NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 7

[laytonian]

unless the drive has cars in it already. Maybe a meeting of somesort?

To me, the car was parked out of sight, purposely.

Whether it was being dumped, or its/his presence was being disguised from neighbors, I can't think of a *legitimate* reason it was parked where it was.

Did Steven know that? Perhaps not.

The SUV pulled up on the street and stayed awhile. Why couldn't Steven's car have been parked the same way, IF a legitimate purpose?

 

[Yeahitsanna]

To me, the car was parked out of sight, purposely.

Whether it was being dumped, or its/his presence was being disguised from neighbors, I can't think of a *legitimate* reason it was parked where it was.

Did Steven know that? Perhaps not.

The SUV pulled up on the street and stayed awhile. Why couldn't Steven's car have been parked the same way, IF a legitimate purpose?

because i dont want to block a car i KNOW needs to get out?

 

[Yeahitsanna]

looking at the timeline, the last food we see steven purchase was at 4:00pm on saturday. He had some snacks in the car, but no record of a meal. Assuming he woulnt shop on sunday (lds standard) noon is lunchtime. Maybe lunch with someone? I just dont understand why no one would have come forward though.

 

[laytonian]

looking at the timeline, the last food we see steven purchase was at 4:00pm on saturday. He had some snacks in the car, but no record of a meal. Assuming he woulnt shop on sunday (lds standard) noon is lunchtime. Maybe lunch with someone? I just dont understand why no one would have come forward though.

I think Steven was buying snack foods, at convenience stores when he also bought gasoline. We don't know what he bought in Mesquite on Dec 12th (Saturday), but snack foods were found in his car (per his brother, one of the first to inspect the car).

I don't think we can ascribe Sunday actions (or nonactions) solely to religious views (otherwise, our stores here would only have Gentiles in them on Sundays ). Maybe it's just me, but someone who wouldn't shop or work on Sundays for religious reasons, wouldn't skip his church calling on Sunday for an appointment, work, or lunch.

This case has been so under-the-radar, IF there was an appointment, there may be someone out there DOES know something, but doesn't know that they know something....KWIM? Like maybe someone who was waiting for a young man to show up, but they never did.

 

[ding174]

Neither did the person who found my phone, four years ago. Fifteen minutes after I knew I'd lost it, I called it and no one answered so I left a voicemail saying "I am the owner of this phone Please call me at (other number) so I can give you a reward in return for finding my phone." Yet, they continued to use it for about half a day until it went dead, according to my later billing records. Just local calls, no one called Brazil.

brazil? lets see . . .SK was said to have gone to brazil. . . .and you mentioned that the dweller on chasma drive aside from EN and UN was possibly from brazil . .. whats with the BRAZIL coincidence popping up all of a sudden?:waitasec:

 

[carbuff]

I tend to park in cul de sacs when there's one available -- it just seems easier.

 

[laytonian]

brazil? lets see . . .SK was said to have gone to brazil. . . .and you mentioned that the dweller on chasma drive aside from EN and UN was possibly from brazil . .. whats with the BRAZIL coincidence popping up all of a sudden?:waitasec:

I didn't mention that anyoen on Chasma was from Brazil. I just threw the word in as a joke about what didn't happen to my lost cellphone years ago.

I think the Chasma Drive N family went nowhere. Haven't got a thing back on it, and if there's anything, I usually do get a reaction.

 

[ding174]

I didn't mention that anyoen on Chasma was from Brazil. I just threw the word in as a joke about what didn't happen to my lost cellphone years ago.

I think the Chasma Drive N family went nowhere. Haven't got a thing back on it, and if there's anything, I usually do get a reaction.

not getting a reaction IS a type of reaction ;-)

 

[carbuff]

I don't think it was the Chasma Drive family that had a possibly Brazilian housekeeper or caregiver. It was one of the Evening Lights or Savannah Springs houses.

 

[ding174]

i still believe that if he disappeared of his own free will that he did not do it alone

and if he disappeared from foul play - whoever did it didnt do it alone and whether the criminal act was random or planned out only time will tell

i wonder if he didnt get someone pregnant and they went into hiding to avoid embarrasement with the help of family and/or friends

 

[laytonian]

i still believe that if he disappeared of his own free will that he did not do it alone

and if he disappeared from foul play - whoever did it didnt do it alone and whether the criminal act was random or planned out only time will tell

No one (his family or friends) has yet to convince me (based on what we know right now) that it's absolutely, positively 100% Steven on that security video.

That parking place is behind a wall. You AIM for that spot, you have to have prior knowledge and great directions. To land there at random (the ONLY cul de sac like it in all of Anthem Sun City), he should have instead put $10 down on Keno pick 5.

i wonder if he didnt get someone pregnant and they went into hiding to avoid embarrasement with the help of family and/or friends

I don't think pregnancy is *that* embarrassing.

