NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 6

[laytonian]

Laytonian,
Yes,so he did have a plan to get caught up on his rent by January. But,how do you think the driving around ties in to the last time he was seen in Anthem ?
I think the person he was meeting in Anthem told him to park away from their house so that his car wouldn't be sitting outside their house,or in their driveway, for x number of days. He,or they, might have told Steven to park where he did because the "HOA does not like at home businesses to be too visible". He would probably have gone for that.They might have planned to murder him from the beginning. JMO

The driving to Anthem would be part of the "driving around".

I'm not convinced he had an appointment IN Anthem; to me, it's more logical that he was directed to park there, so that someone else could pick him up.

If he went to an Anthem home, whose? The only option I can think of, is someone who was housesitting for one of the residents.

 

[RubyRed]

The driving to Anthem would be part of the "driving around".

I'm not convinced he had an appointment IN Anthem; to me, it's more logical that he was directed to park there, so that someone else could pick him up.

If he went to an Anthem home, whose? The only option I can think of, is someone who was housesitting for one of the residents.

What about if he met up with someone's son or grandson ? It being a 55+
that is possible. And he parked his car where he did because they were going to go somewhere else to hang out. So that would keep it out of the way until they returned. For some reason we do not know, he didn't return.

 

[ding174]

im still convince that SK'S family is hiding him
too elaborate - i dont think so
lets start with the timeline starting from the :
AN RANCH = 2
NEIGHBOR = 1
VID SURVEILLANCE GUY = 1 (this is IFFY at best, what were the FACTUAL circunstances surrounding how the video surfaced and when)
STATEMENTS MADE BY HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY = 1 (their helping him dissappear so it counts as 1)

so far at the most we have 4 people helping this "elaborate" scenario
lets say that AN RANCH and the neighbor were unwittingly used to verify SK'S where abouts that only leaves 2. if VIDEO GUYS was also unwittingly brought into this (highly unlikely considering the location of the abandoned car) then its just the family.

in my very first or second post i stated that the truth is in the video.
clues had to be left in the car so that tracing owners would be quick. if there was no way to trace then the cops would be called to check if it was stolen(not a high priority on their list) if it wasnt then it would be towed. when the tow company would finally get around to sending certified letter to the last registered owner who knows how long it would take? TOO LONG! i think.

finding the car abandoned was the key of getting the "MISSING" notification out into the public domain. IF SOMEONE WAS LOOKING FOR SK THEY WERE PROBABLY HOT ON HIS TRAIL so to throw them off it may have been necessary to quickly get the word out in the media that he was missing.

since my theories as to why he had to go into hiding is too "FAR OUT THERE" for most ill leave the speculation up to you guys

i like to think that SK is alive. i even bet that if i were to hang out in the AN RANCH area i would find SK tending to their cows and livestock and helping with the daily chores of ranch life and riding on horseback in the ruby mountains alone with nature and with himself. (i know i owned a ranch in that area years ago and often hired temp ranch hands looking for a place to lay low and make a days wage while things sorted out or in was time for them to move on, i paid them fairly fed them well and asked no questions)

live STEVEN! live to the fullest and live well! and God bless you and your family

 

[marcyjoy]

If SK was dropping off an application or meeting someone, how would that person know if he had left anything in his car indicating as such....a map (since it apears the place isn't easy to find), an address, a phone number, etc? Unless they went back to the car - which I am sure would be caught again on the security camera.

If this was a person who knew nothing about SK's habits, then they wouldn't know what "trail" he would or would not have left behind.

 

[laytonian]

If SK was dropping off an application or meeting someone, how would that person know if he had left anything in his car indicating as such....a map (since it apears the place isn't easy to find), an address, a phone number, etc? Unless they went back to the car - which I am sure would be caught again on the security camera.

If this was a person who knew nothing about SK's habits, then they wouldn't know what "trail" he would or would not have left behind.

The idea is to look at the entire pack of applications and figure out what's missing. It's possible that the missing businesses are the place(s) Steven went to.

It makes some sense that the applications were aimed at either businesses within an area, or at a certain type of business.

Then...you can (possibly) figure out where Steven went, by noting which job applications are "missing".

For instance, if there are 10 XYZs in the Henderson area and there were seven XYZ applications, you can narrow his visit down to one of the three.

