NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 4

[capoly]

I have been following this thread and I think it could be possible he was having an affair,
Possibly not paying rent so he could spend money on someone else. Parking his car so it would not be visible to others. Often, people do not want to draw attention to themselves,
if they are having an affair. This could also explain why no one saw him. Admitting it would bring their own life crashing down. Sill hard to believe that on a Sunday afternoon, when more people would be off work,that he was not seen.

BBM Agree......though while I cannot find this particular community's HOA policies on-line, have been reading up on some HOA policies in similar communities. There are some strange gestapo-like rules re what are acceptable conditions for front yards.....can get right down to having the RIGHT color green grass.

 

[laytonian]

that is very true. and at the same time, he could have been doing just about any other communications from a public computer.

why go through all that trouble unless the computer user is trying to conceal what he is doing?

it is my understanding that he owned his own laptop and that the house had wireless internet access so he did not have to pay for his own service provider.

According to the landlady (who posted here about it), there was no internet access in the home.

However, there were a couple of open networks that could be accessed if you walked outside.

 

[ella's mom]

Waaaay back in the beginning. I don't recall if it was Naegle, Tom or who was recalling the story or if it was on here or the FB a/c, but I thought it was pretty funny at the time. Apparently, the guy he took on during that episode was quite a bit larger than him.

Ckeck the first q&A page under laytonian's timeline. I have to run or I would do it. But I am pretty sure I identified thread and post # for that detail.

 

[laytonian]

Laytonian,

Can you ask if the AT&T number that was called on the 13th, was called before? I realize it was for AT&T VM, but if he normally just dialed his own number like I do, that information would lead toward something more sinister taking place...in my mind.

Is this something that needs to be added to the timeline (ie, a voicemail call on Dec 13th, in addition to the one on the 14th?) Throw me a cite, and I'll be happy to add it.

I can re-ask it, but I'm confused about what I'd be asking.

 

[laytonian]

With regards to the segment of followers of this thread who believe Steven was looking for a job. Sure it is possible but what I find odd about the employment theory is that he left NO discernable paper or e-trail behind him if he was just going for an interview. No visit to mapquest, no unidentified calls on his cell phone, no indication that he emailed out a resume, etc.

It looks like (and maybe one day we will know for sure) that Steven deleted recent history from his computer. Whether he wiped the hard drive clean is another story, we don't have that information. Some people who share a computer regularly delete history of usage. I am for the most part the only person who uses my laptop and I will clean out the history every few months. Steven seemed like a bit of a loner who would not be sharing his laptop with others. So to me, it seems beyond coincidence that Steven just happened to delete his usage history before going out to Vegas.

I don't think the family has said that the usage had been deleted. I think what they said was there was nothing that they found that related to his disappearance. Putting 2 and 2 together, that would mean there was nothing on there that would explain why he was going to Vegas that weekend. In this day and age, the internet is where many people find jobs, especially if the job is in another city.

You're correct. The hard drive was not "wiped", and we actually don't know what's on the computer. All we know is that the family's experts looked at it, and found nothing they thought was suspicious. We don't know if it was forensically scanned to recover deleted files.

Another thing that's odd? That in this day and age, the window-washing business used paper flyers, handed out door-to-door, to drum up business. We don't know who made that flyer. Maybe Steven did those himself on his computer, and that's not being released.

But you'd think there'd have been internet advertising, like on craigslist, for window washing, blind cleaning AND for the "Christmas lights" that were mentioned early on -- because there's nothing on the flyer for that.

 

[laytonian]

I definitely don't think we are being told "everything" about Steven, personally. JMO

I want to know more about the week prior. His work schedule, the dates on the receipts, etc. He WAS up to something then. I'd like the timeline fine tuned.

The quote of (paraphrasing). That's just Steven. What is just Steven?

I would like the question I asked earlier be posed to Naegle regarding the sleep walking. Did he ever drive before while having an episode of sleep walking? If he slept in his car Sat. night--possibility.
It was said he became violent during one of these with a former roommate. Who's to say, if he did stay somewhere with someone, that this might have happened again; and things got out of hand. Maybe the person(s) was not aware that he had done this before.

Receipts that are lacking the time? According to Naegle, we've been given the receipt dates/times for all receipts that were found. The only purchases that I do not have on the timeline, are those which show only on the bank records - and that's because we don't have an actual purchase date/time. Those are shown on the "receipts" page of the timeline set.

More than anyone else, I'd like the timeline to be fine-tuned. But I will only work with substantiated information OR information where someone steps up and takes responsibility for their statement (ie, here).

