NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 7

[carbuff]

....who just happened to build a website for that place of business, and also created another website (allied to that business) with the same phone number?

Okay, I did not see that part.

 

[ding174]

....who just happened to build a website for that place of business, and also created another website (allied to that business) with the same phone number?

interesting my dear watson

 

[laytonian]

Okay, I did not see that part.

That's why I gave the domain registry information, then a link to info about each site

 

[carbuff]

I didn't get domain registry information. I got a blank screen...

update: there, restarted my browser, cleared cache, and erased history, and now I can see it...hmmm is right.

 

[Fairy1]

Just because they made an inquiry, doesn't mean they're "involved". Like fasteddy4 said, it could be a response to his alert about the UNid'd remains found in the channel.

Nah - doesn't sound that way to me:

"Police investigators from Henderson, Nev., and Sacramento, Calif., have contacted the parents of missing Steven T. Koecher following the recent announcement of a $10,000 reward for information.

The California investigators are trying to determine if Koecher is connected to an investigation there, while Nevada police report that a number of tips have been received and are being investigated.

The one at 1275 West Craig Road, North Las Vegas, NV? By the IHOP and the Deseret Industries/church welfare center? It's only a couple of blocks from the Craig Road & MLK bus stop

(ducking and running)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Ruby Valley = Elko.

I'd see some localized deliveries maybe, but not anything large-scale.

My responses bolded in red.

 

[laytonian]

My responses bolded in red.

I see that. There's actually 7 Home Depots (according to Google search)...but I've become such an expert on the Vegas city map, I spotted that one on W Craig immediately. No, I don't see one by the other DI.
I guess that would be Homeless Depot

WAIT! I just reread that Clipper article -- something was nagging at me about it, and I just figured out what:

"One lead involves a reported sighting of Koecher at a Las Vegas area Home Depot in late January. Police have requested surveillance tapes from the day in question and hope that family members will be able to determine whether or not the person indicated is Koecher."

Late January? The press conference was Feb 26th. Would Home Depot have their security tapes archived for that long? And why would that tip come through only after the reward was offered....?? Why would someone remember Steven a month later?
"...the person indicated is Koecher???" INDICATED? Is it possible that this "sighting" was actually Steven's credit card being used?

 

[Fairy1]

I have a few issues with this drug angle.

It seems fe4's psychologist's friend believes Steven was ON drugs - not just RUNNING drugs or drug money. There's a big difference - particularly if we want to believe Steven didn't actually know what he was doing.

And I also wonder why Steven wasn't able to pay his rent if he was into something illegal for the money.

I also have to wonder, how did he meet the person who led him down this road?. There would have to be some type of contact - whether it be by phone or computer. Some type of contact that was traceable before the "bad" guy or guys got him an untraceable phone or instructed him not to contact them in a way that could be traced.

I just can't get totally on board with this theory.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I have a few issues with this drug angle.

It seems fe4's psychologist's friend believes Steven was ON drugs - not just RUNNING drugs or drug money. There's a big difference - particularly if we want to believe Steven didn't actually know what he was doing.

And I also wonder why Steven wasn't able to pay his rent if he was into something illegal for the money.

I just can't get totally on board with this theory.

Me neither...but he did say he was going to catch up on his rent. Maybe this was just "a one time" thing. Could explain temple night, as a "protection" visit for what was to come. BUT, I don't think he knew it was drugs, if it turns out to be drugs. BUT...again, I don't really find myself buying into this at all.

 

[sbakker]

I have a few issues with this drug angle.

It seems fe4's psychologist's friend believes Steven was ON drugs - not just RUNNING drugs or drug money. There's a big difference - particularly if we want to believe Steven didn't actually know what he was doing.

And I also wonder why Steven wasn't able to pay his rent if he was into something illegal for the money.

I also have to wonder, how did he meet the person who led him down this road?. There would have to be some type of contact - whether it be by phone or computer. Some type of contact that was traceable before the "bad" guy or guys got him an untraceable phone or instructed him not to contact them in a way that could be traced.

I just can't get totally on board with this theory.

I think alot of us are just trying to throw things out. I do no think Steven knew he was doing something illegal. if he was running drugs, or money back and forth. But maybe when he figured it out, he said not going to do this. And the person he was doing it for, got scared, and hurt Steven.

Do you mind if I ask what your thoughts are about what might have happened?

 

[Fairy1]

I think alot of us are just trying to throw things out. I do no think Steven knew he was doing something illegal. if he was running drugs, or money back and forth. But maybe when he figured it out, he said not going to do this. And the person he was doing it for, got scared, and hurt Steven.

Do you mind if I ask what your thoughts are about what might have happened?

Honestly, I change my mind every day - sometimes several times a day!

I'm inclined to believe Steven is alive and somewhere in the Las Vegas area - not involved in something illegal, but living a life his church and family would not support.

I'm not new to this. There have been many missing persons cases where I KNEW the person was no longer living. I just don't have that feeling on this case. It's not because he's LDS and seemed to be a devout follower. There were plenty of things happening - or not happening - in Steven's life that could have lead him to walk away, IMO. The fact that he was told or convinced to believe that playing the guitar would "ruin his life" hurts my heart. It makes me wonder how restrictive his life was and if he could breathe!

