NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 6

[marcyjoy]

Did you notice when he filled out the personality type, he put down one thing and then had a , But such and such after them. On every single one.

Hi Hollyblue - sometimes, those are prefilled options from a drop down box. Like a set of canned questions and canned answers. When I read it, that's what it sounded like to me.

I thought it was interesting that he "attends church always" but none of the members gave it much thought that he was in Vegas that day??

Also, he didn't mention basketball as one of his interests which would be consistent with what we've been told about the basketball game he was invited to.

 

[hollyblue]

CONCRNED CITZN,
Thank you so much for that information ; it was very helpul.

Hollyblue,
Yes, I noticed the, in the personality trait list.I didn't read too much into it. He was just trying to present himself as flexible and balanced IMHO. He is/was "young" for his years too, and I would imagine that he's still growing emotionally. His personality probably isn't set in stone just yet.KWIM ?

I know, honestly, the first thing I thought of was 'he must be a Libra', but then remembered he wasn't. I too think he may seem a little younger than his years because he does not have the same lifestyles and responsibilities as his peers of his age. Most are married and have started a family--a little more settled. Different priorities. Sad, but as someone stated before, the pickins' must be pretty slim for women in his age group now, for Mormon girls. Too bad things didn't work with AN, she was pretty from her pic on FB. They would have looked cute together anyway. That info was in 2005 and I wonder what his answers would be today, you know.

 

[marcyjoy]

Weird question, but I thought of this last night. Can someone enter rehab without anyone knowing? Anonymously? SK's last few weeks just seem so frantic and chaotic and out of character from what his family reports and I'm just wondering if he got into something and is trying to get out? I suppose if the media is catching on to the story though, someone must put two and two together....

Maybe it's a dumb question; just trying to think of something different.

 

[hollyblue]

Hi Hollyblue - sometimes, those are prefilled options from a drop down box. Like a set of canned questions and canned answers. When I read it, that's what it sounded like to me.

I thought it was interesting that he "attends church always" but none of the members gave it much thought that he was in Vegas that day??

Also, he didn't mention basketball as one of his interests which would be consistent with what we've been told about the basketball game he was invited to.

I bet they thought a lot about it, when 2 people that are normally there, were not. They may not have said anything. LOL

I thought this answer was cute:

Neat Freak or Pigpen?
I'm not a slob, but I'm not Martha Stewart either

This one, I read the question as asking something totally different. But, that gives you an idea of where he was coming from.

Drill Sergeant or Zen Master?
Sometimes I try to plan ahead, but I usually adapt as circumstances change

Regarding the basketball, IIRC he said he wouldn't be going. Someone had said he didn't usually go to them, and it was questioned of Seth why he would ask that, if Steven didn't normally go.

I would like to know if he ever went with his neighbor, accross the street, boating. Of course, we don't know of the satellite date either.---he may not have it now or be a totally different neighbor too..

 

[hollyblue]

Weird question, but I thought of this last night. Can someone enter rehab without anyone knowing? Anonymously? SK's last few weeks just seem so frantic and chaotic and out of character from what his family reports and I'm just wondering if he got into something and is trying to get out? I suppose if the media is catching on to the story though, someone must put two and two together....

Maybe it's a dumb question; just trying to think of something different.

I would think you could enter, but would probably be required to give your name and a contact name, atleast. In case of emergency, etc.

Not sure marcyjoy, but everything that I've heard or read points to "in house" in the beginning.

I know there are "outpatient" settings for the street people--at least in the city.

Maybe someone else would have more info.

 

[Lato]

Weird question, but I thought of this last night. Can someone enter rehab without anyone knowing? Anonymously? SK's last few weeks just seem so frantic and chaotic and out of character from what his family reports and I'm just wondering if he got into something and is trying to get out? I suppose if the media is catching on to the story though, someone must put two and two together....

Maybe it's a dumb question; just trying to think of something different.

I thought maybe the frantic driving might be part of a manic bi-polar episode.
If that were the case, it is possible that someone might have arranged to
have SK admitted for psychiatric care.

Close friends may not want to share information like this, and then, of course, this is just a thought. This frantic behavior may have some other
explanation.

JMHO

 

[liz b.]

I would think that in patient treatment for mental illness, or any other type of rehab, would be very expensive.How would Steven have paid for such a thing ? Wonder if he even had health insurance ?

 

[marcyjoy]

I would think that in patient treatment for mental illness, or any other type of rehab, would be very expensive.How would Steven have paid for such a thing ? Wonder if he even had health insurance ?

My only thought would be that he may have been pocketing all excess cash to go in and that's why he was living so frugally and not paying his rent. Just an idea. Thinking he could get himself out of something that he got into and not wanting to further disappoint anyone. Not knowing how much cash he was making at his PT window washing/christmas light job. I'm sure if he had health insurance or used state assistance, there would be some record. Maybe it's not really a valid scenario.

To me, all the "frantic" driving seems to be 1) thinking something through, 2) job related of some sort, or 3) a psychiatric reason.

 

[Lato]

I would think that in patient treatment for mental illness, or any other type of rehab, would be very expensive.How would Steven have paid for such a thing ? Wonder if he even had health insurance ?