I'm not "owning" any timeline. Others mentioned doing one, but they never materialized. If you or someone else would like to provide a better, more detailed timeline containing information I have not included, it's not going to hurt my feelings. Mine can go away, and I can finish remodeling my bathroom

 

[RubyRed]

Thanks Ruby!!! I appreciate your perspective and was just pondering why on a Sunday at noon, he did not draw more attention in that area....in my mom's over 55 community, the folks can relate to the minute what strangers have passed through, what they were doing and how long they were there....

Exactly, Sunday is a day when children, grandchildren would visit. Perhaps someone did see something , but they do not live there. If that were the case
then they would not know, they might have seen something of importance.
I do not know if the P.I. would ask if they had visitors, that might have seen him. Just a thought.

 

[capoly]

What is just Steven?

I would like the question I asked earlier be posed to Naegle regarding the sleep walking. Did he ever drive before while having an episode of sleep walking? If he slept in his car Sat. night--possibility.
It was said he became violent during one of these with a former roommate. Who's to say, if he did stay somewhere with someone, that this might have happened again; and things got out of hand. Maybe the person(s) was not aware that he had done this before.

[respectfully snipped, red font BM]

Steven has a history of sleepwalking which includes at least one episode of violence?

I understand, and thank you for, your persistence in seeking an answer to "What is just Steven?".

 

[hollyblue]

Receipts that are lacking the time? According to Naegle, we've been given the receipt dates/times for all receipts that were found. The only purchases that I do not have on the timeline, are those which show only on the bank records - and that's because we don't have an actual purchase date/time. Those are shown on the "receipts" page of the timeline set.

More than anyone else, I'd like the timeline to be fine-tuned. But I will only work with substantiated information OR information where someone steps up and takes responsibility for their statement (ie, here).

I'm not "owning" any timeline. Others mentioned doing one, but they never materialized. If you or someone else would like to provide a better, more detailed timeline containing information I have not included, it's not going to hurt my feelings. Mine can go away, and I can finish remodeling my bathroom

Your timeline is fine.

 

[carbuff]

You're correct. The hard drive was not "wiped", and we actually don't know what's on the computer. All we know is that the family's experts looked at it, and found nothing they thought was suspicious. We don't know if it was forensically scanned to recover deleted files.

Another thing that's odd? That in this day and age, the window-washing business used paper flyers, handed out door-to-door, to drum up business. We don't know who made that flyer. Maybe Steven did those himself on his computer, and that's not being released.

But you'd think there'd have been internet advertising, like on craigslist, for window washing, blind cleaning AND for the "Christmas lights" that were mentioned early on -- because there's nothing on the flyer for that.

If I were aiming my services at seniors, I'd want a paper flyer. The older the person, the less likely they are to be comfortable shopping via computer, but they're more likely to need an agile young person to do the chores that require climbing on a tall ladder.

Also, with home services like that, you want something that will stick around, so that people who don't need their windows washed right now will keep it and have it six months from now when they do need your service.

 

[carbuff]

Exactly, Sunday is a day when children, grandchildren would visit. Perhaps someone did see something , but they do not live there. If that were the case
then they would not know, they might have seen something of importance.
I do not know if the P.I. would ask if they had visitors, that might have seen him. Just a thought.

:idea:

When you ask people if they saw anything, you usually mean, "Did you see anything unusual?" And that's usually how they interpret it. I know I do.

Which could mean nobody mentioned Steven walking past because it was a normal thing to see him there at that time on Sunday.

 

[hollyblue]

I have been following this thread and I think it could be possible he was having an affair,
Possibly not paying rent so he could spend money on someone else. Parking his car so it would not be visible to others. Often, people do not want to draw attention to themselves,
if they are having an affair. This could also explain why no one saw him. Admitting it would
bring their own life crashing down. Sill hard to believe that on a Sunday afternoon, when
more people would be off work,that he was not seen.

Good thought. Maybe he was giving his money to someone, maybe planning for the future (or sooner) and they bailed or disappeared.

I've also had the thought that 3 mos rent would be an air ticket(s) with a little left over for expenses.

 

[hollyblue]

Naegle. Ckeck the first q&A page under laytonian's timeline. I have to run or I would do it. But I am pretty sure I identified thread and post # for that detail.

EM, Was this response to my post on the sleep walking? I didn't see a post # listed on the Q & A page.

 

[laytonian]

Your timeline is fine.