Process of elimination in its purest form.

 

[liz b.]

Laytonian,
"Whose house ?" So many foreclosures, so many homeowners in trouble. It could have been a temporary tenant, someone who made an agreement with a realtor about renting a place for maybe about 6 months. A troller. Realtors and owners ask few questions when money is offered these days...
Could have been a grandson/daughter, or a son/daughter of an absent owner.Quite a few possibilities. I wonder if GW ever went out to the Anthem development ?
I have to ask you : what is it that you think was behind the driving ?

 

[laytonian]

What about if he met up with someone's son or grandson ? It being a 55+
that is possible. And he parked his car where he did because they were going to go somewhere else to hang out. So that would keep it out of the way until they returned. For some reason we do not know, he didn't return.

That's a pretty good idea. The car could have been parked where it was, because the older person had told their younger relative "don't have any visitors". If the older person went somewhere for two months, Steven could still be there....watching the excitement surrounding his disappearance. That'd certainn.

You never know what your housesitter is doing.
An elderly Utah woman had her grandson housesit her trailer while she was gone. He got drunk, loaded his gun, fired it through the trailer's wall, and a small child was nearly killed. (Kinda makes you wonder what granny thought would happen to her trailer, if her grandson wasn't there to keep it safe.)

I broke scenarios 1 and 3 into "no assistance" and "had assistance", because each has options.

 

[liz b.]

Ding,
But, do you think the really,really,really bad guys would be such rubes as to fall for a made up disappearance at exactly the same time they were hot on the heels of Steven Koecher ?
However, ( and I might regret writing this), I looked at that video, and IMHO, Mr.K does not make much eye contact al all. It seemed a little odd. BUT I don't know him, and I'm not familiar with his gestures,facial expressions etc. I will close by saying that I think a few of us might have felt "gamed" a time or two ; does NOT mean a giant conspiracy was involved. I think this was a fairly simple event.

 

[laytonian]

Laytonian,
"Whose house ?" So many foreclosures, so many homeowners in trouble. It could have been a temporary tenant, someone who made an agreement with a realtor about renting a place for maybe about 6 months. A troller. Realtors and owners ask few questions when money is offered these days...
Could have been a grandson/daughter, or a son/daughter of an absent owner.Quite a few possibilities. I wonder if GW ever went out to the Anthem development ?
I have to ask you : what is it that you think was behind the driving ?

I'm sorry, I thought I'd already talked about my driving theory.

The driving could be related to performing errands or deliveries, perhaps of a shady nature. Quick money for doing someone a favor, with the "job" having been mentioned to him before he left for "Ruby Valley".

Either that, or he was just driving and thinking...and remembering. Tying up loose ends.

 

[laytonian]

How many people have proposed that part of Steven's disappearance involved an airline flight?

This is the story of a man whose car and cellphone were found left behind at the convenience store he ran in Florida.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/2/3/man_missing_from_family39s_convenience_store.html

He disappeared on Tuesday. He was tracked down within 48 hours....in Las Vegas.

 

[rd_jfc]

By Jan, FOUR months' rent would be due. About $1350, if it was about $1000 for three months.

laytonian, does this make sense to you. I'm not knowledgeable of all the posted details, but from my cursory reading the 3 months behind came from landlord, and the $1000 behind came from SK to his father (defensively).

Isn't that rent per month unreasonably low? (or maybe renting much less than an apartment or in a rural area or something, something I missed?) Did the landlord confirm the $1000 figure at same time he said it was three month and I missed it?

Also, it's been awhile since I read it, but isn't returning at night from all that driving and then going out again after half an hour or so seem unusual to you as well? It did to me when I read it.

Here's the thing, and I know you guys have expressed your frustration about it. It's next to impossible to arrange to meet people without getting / making calls or emailing. Police have had plenty of time to obtain those records. They would know who he was in contact with. How could he be driving somewhere to park to meet somebody without arranging it? And if there's no record of arranging it, then he couldn't be doing that without some super stealth effort.

I know that doesn't help a whole lot, but those are the thoughts I had when reviewed the info.

Great effort at organizing info and trying to make sense of it.

rd

 

[fran]

The difference between Steven and this other gentleman, is the other guy used his credit cards. PLUS, the other guy called home from an Atlanta telephone area code.