IDK. I am hoping Steven is alive and well and discovering that playing the guitar or being gay or having sex or just living free will not ruin his life.

 

[SuziQ]

Just popping in to make a quick comment. I've always felt with all the driving that Steven did that he was making deliveries for someone. Perfectly innocent people desperate for work end up commiting crimes because they don't know they are commiting any.

One guy recently, a layed off school teacher desperate for work, thought he had a job cutting checks and mailing them out for a corporation. Turns out he was helping operate a Nigerian scam.

 

[Fairy1]

Just popping in to make a quick comment. I've always felt with all the driving that Steven did that he was making deliveries for someone. Perfectly innocent people desperate for work end up commiting crimes because they don't know they are commiting any.

One guy recently, a layed off school teacher desperate for work, thought he had a job cutting checks and mailing them out for a corporation. Turns out he was helping operate a Nigerian scam.

You're right SuziQ - and there are tons of "desperate" people out there right now just trying to make ends meet. People doing things they would never have dreamed of doing.

The thing is, Steven was single and didn't have a mortgage to pay or babies to feed. He had a safety net in his family and he obviously knew that.

That being said....he is a 30-year-old MAN who seemed to be trying to be independent. He was very active in his church and was doing everything he was taught to believe was the "right' way to live his life. Yet he didn't have the seemingly simple things he wanted.

I just don't find it so difficult to believe he wanted to start over. For whatever reason he may have had.

 

[renn3434]

Sudden thought:
Maybe it's not a portfolio/netbook/folder?

What if it's simply a folded-up jacket?

I believe it is a jacket and stated that in one of my very first posts. I've never seen a "portfolio". It looks like a jacket to me. Just sayin'.

 

[hollyblue]

That's maybe why he parked there. He might have wanted his family to think he disapeared by some evil hand.

If he started walking and kept going for 24 hours he could have easily walked 20 to 40 miles. I could walk that far in that time.

If he wanted to really disappear why did he answer his phone and tell people where he was?

I still think there is something wacky--not right--downright hinky about those calls.

 

[gsmith]

Honestly, I change my mind every day - sometimes several times a day!

I'm inclined to believe Steven is alive and somewhere in the Las Vegas area - not involved in something illegal, but living a life his church and family would not support.

I'm not new to this. There have been many missing persons cases where I KNEW the person was no longer living. I just don't have that feeling on this case. It's not because he's LDS and seemed to be a devout follower. There were plenty of things happening - or not happening - in Steven's life that could have lead him to walk away, IMO. The fact that he was told or convinced to believe that playing the guitar would "ruin his life" hurts my heart. It makes me wonder how restrictive his life was and if he could breathe!

IDK. I am hoping Steven is alive and well and discovering that playing the guitar or being gay or having sex or just living free will not ruin his life.

I certainly hope you're right. I hope he's alive and having fun. I would love to see him again someday.

He wasn't very serious with music and didn't seem very frustrated about conforming to the religion. I got him to open up. I always wanted to do music but I knew how hard it would be to have a Fam and a steady income doing music. I think that's what he meant. A life in music wasn't practicle for employment to support the life he WANTED.

I wanted to go to California with my band. My guitarist begged me to go. However I was torn between having that life and the traditional family life.

Maybe since the conformity thing wasn't working he finally said screw it, I'm going to have fun.

 

[hollyblue]

...and "demons" could mean that whatever he was fighting, wasn't approved by those who pass judgment on him.....and who'd call it "the dark side".

Just because you want to change your life, doesn't mean that you're turning evil. But it could seem so, I guess.

Boy, if this doesn't hit home....I had a relative that swore I was smoking pot because I burned incense and was an idol worshiper because I have my house decorated in the Oriental scheme, which does include little Buddhas. But I am not a Buddhist. They also saw a copy of the book The Buddenbrooks in my library and immediately stated "Buddha". I could go on.....but you get my jest. In their eyes I need "saved", in my eyes they need educated.

 

[carbuff]

This is kind of off the wall, but if Fasteddy's psychologist friend is right about the drugs, do you suppose Steven went off to some kind of six-month rehab program and is trying to keep his parents from finding out about it?

 

[RubyRed]

This is kind of off the wall, but if Fasteddy's psychologist friend is right about the drugs, do you suppose Steven went off to some kind of six-month rehab program and is trying to keep his parents from finding out about it?

This would be a nice thought, but somehow I don't think he is in rehab. Just my opinion , though.

 

[Fairy1]

I certainly hope you're right. I hope he's alive and having fun. I would love to see him again someday.

He wasn't very serious with music and didn't seem very frustrated about conforming to the religion. I got him to open up. I always wanted to do music but I knew how hard it would be to have a Fam and a steady income doing music. I think that's what he meant. A life in music wasn't practicle for employment to support the life he WANTED.

I wanted to go to California with my band. My guitarist begged me to go. However I was torn between having that life and the traditional family life.

Maybe since the conformity thing wasn't working he finally said screw it, I'm going to have fun.

This is what I was trying to say. Thanks!

 

[laytonian]

This is kind of off the wall, but if Fasteddy's psychologist friend is right about the drugs, do you suppose Steven went off to some kind of six-month rehab program and is trying to keep his parents from finding out about it?

A secret drug rehab program that takes care of non-insured patients pro-bono?