I'm calm and zen-like. Really. Do I need to use more smileys? :angel:

We can't browbeat information out of anyone...and every time we re-ask an unanswered question, that just means a longer list of questions. And the longer the list of questions, the more we pile on, the fewer responses we get.

But I'm an analytic, rather than a romanticist.

We're dealing with fragile people who are stuck halfway between hope and grief.

 

[laytonian]

Good thought. Maybe he was giving his money to someone, maybe planning for the future (or sooner) and they bailed or disappeared.

I've also had the thought that 3 mos rent would be an air ticket(s) with a little left over for expenses.

Hmmm....you just made me think of something. There's an easy way, particularly in Utah, to "hide" your debts....and they're on nearly every corner: payday lenders.

If someone started out by cashing little checks, and couldn't make the payment due in two weeks, the debt rolls over, the interest rate gets higher, and it's an avalanche of debt. They could end up owing someone a lot of money -- and it's not going to show on his bank records. Neither are the payments, if they're being made with cash.

I've been trying to figure out how Steven could have supported himself in St George, for seven months, by washing windows. Maybe the answer is: he didn't.

This is going to be one of the more outrageous theories - but what the heck:

WHAT IF: Steven parked the car, so someone else could come along and steal it (with Steven getting some money from the "transaction"). Whether there was insurance or not, he could (in his own mind) be "free" of the car. BUT....the person who was to come along and drive the car away, was savvy enough to notice the security cameras. So the car (with apparently NONE of his valuables in it!) didn't disappear, and he's even in deeper.

 

[Fairy1]

If I were aiming my services at seniors, I'd want a paper flyer. The older the person, the less likely they are to be comfortable shopping via computer, but they're more likely to need an agile young person to do the chores that require climbing on a tall ladder.

Also, with home services like that, you want something that will stick around, so that people who don't need their windows washed right now will keep it and have it six months from now when they do need your service.

That's a great point. I notice there is a Sun City community in Mesquite and many other retirement communities in the Vegas area. I wonder if it was Steven's sort of personal marketing strategy - to hit these communities to broaden their customer base. St. George is not a very large community - maybe he thought it would be a good idea to branch out but wasn't ready to let his boss know until he had a feeling for how successful he would be.

 

[hollyblue]

Posted by Naegle on 1/13/10

Interesting! I've wondered if there were mental disorders that might have happened. Steven isn't clinically bipolar and aside from being mildly depressed about the job situ he hasn't been diagnosed with anything. BUT Steven is almost famous for talking and walking/acting in his sleep. I remember a story from family legend where Steven challenged a big burly guy (who was a guest of Steven's roommate) to a fight while he was asleep. He remembered nothing about it when he woke up. Could this be a warning sign of something more serious?

 

[laytonian]

That's a great point. I notice there is a Sun City community in Mesquite and many other retirement communities in the Vegas area. I wonder if it was Steven's sort of personal marketing strategy - to hit these communities to broaden their customer base. St. George is not a very large community - maybe he thought it would be a good idea to branch out but wasn't ready to let his boss know until he had a feeling for how successful he would be.

I thought Sun City's HOAs prohibited door-to-door solicitation (?)

He *could* have (perhaps) posted his business card on various community bulletin boards, like in grocery stores or the community center.

It'd be interesting to know what kind of calls are now coming IN to his cell phone.

 

[liz b.]

A recap, maybe a whole new theory/direction :

No one in Anthem saw Steven there on that Sunday afternoon.

The scenthounds did not pick up a trace of his scent.

The only evidence of his presence is a grainy,brief video. If he was present on other videos,and his image was more clear, I am sure that the family would have produced those videos. I have wanted to know from the family exactly what it is, based on the videos, that tells them that this is Steven ?

We have no receipts to tell us that Steven was in Vegas either Saturday night, or into Sunday.

We never did find out what Mr. Wells was doing in Vegas.

I think someone dumped Steven's car there in Anthem. I do not believe that Steven was murdered. This seems to be a situation where different people know different things, especially with reference to the family.

 

[laytonian]

Posted by Naegle on 1/13/10

Interesting! I've wondered if there were mental disorders that might have happened. Steven isn't clinically bipolar and aside from being mildly depressed about the job situ he hasn't been diagnosed with anything. BUT Steven is almost famous for talking and walking/acting in his sleep. I remember a story from family legend where Steven challenged a big burly guy (who was a guest of Steven's roommate) to a fight while he was asleep. He remembered nothing about it when he woke up. Could this be a warning sign of something more serious?

Thank you!