NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 6

[laytonian]

Marcyjoy,
Steven's car itself was not visible on those video cameras.

We don't know that, liz.

Why would someone have two cameras, and name them CAM3 and CAM7?

Why would someone so security-oriented only watch out for that one corner of his home....when anyone could walk in from the dead-end cul de sac?

There could be a reason why we keep hearing "he waited in the car": because he could be on another video that was shot from the back of Mr Security's home, looking west on Savannah Springs ....that's unreleased.

I'm not saying it's the case, but we can't be definite on things we don't know about.

 

[liz b.]

Laytonian,
Re : "we don't know that for sure,Liz" : We don't know much about this case "for sure" LOL But... I am going by what Mr.Koecher said when he indicated that "Steven waited in the car for about 4 -5 minutes." Mr.K thought that the time Steven was waiting was due to his having an appointment at a certain time IIRC.
But, that is weird about the camera numbers ; I don't know exactly what the retired federal marshall was wanting to observe.Everything that moved would be my best guess.... Now that I think about it, we were never told much about the other videos by the family.Only that Steven was never seen on any of them. Wonder if anyone else was ?

 

[Mia]

I see it as part of Steven's character that we're gradually learning about.

Whether it's a character flaw, or part of the immaturity that stillLooking was intimating, it's something we should consider.

Tattling to the landlord about missing food (and evidently wanting someone 200+ miles away to take care of that nickel-dime issue) BUT not paying his rent for three months?

Driving around aimlessly, spending money on gas and fast food, instead of working at his part-time job that at least paid him on Dec 8th?

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Absolutely, Laytonian. I agree with you 100 percent. I've lived with roommates before, and if one of them had begun eating my food out of the fridge, and I called my landlord to, as you so eloquently said, "tattle", I imagine my landlord would have said, "Yeah...? And? What do you want me to do about it? Tell so and so to stop eating your food!" I understand what LizB. is saying about reporting tenant disputes to one's landlord, but a roomie eating another's food out of the fridge is a bit trivial to involve the landlord in.

I definitely agree, little details like this are giving us a window into Steven reportedly acting younger than he was. And details like this are making me think it's more likely Steven was very very naive, and likely got taken advantage or/lured into a dangerous situation with the promise of money being his motivation.

 

[liz b.]

Pudd,
I believe that Steven was lured out to Anthem.Ostensibly for some job related reason. Probably murdered there. Placed in a dumpster, or buried in the desert. Killer(s) gone by now.... I doubt he was targeted or stalked ; more like a semi - random event.... IMHO.

 

[Mia]

I hate to say this, but after reading the posts from the past few days, and after the new info has come up about the job apps in the car and the details illustrating how naive/reliant on others Steven was, I'm really beginning to think he met with foul play. And the answer lies somewhere within Anthem, or at least with someone who has some kind of connection to Anthem, even if they don't live there. More and more I see a naive young man desperate to prove to his family that he could 'make it on his own', without their help - and in that state of mind, anxious to prove that he was a 'real man', Steven could have taken a risk with sketchy people/person to make some extra money that he normally wouldn't have considered. More and more the "KISS" theory is making it seem Steven was lured to that area to meet someone who had bad intentions from the start. Now I'm trying to figure out a plausible theory about who this person/people could be, and what they would want with a person like Steven.

 

[My6]

I wish the family would just come out with all the information and not slowly little by little as it does make it harder for those of us that want to help. It makes you wonder what else there is that is not being released???

 

[rd_jfc]

Given a charge for fast food on one of his drives, and other charges like from a convenience store, (and I just saw the mention of a complaint of food missing at home, not sure when), and his general financial situation, wouldn't we expect that if he went out to eat after coming home that that would be charged?

And if no charge, that he left to meet someone? Possibly responding to an email when he got home, or responding to somethig from earlier in day?

