house then I think he would have parked in
the other cul-de-sac on on the other street.
I have no clue how to pull up the info on the owners but would be more
than happy to help if given the info.

I also wanted to add that live 5 min. from Bountiful and have not heard
anything about this case until I found the link yesterday on another case!
I haven’t watched the news much but I would think I would have
seen or heard something about it!
I also asked my husband who is a letter carrier in Bountiful
if he has heard about it and he has not.

 

[laytonian]

I have a suggestion for those who don’t want to do an actual search…
On the Elizabeth Olton thread some of the people where pulling up the
map… finding out who owned the houses close to her and finding out
info on the people (ages, charges, etc.)

IMO looking at the map it seems to me he was going to a house on that street. .
If he was going to go farther down the street and didn’t want to
park in front of the actual house then I think he would have parked in
the other cul-de-sac on on the other street.
I have no clue how to pull up the info on the owners but would be more
than happy to help if given the info.

I also wanted to add that live 5 min. from Bountiful and have not heard
anything about this case until I found the link yesterday on another case!
I haven’t watched the news much but I would think I would have
seen or heard something about it!
I also asked my husband who is a letter carrier in Bountiful
if he has heard about it and he has not.

Hi, and welcome!

I'm 15 minutes from Bountiful, and know that most of the local news I've read on this, has been in the Salt Lake Tribune (where Steven used to work). They were the first to post the story.

Steven's Dad (Executive Editor of the Davis County Clipper) has written some recap articles that have appeared in his paper. The sister paper to the Clipper (actually a news-magazine) in St George, hasn't carried anything .... at least that I can find in their online archives.
There was only one story in the Deseret News (link), more of an op-ed piece by Lee Benson.
There's been a few stories in the Vegas papers and TV stations.

We've put together an extensive timeline, q&a pages, a "tips" page (there's only two that we know of)....if you'd like to read those, they appear in my sigline.

 

[webrocket]

There was only one story in the Deseret News (link), more of an op-ed piece by Lee Benson.
There's been a few stories in the Vegas papers and TV stations.

.

I tried the link and it did not work for me.

 

[capoly]

In THIS case, we do not know the official belief of the family or LE with regard to whether they believe he is alive or not. There was a ground search two weeks after he went missing, pointing to the distinct possibility he is deceased. Since then, there have been several possible sightings of Steven, which point to the possibility that he is alive. That is most likely why you fail to understand the flow of the posts - because we've speculated on numerous possible scenarios and have been lead in yet other directions via information from various sources. We're doing all we can with the information we have.

Suffice it to say, while we have been given a good deal of information from a family member I, personally, would not categorize it as "in-depth." We have shared our insights, provided information on numerous missing persons resources, offered our assistance in many ways and have gone into the community to further explore the tips of which we are aware. If you can offer suggestions on what else can be done, I certainly would appreciate it.

If you haven't already seen it, you may find laytonian's most excellent timeline very valuable in learning the history of this case thus far. Particularly with regard to the Q & A's.

I do know the history/present circumstances of Steven's case and that is why I fail to understand the flow of this thread.

I think there's a misconception that no one here wants to assist the family. Not everyone has the necessary free time, or is physically capable of assisting in a land search.

We want to help!

Some of us have reached out, and volunteered to assist with some tasks (like helping a stressed-out family member go through massive amounts of information that appears to be "gibberish"). I'm not going to share a private email...but let's just say that it might not be possible for those who meet the family online, to interact personally with them....whether it's across a table amidst piles of paper, or helping them search.

This evening, I will ask KC Naegle to check with other family members, to see if we are welcome to participate in the next search AND what else we can do to help them.

You have a better understanding of my post. And harleysnana gives a great example of an additional way for others not in the area to search and support.

Please remember my post was about searches and the benefit of LTWH as a structure/support for searches......nothing personal.

 

[Fairy1]

I have a suggestion for those who don’t want to do an actual search…
On the Elizabeth Olton thread some of the people where pulling up the
map… finding out who owned the houses close to her and finding out
info on the people (ages, charges, etc.)

IMO looking at the map it seems to me he was going to a house on that street. .
If he was going to go farther down the street and didn’t want to
park in front of the actual house then I think he would have parked in
the other cul-de-sac on on the other street.
I have no clue how to pull up the info on the owners but would be more
than happy to help if given the info.

I also wanted to add that live 5 min. from Bountiful and have not heard
anything about this case until I found the link yesterday on another case!
I haven’t watched the news much but I would think I would have
seen or heard something about it!
I also asked my husband who is a letter carrier in Bountiful
if he has heard about it and he has not.

Hi harleysnana! So glad to have you here.

Believe me, the address where Steven's car was located and the surrounding area has been sleuthed and resleuthed! As have many, many other things. There's quite a lot to this case to date and we are currently awaiting word from the family as to what the next move should be, as they have been here in Vegas this weekend.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Hi all! I hadn't heard of this case until I stumbled across it the other day here. I just wanted to say that having read all the way back through now, you guys have done a fantastic and professional job here. I am totally impressed and while I know y'all are here for the family, hopefully they realize that they were lucky to get such a top notch group of sleuth's!

Saying a prayer for the a break in this case..

 

[believe09]

Hi harleysnana! So glad to have you here.

Believe me, the address where Steven's car was located and the surrounding area has been sleuthed and resleuthed! As have many, many other things. There's quite a lot to this case to date and we are currently awaiting word from the family as to what the next move should be, as they have been here in Vegas this weekend.

I am not picking on you at all Fairy, so do not take this personally please-but I have been here since the thread went up and do not find this to be true at least to what I think true sleuthing might reveal.