The boy next door to us got married in the LDS Temple to a girl who'd had a baby out of wedlock (by some other guy) a year before.

 

[ding174]

No one (his family or friends) has yet to convince me (based on what we know right now) that it's absolutely, positively 100% Steven on that security video.

That parking place is behind a wall. You AIM for that spot, you have to have prior knowledge and great directions. To land there at random (the ONLY cul de sac like it in all of Anthem Sun City), he should have instead put $10 down on Keno pick 5.



I don't think pregnancy is *that* embarrassing.

The boy next door to us got married in the LDS Temple to a girl who'd had a baby out of wedlock (by some other guy) a year before.

yes you do see that in the video now, im glad. "embarrassing" is relative. depending on who you are it could be devastating. in my culture if you got a girl pregnant it was shotgun wedding - literaly - to save the girls honor! if the families had enough they would send the soon to be parents to america away from embarrassing inquiries.

so lets say it not him on the video . . .and just a random passerby:waitasec:
and it was SK in the car who got out of it right after he parked. where did he go?

 

[Fairy1]

I think Steven was buying snack foods, at convenience stores when he also bought gasoline. We don't know what he bought in Mesquite on Dec 12th (Saturday), but snack foods were found in his car (per his brother, one of the first to inspect the car).

I don't think we can ascribe Sunday actions (or nonactions) solely to religious views (otherwise, our stores here would only have Gentiles in them on Sundays ). Maybe it's just me, but someone who wouldn't shop or work on Sundays for religious reasons, wouldn't skip his church calling on Sunday for an appointment, work, or lunch.

This case has been so under-the-radar, IF there was an appointment, there may be someone out there DOES know something, but doesn't know that they know something....KWIM? Like maybe someone who was waiting for a young man to show up, but they never did.

I agree. But if whoever was supposed to show up didn't - it still doesn't explain what has happened to Steven. Same with getting lost in SCA. I've certainly lost my car in parking garages and so forth, but I'm pretty sure I could find it in nearly 3 months!

Most of you know that I tend to resist the notion that Steven has come to harm. And I feel that LE also doesn't have that feeling or more searches would have been conducted by now. That is not to say they don't make mistakes and assume that people ran away when they're really gone or in danger. If you spend enough time around here, you see the inequities in missing persons cases all the time.

I just don't know what to think. It's like Steven's family said at the PC a couple weeks ago, there are many plausible scenarios, but every one of them is flawed in some way or another.

 

[laytonian]

so lets say it not him on the video . . .and just a random passerby:waitasec:
and it was SK in the car who got out of it right after he parked. where did he go?

My own theory is this: IF it's not Steven in the video, Steven never made it to that SCA neighborhood. The person you see in the video, merely dropped the car off and walked to a residence he was familiar with OR was meeting someone who picked him up and drove him away.

It was 1-3/4 hours between the last time someone talked to Steven, and when the car arrives in SCA. A lot could have happened in that time.

Was Steven a crime victim?
Did he leave of his own accord?

I don't know.

But, to me, the thing that makes the LEAST sense, is Steven parking that car in that very place.

(Trying to make the illogical, logical)

 

[laytonian]

I agree. But if whoever was supposed to show up didn't - it still doesn't explain what has happened to Steven. Same with getting lost in SCA. I've certainly lost my car in parking garages and so forth, but I'm pretty sure I could find it in nearly 3 months!

The "getting lost" scenario, to me, merely explains how he could have ended up where the car was found.

Most of you know that I tend to resist the notion that Steven has come to harm. And I feel that LE also doesn't have that feeling or more searches would have been conducted by now. That is not to say they don't make mistakes and assume that people ran away when they're really gone or in danger. If you spend enough time around here, you see the inequities in missing persons cases all the time.

I just don't know what to think. It's like Steven's family said at the PC a couple weeks ago, there are many plausible scenarios, but every one of them is flawed in some way or another.

It's admirable to not want to believe someone has come to harm.

But "no searches" might just mean LE has exhausted the obvious. Like the (dreaded) SP case, where there's been only one search in a limited area, if you don't know where to look, it's nonproductive to just look "someone" (busywork).

In many ways, leaving on his own makes the most sense. The only "cons" are (1) the need for money, (2) the need for help, (3) why leave all your stuff behind and (4) would you really want to hurt your family that deeply?
Damn. That's a LOT of cons.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[ding174]

My own theory is this: IF it's not Steven in the video, Steven never made it to that SCA neighborhood. The person you see in the video, merely dropped the car off and walked to a residence he was familiar with OR was meeting someone who picked him up and drove him away.