That would seem to me most likely when he woud arrange to go where he parked his car. No notes in his car about where he went, why he went there, directions, or anything else is hard to believe. I guess he could be carrying whatever he had if anything, but I am just very suspicious of what transpired when he left after coming home that night.

rd

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I think the information from Steven's parents about the Credit Card charge came out AFTER they were able to verify that it was not part of his "other life". Probably the same with the applications, and whatever comes out this week or the next. They want to "clear" the information first.

The way his mother talks about him and his potential other life, like she would accept it if it was the case, might be true to a degree. She would love to have Stephen back, but she doesn't give me the impression she would "accept" this other life, she just wants to know that he is alive and not being tortured or something. This supports their above actions...and if Steven has not come home b/c of something that happened to him, I could understand why.

I am sure having the original video of the Stephen on EL, the police could blow it up and verify with his parents it is Steven. I do not buy into the theory it was not him.

A while back it was suggested that people in Steven's ward are not talking b/c they don't gossip...and an article about gossiping was even posted. Fellow Sleuthers...PLEASE there are millions of articles about lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, , etc... for us as members of the church to read BECAUSE we need to them. I guarantee you, the desire to not gossip is not what is keeping people quiet. Some of the best Gossipers I know are in my RS and Sunday School classes!!!! I think there is something to say, but ward members are afraid to say anything because they will be quoted and have attention brought to them, possibly even unfairly. And maybe they have told what they know to LE, and it just hasn't been relayed to us. (Which I believe is the case about a lot of information.)

And the question about Steven knowing GW before he came to St. George was answered...but UNLIKELY isn't really an answer. I don't think we can count that out yet.

Some great thoughts by everyone these past few weeks. I'm sad to see we haven't progressed. But at least everyone has kept this post alive, and that's what's what the goal was/is.

 

[hollyblue]

remember KISS keep it simple silly

yeah the event could have been as simple as getting somebody pregnant

like i said ill leave the speculation up to you guys but everyone tends to veer towards a major catastrophe like murder or drug deals or shady sadistic loan sharks or lured to someones house and turned into a meal like hannibal lecter

why dont you guys throw in speculation about him being kidnapped into a white slavery ring or asian occult group who feast on human flesh for virility

oh heck one of you guys forgot to throw in the abducted by aliens theory lets not forget that!

Why would the really, really, really BAD guys want to come after Steven? What simple reason? Pregnancy? You live in Tennessee? If they wanted to hide Steven, all they would have to do is put him on a plane for Brazil, or elsewhere and then tell people he decide to go somewhere else for a job. KISS Why go through the elaborate guise of media and LE, etc.? Just to let the really, really bad guy know or was it really for a really, really good TV show idea? Hey, maybe he went up in a hot air balloon ride and is now circling the stratosphere, wanting to do a cover story on air pollution on Easter Island.
I could see some extremely narcissistic nutball that had it in for Steven getting elaborate in his disappearance, but not the parents.

 

[hollyblue]

How many people have proposed that part of Steven's disappearance involved an airline flight?

This is the story of a man whose car and cellphone were found left behind at the convenience store he ran in Florida.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/2/3/man_missing_from_family39s_convenience_store.html

He disappeared on Tuesday. He was tracked down within 48 hours....in Las Vegas.

This guy didn't seem to be wanting to disappear very much. Or not very bright.

But I would like to know what info a private, or smaller airport like the one right around the corner of Anthem, would need to have. Would they take cash, verification of id, etc. I still think there may be a chance he went there for a new id "pack".

Maybe his parents said we will pay the rent up to date, but that he would have to come home and pursue his job hunting, and then could move out again once on solid ground and employed. The "Ah, Dad" comment. He bulked and bailed. "Just bag it"

It was said he had lived in WVC. I'm guessing while working at the Trib. Who did he live with there...roomy, or by himself? Where? I don't think we ever ask or found this information out. Since there are no records, I'm thinking it had to be someplace that paid the utilities. We have never seen anything on the FB of a past roomy.

Lay can the BBM be ask of Naegle? Don't forget the Where? TIA

 

[My6]

We don't know that, liz.