I would say that anyone from the Church to an individual to a Medicaid plan could pay for treatment. The only part that I can't get past is how could someone pay for treatment and not tell his family.

 

[marcyjoy]

I'm now shooting down my own drug rehab theory

1. In order to work the "steps" I think he'd have to tell his family and it's been 2 months now. I'm sure they would have invited him to do this already.

2. Looking into HOW expensive private drug rehab is, I'm thinking he'd have not way to get this kind of money and if he used Medicaid or if he had it, private insurance, I'm thinking it would come up somewhere.

I saw an episode of disappeared yesterday that had a woman who 'vanished' from the east coast who was 'found' in Oregon 6 years later living under her own name and not hiding. Just hadn't been found. I thought it was interesting. She had no idea anyone was looking for her and thought her family would be better off without her around. I was amazed.

 

[Lato]

One of the other problems with the going into therapy scenario is leaving the car in a 55+ housing area. He would have been parked in a hospital parking lot, and no one would have bothered the car. Maybe I have thought about this one for a while because this scenario means he is alive.

 

[laytonian]

This is a very sacred part of our church, and I feel like I should be respectful and limit the discussion on the temple itself. It has very special meaning in my life, which is why I question the role of the temple in Stevens.

IMO, we really don't need to know the ins and outs of his church membership.

There's ONLY two reasons I want to know the details of the ward temple night:
1 - Because we can establish a date/time sighting, where several people would have seen him.
2 - Because someone said he was there

 

[laytonian]

I would say that anyone from the Church to an individual to a Medicaid plan could pay for treatment. The only part that I can't get past is how could someone pay for treatment and not tell his family.

Absolutely.

You can't even use insurance and/or check into a medical facility, without having to show your ID.

You can't go "anonymously" and let someone else pay for it? (If you could, there wouldn't be any of those healthcare debates!)

Even if Steven had health insurance (and I highly doubt that he did), you still have to guarantee that you'll pay the balance and give credit references. Often, they scan your credit card.

 

[laytonian]

Q: It's been mentioned that Steven lived in West Valley City for awhile (?).
A: Yep. He lived there about 2.5 years ago. The area was around 4100S and 2700W

Q: Between college graduation and moving to St George, did Steven live with his folks and/or have his own place?
A: Both, I believe. College grad was in 2005 so he live in West Valley and also Rose Park since then.

Q: If he had his own place before moving to St George, did he have a roommate? Name, or just description, if possible?
A: Directly before St George he was living with his parents.

Q: It's been two months. Could Steven be "stubborn" enough to purposely disappear for this long?
A: If we assume he went missing on purpose then I suppose he could disappear for as long as he wants. In my opinion the first few weeks would be the hardest. By now I'd think it'd be easy.

Q: Has he ever left before (obviously for not this long), but long enough to give him experience on how to do disappear?
A: No.

Q: Has any family member received a hang-up call....like maybe Steven was calling in, but couldn't bring himself to talk? (Yeah, overly dramatic)
A: Not that I know of.

 

[MBLover]

I would think that in patient treatment for mental illness, or any other type of rehab, would be very expensive.How would Steven have paid for such a thing ? Wonder if he even had health insurance ?

Here in our local area both hospitals have something that is called "charity care" where if you cannot pay your hospital bill there is some kind of fund that will take care of the costs.

There is also a free clinic here (just like I'm sure in about every other city) that will also get someone mental help if that is what is needed and no one ever asks for a dime - inpatient or outpatient.

Just throwin' this out there...

 

[laytonian]

Here in our local area both hospitals have something that is called "charity care" where if you cannot pay your hospital bill there is some kind of fund that will take care of the costs.

Yes, nonprofits do that....but it's not anonymous. You have to submit your financial records, tax records, your credit status is checked, da da da da da.

Before the charity takes over, the social workers are in charge of filing paperwork with Medicaid and other programs to cover the bill. The "charity care" kicks in last, and only as a last resort.

 

[MBLover]

Right, but Hippa laws prevent giving information to family members unless consent is signed by the patient.

 

[liz b.]

Private in patient treatment for mental illness is not available for anyone without the means to pay. And the same holds true for rehab due to drug addiction/alcohol addiction. Steven would have needed top notch medical insurance, and even then,there would still be a gap, in that even the best insurance will not cover everything. Indigent,or low income patients might be admitted to a state mental hospital a charity hospital, but in a situation like that, the family would be located. But, in any case I am absolutely sure that LE has checked all local hospitals already. JMO

 

[Fairy1]

Yes, nonprofits do that....but it's not anonymous. You have to submit your financial records, tax records, your credit status is checked, da da da da da.

Before the charity takes over, the social workers are in charge of filing paperwork with Medicaid and other programs to cover the bill. The "charity care" kicks in last, and only as a last resort.

Do we know if any of Steven's financial records are missing?

Vegas isn't known for its stellar care of people with mental illness and any state funded programs would be severely lacking just now. Indigent people requiring medical care would wind up at University Medical Center. I'm not sure how the HIPAA regulations would impact a missing persons search such as what we have here.

 

[renn3434]

I've reached out to one of Steven's ward members on the condition of anonymity requesting info about GW. So far no response. If they don't resond I'll just move on to the next one. Someone has got to help us out. I'll keep ya'll posted.