I think it is amazing harley came in with something I have been slugging away at for the last few days-what homes were empty, who owns what homes, what was foreclosed, for sale and what has been closed on since Steven disappeared?...for example. who were the real estate agents representing the properties, do the home businesses have appointments and business they do from home, or do they do their business elsewhere?? Do any of the real estate agents, home owners, businesses have any relationship to any aspect of Steven's life including employment??

To your point, laytonian-the one you made about a private email-working with the family is also about helping them work through their natural aversion to airing aspects of Steven's life on a webpage...it may seem like an awful disrespectful thing to do-but in the end the TRUTH never ever hurts. It only ever helps in MP cases. What if he WAS looking for love in that neighborhood? What if he was looking for companionship? What if he was absolutely desperate for money to restore face with his family? What if the appointment or encounter he was making in that neighborhood signaled more failure than success and he could not take another disappointment...

By being respectful to one another and to Steven's family we can still maintain a bridge to help them out if they wish it. If they do not, my focus is Steven. Still. If he wants to stay hidden, he is entitled to walk away from his life with his head held in the air. If he is nervous about coming back because of the stir, it is never too late.

All of you have worked hard and cared-Steven is a lucky man that he can inspire such compassion in strangers!!!

 

[Fairy1]

I am not picking on you at all Fairy, so do not take this personally please-but I have been here since the thread went up and do not find this to be true at least to what I think true sleuthing might reveal.

I think it is amazing harley came in with something I have been slugging away at for the last few days-what homes were empty, who owns what homes, what was foreclosed, for sale and what has been closed on since Steven disappeared?...for example. who were the real estate agents representing the properties, do the home businesses have appointments and business they do from home, or do they do their business elsewhere?? Do any of the real estate agents, home owners, businesses have any relationship to any aspect of Steven's life including employment??

To your point, laytonian-the one you made about a private email-working with the family is also about helping them work through their natural aversion to airing aspects of Steven's life on a webpage...it may seem like an awful disrespectful thing to do-but in the end the TRUTH never ever hurts. It only ever helps in MP cases. What if he WAS looking for love in that neighborhood? What if he was looking for companionship? What if he was absolutely desperate for money to restore face with his family? What if the appointment or encounter he was making in that neighborhood signaled more failure than success and he could not take another disappointment...

By being respectful to one another and to Steven's family we can still maintain a bridge to help them out if they wish it. If they do not, my focus is Steven. Still. If he wants to stay hidden, he is entitled to walk away from his life with his head held in the air. If he is nervous about coming back because of the stir, it is never too late.

All of you have worked hard and cared-Steven is a lucky man that he can inspire such compassion in strangers!!!

Hmmmm. With all due respect, I do recall seeing the names of all the homeowners on the street where Steven's car was located. I'm really not sure how sleuthing foreclosed homes would help us find Steven, but please feel free to enlighten me as to your train of thought there. I recall mentioning that Las Vegas has the highest foreclosure rate in the country. That car could have been parked nearly anywhere in the city and it would be the same story. What am I missing?

You have been here since the beginning so you are well aware of the possibilities that have been raised by the posters here - the good, bad and the ugly. Naegle has also been here and is also well aware of the myriad of scenarios that could have lead us all here. All I can say is, sometimes the truth DOES hurt.

I have been out looking for Steven in the areas of possible sightings - with my own children. I have altered my daily routine to look for him and have sought out people who may have seen him. I have spoken personally to Naegle and have offered my assistance openly. My focus is also on finding Steven and I cannot possibly overstate my hope in being able to do that. HOWEVER, it has certainly crossed my mind that, for whatever reason, he may not want to be found right now and who am I to interfere with that? He's a grown man who may very well be in a place where he needs to find himself.

Yes, I'm frustrated. This man is missing in MY city and I'm willing to help however I can. I have not been asked to do so. My little trip to the IHOP was not solicited, nor was my trip to Deseret Industries yesterday. I'm doing what I can based on what I know.

What else do you want me to do?

 

[laytonian]

You have a better understanding of my post. And harleysnana gives a great example of an additional way for others not in the area to search and support.

Please remember my post was about searches and the benefit of LTWH as a structure/support for searches......nothing personal.

Fairy1 understands the dynamics we are working within, very well.

Several here have been looking into property records. Some have been posted, some not. Some possible connections are still being looked at by people with those skills. We have systems/records analyists, businesspeople, an accountant IIRC, creative thinkers (fasteddy4 and lostatsea) who help us turn our brains around....but we have few facts.

We also know that we were here, before the family rep came online...and while our speculation is at times hard to take, it's nothing that LE isn't rolling over, either....and I'm sure many in the family have, too.

LTWH?
BBM?

I'm sorry, I'm a newbie here and haven't learned the lingo. I've tried.

 

[believe09]

Sounds like you guys have it all under control then. I will keep Steven and his family in my prayers-may he be happy and healthy.

 

[Fairy1]

I tried the link and it did not work for me.

Wow - I was able to read the link right after laytonian posted it - now it's gone. WTH?

 

[capoly]

Fairy1 understands the dynamics we are working within, very well.

Several here have been looking into property records. Some have been posted, some not. Some possible connections are still being looked at by people with those skills. We have systems/records analyists, businesspeople, an accountant IIRC, creative thinkers (fasteddy4 and lostatsea) who help us turn our brains around....but we have few facts.

We also know that we were here, before the family rep came online...and while our speculation is at times hard to take, it's nothing that LE isn't rolling over, either....and I'm sure many in the family have, too.

LTWH?
BBM?

I'm sorry, I'm a newbie here and haven't learned the lingo. I've tried.

Re BBM I wrote that You had a better understanding of MY post. Apparently I was wrong.


LTWH....Lighting the Way Home. The organization affiliated with WS that assists in missing persons cases.

Take care.