Why would someone have two cameras, and name them CAM3 and CAM7?

Why would someone so security-oriented only watch out for that one corner of his home....when anyone could walk in from the dead-end cul de sac?

There could be a reason why we keep hearing "he waited in the car": because he could be on another video that was shot from the back of Mr Security's home, looking west on Savannah Springs ....that's unreleased.

I'm not saying it's the case, but we can't be definite on things we don't know about.

I completely agree! It does not make a bit of sense to me that the guy would have only 2 cameras on his house. Anyone with a security issue and go to all that money IMO would also have cameras on the back yard and infact be able to see all points of view.

I think this is just another frustrating part where we don't have all the information. Maybe we will soon, who knows the way things are coming out a little at a time, but surely frustrating.

One very good point about the "he waited in the car" How do they know this unless they actually saw him doing that?? How do they know he didn't meet up with the white four runner and talk to it?? Etc Etc Etc.. Or even someone on the other side of the gated fence?? Or get something out of the mailbox??

 

[My6]

But I would like to know what info a private, or smaller airport like the one right around the corner of Anthem, would need to have. Would they take cash, verification of id, etc. I still think there may be a chance he went there for a new id "pack".

Hollyblue,
I have wondered the same thing about private planes. Seems he could get to another country without as much security that way..

But.. Where would he get the money??

 

[laytonian]

Hollyblue,
I have wondered the same thing about private planes. Seems he could get to another country without as much security that way..

But.. Where would he get the money??

Even if you flew via private plane into another country, you'd still have to go through customs....and it'd be a lot more formal than if you merely drove across the border.

About the only way to do that, would be to board someone's single-engine plane and pay them to sneak across a border....and hope you don't get followed.

 

[laytonian]

It was said he had lived in WVC. I'm guessing while working at the Trib. Who did he live with there...roomy, or by himself? Where? I don't think we ever ask or found this information out. Since there are no records, I'm thinking it had to be someplace that paid the utilities. We have never seen anything on the FB of a past roomy.

Lay can the BBM be ask of Naegle? Don't forget the Where? TIA

Steven lived in WVC?

I know his brother Matthew and his family live there (miles and miles from the Powell home, if anyone's curious).

Steven's parents are in Bountiful. The Clipper is in Bountiful. When he worked with matchbin, the companies "he advertised with" were in Bountiful. The Trib's offices are downtown (closer to Bountiful than WVC).

I'll ask.

(I'm just trying to figure out where we're going with these WVC questions.)

 

[laytonian]

Given a charge for fast food on one of his drives, and other charges like from a convenience store, (and I just saw the mention of a complaint of food missing at home, not sure when), and his general financial situation, wouldn't we expect that if he went out to eat after coming home that that would be charged?

And if no charge, that he left to meet someone? Possibly responding to an email when he got home, or responding to somethig from earlier in day?

That would seem to me most likely when he woud arrange to go where he parked his car. No notes in his car about where he went, why he went there, directions, or anything else is hard to believe. I guess he could be carrying whatever he had if anything, but I am just very suspicious of what transpired when he left after coming home that night.

rd

That's suspicious to me, too. 20-30 minutes home and as far as we know, never seen again.

Food: he had just bought a loaf of bread and gigantic jar of peanut butter before he disappeared, and stillLooking says that there were about four slices and a big smear of PB missing. So he could have taken a couple of sandwiches with him...or eaten them at home quickly. (But why the rush?)

Checking emails while he was home that short time: he didn't have internet access. Not even on his cellphone.

 

[hollyblue]

Hollyblue,
I have wondered the same thing about private planes. Seems he could get to another country without as much security that way..

But.. Where would he get the money??

I really have no idea, but Vegas is a good place to make fast money. He was working, but not paying his rent as far as we know. About $1,000 +. Maybe someone gave him the money.

I don't know about security, I think they would have that down pat too, but as far as id's, etc, I don't know. Not hard to get a ID pack these days. Especially Vegas.