There has been no activity on Steven's phone since the day after he was last photo'd, and there has been no bank activity.

Gone without a trace.

JMHO
fran

PS....fwiw, you have to show id when you're boarding an airplane. So I doubt Steven went on a flight, unless it was under an assumed name AND he had a fake id (which I doubt)....fran

 

[liz b.]

Marcyjoy,
Great point about the possible map etc. in Steven's car. That crossed my mind too. But, a potential perp could have driven to where Steven's car was and taken their info out KWIM ?.Steven's car itself was not visible on those video cameras. I think Steven's car was actually parked by some mailboxes.

 

[marcyjoy]

Marcyjoy,
Great point about the possible map etc. in Steven's car. That crossed my mind too. But, a potential perp could have driven to where Steven's car was and taken their info out KWIM ?.Steven's car itself was not visible on those video cameras. I think Steven's car was actually parked by some mailboxes.

Liz B -true about not seeing the car on the camera; I guess I would assume that LE would be reviewing all tapes before the car is reported for anyone that looks out of place in that area. It is a cul-de-sac so one would think the traffic would be limited except to the mailboxes.

I guess this is why i feel like SK had been there before. I think he knew how to get there.

 

[laytonian]

By Jan, FOUR months' rent would be due. About $1350, if it was about $1000 for three months.

laytonian, does this make sense to you. I'm not knowledgeable of all the posted details, but from my cursory reading the 3 months behind came from landlord, and the $1000 behind came from SK to his father (defensively).

Isn't that rent per month unreasonably low? (or maybe renting much less than an apartment or in a rural area or something, something I missed?) Did the landlord confirm the $1000 figure at same time he said it was three month and I missed it?

The conversation about the amount of rent due, was reported by the landlord's wife, so we figure it's pretty accurate.

It does seem low until you realize that it wasn't the entire house, or even the "best bedroom". The landlords kept the master bedroom and bath for themselves (it had a separate entrance). They rented out the other two bedrooms to singles who shared the rest of the living areas. IIRC, the home only has two bedrooms, so it'd be a shared-bath situation.

If the rent was about $350, that's $700 a month (including utilities) for 2/3 of a home on the outskirts of town. No landline telephone, and the landlords still had use of their "bed and bath" portion.

Also, it's been awhile since I read it, but isn't returning at night from all that driving and then going out again after half an hour or so seem unusual to you as well? It did to me when I read it.

It does...and I'm a road warrior myself.

We don't know how far he drove on Dec 12th. All we have is the cellphone "bounce" in the Overton, Nevada area....about 80 miles away.

Here's the thing, and I know you guys have expressed your frustration about it. It's next to impossible to arrange to meet people without getting / making calls or emailing. Police have had plenty of time to obtain those records. They would know who he was in contact with. How could he be driving somewhere to park to meet somebody without arranging it? And if there's no record of arranging it, then he couldn't be doing that without some super stealth effort.

We figure he could have contacted people these ways:
1--St George Library computers (confirmed that he used them)
2--TracFone/extra cellphone (we don't know if he had one)
3--OR...the person he contacted to meet, was someone he regularly talked with, so any record on his cellphone or computer wouldn't be suspicious.

I know that doesn't help a whole lot, but those are the thoughts I had when reviewed the info.

Great effort at organizing info and trying to make sense of it.

rd

....and after all of that, it just raises more questions

 

[laytonian]

The difference between Steven and this other gentleman, is the other guy used his credit cards. PLUS, the other guy called home from an Atlanta telephone area code.
There has been no activity on Steven's phone since the day after he was last photo'd, and there has been no bank activity.
Gone without a trace.

JMHO
fran

PS....fwiw, you have to show id when you're boarding an airplane. So I doubt Steven went on a flight, unless it was under an assumed name AND he had a fake id (which I doubt)....fran

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Yup. That's why I posted it here.

Despite the many times we've reminded people that you have to show ID to get on the plane, we still get questions or theories about how that could have been avoided.

 

[laytonian]

If SK was dropping off an application or meeting someone, how would that person know if he had left anything in his car indicating as such....a map (since it apears the place isn't easy to find), an address, a phone number, etc? Unless they went back to the car - which I am sure would be caught again on the security camera.

