NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 8

[pudd]

If I have my lefts and rights together, this is the way....
savannah springs, right on laurel heights, right on anthem, left on wild iris, left on apparition, left on hydrus and right on evening twilight.

Tough area to navigate isn't it.

OR....at the beginning of Wild Iris, there is a golf cart path that goes directly to Evening Twilight...if you are walking.

I think the whole area is a bit of a labyrinth, and it would be fatal if there were a fire or some sort of natural disaster, with people unable to leave the area quickly. Not that that has anything to do with Steven... I like the letter carrier idea though!

 

[laytonian]

You know, I was just looking at the SCA map on the timeline and I'm danged if I can figure out how one would get onto Evening Twilight myself! I'm the first to admit, I'm not very good at navigating these maps, or I would have discovered this before. But how DO you get onto that street?

AHA!

Look at the map. Why would anyone park where Steven did, to go to Evening Twilight? They wouldn't.

-- UNLESS they turned the wrong way off Anthem Parkway. From there, you see Evening Lights (the same minus "twi") quickly as you're driving by, and think you're there. That's been my point, all along.

 

[laytonian]

I think the whole area is a bit of a labyrinth, and it would be fatal if there were a fire or some sort of natural disaster, with people unable to leave the area quickly. Not that that has anything to do with Steven... I like the letter carrier idea though!

What letter carrier idea?

As for disaster: I think that cul de sac at Savannah Springs is there for that purpose. It would be the ONLY way out of Overlook Village, if there was a wreck at the corner of Anthem & Laurel Heights.

ETA: found letter carrier idea. (Was done.)

 

[laytonian]

I wonder if LE has spoken with the area's mail carrier? Mail Carriers notice things in their delivery neighborhood. Who knows if unusual activity had gone on in the past, or month that SK disappeared.

Not a strange question considering an FBI agent once asked my husband about folks living in a home on his route.

Did your husband make house-to-house deliveries? There's no such thing in SCA; only deliveries to group boxes.

The letter carrier was talked to; I can't remember the exact conversation off hand, but you can do a search here for the discussions.

The carrier had noticed the car sitting there for several days, undisturbed.
Since a flyer was placed on the mailbox, it's obvious the carrier saw a picture of Steven.

 

[laytonian]

How about flyers to the Brazilian Red Cross, and the US Embassy in Brazil? SK seemed to have enjoyed his mission in Brazil, and although his passport was found among his things at his home....folks do find ways to get fake passports.

How would that work, if you're looking for someone travelling on a fake passport (ie, a different name)?

ETA:
I was hoping someone would think of a "duplicate passport". Since Steven had recently renewed his, he would have received a small batch of documents that would allow him to easily replace a "lost" passport. We don't know if those were found or not. (I know what you receive, because we recently renewed ours.)

While I don't think he's out of the country (for various reasons, one being money), we don't know if anyone ever checked with the State Department or TSA to determine if there was any passport activity.

 

[TechWriter797]

Maybe I'm being naive, yet can the family set up another search party themselves, and search the foothills of SCA, and the open areas around the St. George residence?:waitasec:

Was the drainage system checked along the way? If he stepped on an open or lose cover, he could have plunged underground, hit his head, and died.

 

[laytonian]

Was the drainage system checked along the way? If he stepped on an open or lose cover, he could have plunged underground, hit his head, and died.

With all due respect, how would that "what if" work without detection in the SCA sewer system?

 

[laytonian]

Maybe I'm being naive, yet can the family set up another search party themselves, and search the foothills of SCA, and the open areas around the St. George residence?:waitasec:

Personally, I'd like to see the area(s) around the St George residence checked. There's hills, there's that water channel, that wetlands.

I know. Everyone "knows" it's Steven in the security video, but all I see is an average-sized guy walking down the street. You can't even see what he's wearing.

 

[TechWriter797]

With all due respect, how would that "what if" work without detection in the SCA sewer system?

How would it be detected? The grate for the drainage system on our street lets leaves, dirt, and trash in. As long as water can still get by, there's nothing to notify anybody. When the water is blocked or coming in faster than it's going through the system, then the water backs up on the street.

I personally know of someone who fell into the drainage system in Buffalo due to stepping on a cover that was ajar. Luckily, he wasn't seriously injured or knocked unconscious.

Anyway, it's just a suggestion... while you are looking for someone, don't forget to look down.

 

[laytonian]

How would it be detected? The grate for the drainage system on our street lets leaves, dirt, and trash in. As long as water can still get by, there's nothing to notify anybody. When the water is blocked or coming in faster than it's going through the system, then the water backs up on the street.

I personally know of someone who fell into the drainage system in Buffalo due to stepping on a cover that was ajar. Luckily, he wasn't seriously injured or knocked unconscious.

Anyway, it's just a suggestion... while you are looking for someone, don't forget to look down.

SCA doesn't have that kind of runoff system (with large grates that a body would fall into and disappear).

http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/f1-images

We have lots of pictures, satellite views and other things you can look at. Henderson Nevada isn't at all like Buffalo, New York (or Wyoming) We need creative thinking based on the environment and situation! Stick around and help!

 

[laytonian]

Ten new pictures of Steven have been added to the FB page. Some appear to be college graduation, others I can't tell.