 

[hollyblue]

Steven lived in WVC?

I know his brother Matthew and his family live there (miles and miles from the Powell home, if anyone's curious).

Steven's parents are in Bountiful. The Clipper is in Bountiful. When he worked with matchbin, the companies "he advertised with" were in Bountiful. The Trib's offices are downtown (closer to Bountiful than WVC).

I'll ask.

(I'm just trying to figure out where we're going with these WVC questions.)

Yes, Early in the case, it was mentioned he had lived in WVC . Maybe he lived with his brother if he lives there. I don't know, but I'd like to know if he did or with another roomy. We have never seen or heard of a former roomy here or the FB account.

The drive to SLC is about the same from Bountiful as it is from WVC. Approx. 11.5 miles. He could have lived in WVC and still driven to Bountiful (20 mi.) I don't think the gas or mileage would/did bother Steven. My heavens, not with the mileage we have seen him put on; and the gas prices are much more now than then.

I want to know if he lived at home, roomy, brother or whoever while he was working up north. It would give a better idea of Steven himself and if there is another person (roomy) we are not aware of. How that relationship went.
Was this the same time he was doing his thing on the radio?

Can you PM me with brother's address? The last one I have is in West Jordan. 2006. TIA

Wonder if Ding got ahold of McKay?

 

[laytonian]

Yes, Early in the case, it was mentioned he had lived in WVC . Maybe he lived with his brother if he lives there. I don't know, but I'd like to know if he did or with another roomy. We have never seen or heard of a former roomy here or the FB account.

The drive to SLC is about the same from Bountiful as it is from WVC. Approx. 11.5 miles. He could have lived in WVC and still driven to Bountiful (20 mi.) I don't think the gas or mileage would/did bother Steven. My heavens, not with the mileage we have seen him put on; and the gas prices are much more now than then.

I want to know if he lived at home, roomy, brother or whoever while he was working up north. It would give a better idea of Steven himself and if there is another person (roomy) we are not aware of. How that relationship went.
Was this the same time he was doing his thing on the radio?

Can you PM me with brother's address? The last one I have is in West Jordan. 2006. TIA

Wonder if Ding got ahold of McKay?

The West Jordan looks current; WVC and WJ are kinda interchangeable
around here (unless you live in WJ).

How about you find that reference to Steven having lived in WVC. It wouldn't have been mentioned, unless there was other information.

Ding won't do that. It's just a bunch of performance art. Signed up here just to disrupt (I think it's appalling that people do that).

 

[hollyblue]

Ok, it's "quote liz b" day here today....

Absolutely sounds good that SK was in Anthem to drop off a job app (or resume? Which is it?), or possibly even to bring proof that with all the driving around "the packages had all been delivered" (not going into drugs or anything, just that someone had asked him to deliver stuff, for a few extra $$ before Christmas).

Then, either at the house of the guy who hired him to deliver stuff (or the grandson/tenant/troll) - or possibly at a house nearby - SK is a witness to something like Mr Delivery bundling his wife's body into the trunk of his car. (Ok, ok, bear with me! I'm not ding...) So, SK is (sadly) also bundled into the car and later dumped wherever the wife is, the desert? Dumpster? City dump?

It seems that SK (although going through a bad patch) was trying to get caught up on rent and Christmas shopping and was perhaps doing a little "side job" for some extra cash. All this with the fairly certain hope that the bishop would come up with some job leads in the new year, and all would be well. But, he unwittingly got tangled up in something and had to be made to disappear. For me, that's the only way SK could have disappeared.

What do you think?

I would think someone was looking for the missing wife and the neighbors would know something's not right in Anthem.

 

[hollyblue]

I keep wondering if someone in Anthem could have been renting one of the casitas? or If someone was going to be gone for a few weeks or month (X-mas/Hannakah) they might need a housesitter or possible rent/house for that time period. Everyone is travelling to relatives or vacationing with relatives at that time. Maybe a house swap situation.