If this was a person who knew nothing about SK's habits, then they wouldn't know what "trail" he would or would not have left behind.

Someone here (fasteddy4, I believe) made an excellent point about a map.

IF you were driving somewhere and then walking, and needed a map, you'd take the map with you when you got out of the car.

 

[pudd]

...but I'm willing to bet that a job app was what SK was taking to Anthem that Sunday.

I think the person he was meeting in Anthem told him to park away from their house so that his car wouldn't be sitting outside their house,or in their driveway, for x number of days. He,or they, might have told Steven to park where he did because the "HOA does not like at home businesses to be too visible". He would probably have gone for that.They might have planned to murder him from the beginning. JMO

.... It could have been a temporary tenant, someone who made an agreement with a realtor about renting a place for maybe about 6 months. A troller. Realtors and owners ask few questions when money is offered these days...
Could have been a grandson/daughter, or a son/daughter of an absent owner.Quite a few possibilities. I wonder if GW ever went out to the Anthem development ?

Marcyjoy,
Great point about the possible map etc. in Steven's car. That crossed my mind too. But, a potential perp could have driven to where Steven's car was and taken their info out KWIM ?

Ok, it's "quote liz b" day here today....

Absolutely sounds good that SK was in Anthem to drop off a job app (or resume? Which is it?), or possibly even to bring proof that with all the driving around "the packages had all been delivered" (not going into drugs or anything, just that someone had asked him to deliver stuff, for a few extra $$ before Christmas).

Then, either at the house of the guy who hired him to deliver stuff (or the grandson/tenant/troll) - or possibly at a house nearby - SK is a witness to something like Mr Delivery bundling his wife's body into the trunk of his car. (Ok, ok, bear with me! I'm not ding...) So, SK is (sadly) also bundled into the car and later dumped wherever the wife is, the desert? Dumpster? City dump?

It seems that SK (although going through a bad patch) was trying to get caught up on rent and Christmas shopping and was perhaps doing a little "side job" for some extra cash. All this with the fairly certain hope that the bishop would come up with some job leads in the new year, and all would be well. But, he unwittingly got tangled up in something and had to be made to disappear. For me, that's the only way SK could have disappeared.

What do you think?

 

[ding174]

Ok, it's "quote liz b" day here today....

Absolutely sounds good that SK was in Anthem to drop off a job app (or resume? Which is it?), or possibly even to bring proof that with all the driving around "the packages had all been delivered" (not going into drugs or anything, just that someone had asked him to deliver stuff, for a few extra $$ before Christmas).

Then, either at the house of the guy who hired him to deliver stuff (or the grandson/tenant/troll) - or possibly at a house nearby - SK is a witness to something like Mr Delivery bundling his wife's body into the trunk of his car. (Ok, ok, bear with me! I'm not ding...) So, SK is (sadly) also bundled into the car and later dumped wherever the wife is, the desert? Dumpster? City dump?

It seems that SK (although going through a bad patch) was trying to get caught up on rent and Christmas shopping and was perhaps doing a little "side job" for some extra cash. All this with the fairly certain hope that the bishop would come up with some job leads in the new year, and all would be well. But, he unwittingly got tangled up in something and had to be made to disappear. For me, that's the only way SK could have disappeared.

What do you think?

thanks for the support and i think that at this point any theory no matter how plausible or improbable is welcome since evrything is speculative anyway.

i tend to be more positive and want to believe SK is still alive

 

[laytonian]

Then, either at the house of the guy who hired him to deliver stuff (or the grandson/tenant/troll) - or possibly at a house nearby - SK is a witness to something like Mr Delivery bundling his wife's body into the trunk of his car. (Ok, ok, bear with me! I'm not ding...) So, SK is (sadly) also bundled into the car and later dumped wherever the wife is, the desert? Dumpster? City dump?

Great big home trash can, emptied every Tuesday in that neighborhood (someone here researched it).

While we focus on Evening Lights, we forget there were about 200 homes in that Overlook Village subdivision...and he could have been walking to any of them. That dead-end cul de sac was the only place like it, in all of SCA.

But whoever would do that, would have done it before. Maybe that accounts for the other two guys who went into thin air?