It was 1-3/4 hours between the last time someone talked to Steven, and when the car arrives in SCA. A lot could have happened in that time.

Was Steven a crime victim?
Did he leave of his own accord?

I don't know.

But, to me, the thing that makes the LEAST sense, is Steven parking that car in that very place.

(Trying to make the illogical, logical)

so if you hold that thought and backtrack some more what if the "illogical" driving from RV visit was someone else driving his car and not quite sure where SK lived . . .then he finds the address and it late at night and he spends about 30 minutes trying to find a way in but its locked and he gets spooked maybe because a neighbor is "watching" it dark and late mind you so neighbor assumes its SK - his car - clothes he is wearing - same build as SK - so he leaves without getting in (SK'S belongings are safe and untouched). . . then continues driving
:waitasec:

 

[Fairy1]

My own theory is this: IF it's not Steven in the video, Steven never made it to that SCA neighborhood. The person you see in the video, merely dropped the car off and walked to a residence he was familiar with OR was meeting someone who picked him up and drove him away.

It was 1-3/4 hours between the last time someone talked to Steven, and when the car arrives in SCA. A lot could have happened in that time.

Was Steven a crime victim?
Did he leave of his own accord?

I don't know.

But, to me, the thing that makes the LEAST sense, is Steven parking that car in that very place.

(Trying to make the illogical, logical)

BBM - what has become the standard in Steven's case!

The main reason I believe it IS Steven in that video and that he HASN'T come to harm is that there is no trail to lead anyone there. It appears to be a purposely clandestine "meeting." I don't believe it all was manipulated by another person. Why Steven? Why is there NO TRAIL? Was he really that gullible? I just really can't believe that.

For the sake of argument, let's say he was there for a job interview or romantic tryst. Would he really have gone on a Sunday, when he had responsibilities two hours away to meet someone who said "don't call me from your cell phone" and "park here and walk to ......." Would he really fall for that?

 

[Fairy1]

The "getting lost" scenario, to me, merely explains how he could have ended up where the car was found.



It's admirable to not want to believe someone has come to harm.

But "no searches" might just mean LE has exhausted the obvious. Like the (dreaded) SP case, where there's been only one search in a limited area, if you don't know where to look, it's nonproductive to just look "someone" (busywork).

In many ways, leaving on his own makes the most sense. The only "cons" are (1) the need for money, (2) the need for help, (3) why leave all your stuff behind and (4) would you really want to hurt your family that deeply?
Damn. That's a LOT of cons.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

LE has not even begun to explore the SP case, in terms of searching for her. They have no clue where to look and so many of the possible areas have been buried under snow since she went "missing." IMO, she is deceased and they will find her come the spring.

I'm really not attempting to be admirable. I have gut feelings on most of the cases I follow as to whether the missing folks are alive or not - and I'm almost always right - based on the circumstances.

One of the things that concerns me most about Steven is how he seems to have distanced himself from family and friends in the year or so before he went missing. That is a red flag to me and should be to the family as well.

One of the things I've been thinking about is how so many of his "friends" have nothing of substance to say. It reminds me of runaway kids whose friends DO know that they ran away and may even know where they are, but won't say. It's odd to me.

 

[ding174]

LE has not even begun to explore the SP case, in terms of searching for her. They have no clue where to look and so many of the possible areas have been buried under snow since she went "missing." IMO, she is deceased and they will find her come the spring.

I'm really not attempting to be admirable. I have gut feelings on most of the cases I follow as to whether the missing folks are alive or not - and I'm almost always right - based on the circumstances.

One of the things that concerns me most about Steven is how he seems to have distanced himself from family and friends in the year or so before he went missing. That is a red flag to me and should be to the family as well.

One of the things I've been thinking about is how so many of his "friends" have nothing of substance to say. It reminds me of runaway kids whose friends DO know that they ran away and may even know where they are, but won't say. It's odd to me.

yes the key word is "substance" and lack of it.
and from the time he left RV do we really know if he was alone in his car?
if someone was with him was SK under duress or was it someone helping him disappear? or someone who was going to disappear with him?:waitasec:

 

[dovebar]

brazil? lets see . . .SK was said to have gone to brazil. . . .and you mentioned that the dweller on chasma drive aside from EN and UN was possibly from brazil . .. whats with the BRAZIL coincidence popping up all of a sudden?:waitasec:

He went on a Brazilian mission. The person with the Brazilian name is listed as living at the Chasma drive house with the N's. Would he have missed church to go meet with a former convert who had become a friend? Would he just have stopped by, which is why there's no trail to set up an appointment?

And thanks for passing on the flyer to Food Not Bombs. Maybe their eyes and ears will turn up something.