Help Us Find Steven Koecher (Pictures)

 

[RubyRed]

2 posts the first is the original post the second is the response to it.I have no comment, LOL

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Susan Powell: Odd discovery in West Utah Desert


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Susan Powell: Odd discovery in West Utah Desert

 

[laytonian]

2 posts the first is the original post the second is the response to it.I have no comment, LOL

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Susan Powell: Odd discovery in West Utah Desert


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Susan Powell: Odd discovery in West Utah Desert

I'll probably get kicked off WS now

Read a few examiner.com "news" stories about this, and maybe you'll go ding-ding-ding like I just did.

ETA:
Here's what all the suspicion is about. Someone found some cement poured out west in the desert, and (evidently) believes Susan Powell is buried underneath it.

Look carefully at this "body shaped cement". Am I the only one who seems something growing THROUGH it? SP disappeared in December. If that cement was dumped over her, why would there be a weed growing through it? (If the cement was dumped OVER the weed, then the weed would have cement ON it.)

 

[Fairy1]

AHA!

Look at the map. Why would anyone park where Steven did, to go to Evening Twilight? They wouldn't.

-- UNLESS they turned the wrong way off Anthem Parkway. From there, you see Evening Lights (the same minus "twi") quickly as you're driving by, and think you're there. That's been my point, all along.

I totally get your point. But you can't see Evening Lights from Anthem Parkway and unless you had specific directions, you wouldn't know to turn down Laurel Springs then left on Savannah Springs to get there. BUT, I can't see where you would turn in to get to Evening Twilight either? It's on the opposite side of the parkway and, from what I can see, you would definitely have to know where you were going to get there. Yes, you could walk in from Anthem Parkway, but HOW would you know that?

 

[laytonian]

I totally get your point. But since you can't see Evening Lights from Anthem Parkway and if you had specific directions, you wouldn't know to turn down Laurel Springs then left on Savannah Springs to get there.

You couldn't see Evening Twilight from Anthem Parkway, either -- right? Walls on both sides, all the way.

BUT, I can't see where you would turn in to get to Evening Twilight either? It's on the opposite side of the parkway and, from what I can see, you would definitely have to know where you were going to get there.

Yes, it's on the opposite side of the parkway, best access is through Wild Iris -- which means all you'd have to do, is make the first wrong turn.

Instead of turning LEFT onto Wild Iris and going LEFT and LEFT again to get to Evening Twilight .... maybe you turn right onto Laurel Heights, do LEFT and then see "Evening Lights".

You know -- like when someone gives you those awful directions that say things like "take the third left past the stop light" BUT you're driving south instead of north, so you're backwards?

Yes, you could walk in from Anthem Parkway, but HOW would you know that?

With one of those really bad sets of directions that say "take the third left past the stop light"?

When YOU went there, what did you use to navigate? A GPS? A street map? Something printed off the 'net?

Imagine trying to get to ANY Anthem address using directions that someone scrawled on a piece of paper.

It would only take one "miss" - on your part, or the direction-giver's.

 

[Fairy1]

You couldn't see Evening Twilight from Anthem Parkway, either -- right? Walls on both sides, all the way.



Yes, it's on the opposite side of the parkway, best access is through Wild Iris -- which means all you'd have to do, is make the first wrong turn.

Instead of turning LEFT onto Wild Iris and going LEFT and LEFT again to get to Evening Twilight .... maybe you turn right onto Laurel Heights, do LEFT and then see "Evening Lights".

You know -- like when someone gives you those awful directions that say things like "take the third left past the stop light" BUT you're driving south instead of north, so you're backwards?



With one of those really bad sets of directions that say "take the third left past the stop light"?

When YOU went there, what did you use to navigate? A GPS? A street map? Something printed off the 'net?

Imagine trying to get to ANY Anthem address using directions that someone scrawled on a piece of paper.

It would only take one "miss" - on your part, or the direction-giver's.

It would be very difficult to navigate that area without really good directions. But my point is, if you accidentally wound up on the wrong side of Anthem Parkway, what are the odds you would find Evening Lights when you were supposed to be on Evening Twilight on the other side? Wouldn't you call someone and say "I'm here, but I can't find the house." The other person would say, "You're on the wrong side of the parkway, just run (and you WOULD have to run!) across the parkway and go blah, blah, blah."

I'm just sayin' if he was supposed to be on Evening Twilight and was on Evening Lights instead, what happened next? He would have to have known he was in the wrong place and how to get to the right place.

 

[laytonian]

It would be very difficult to navigate that area without really good directions. But my point is, if you accidentally wound up on the wrong side of Anthem Parkway, what are the odds you would find Evening Lights when you were supposed to be on Evening Twilight on the other side?

Evening Lights looks easier to find, than Evening Twilight

Wouldn't you call someone and say "I'm here, but I can't find the house." The other person would say, "You're on the wrong side of the parkway, just run (and you WOULD have to run!) across the parkway and go blah, blah, blah."

Heh. You'd think so. But maybe he didn't have the number, thought he wasn't lost, got frustrated.

I'm just sayin' if he was supposed to be on Evening Twilight and was on Evening Lights instead, what happened next? He would have to have known he was in the wrong place and how to get to the right place.

We don't know "what happened next" no matter how he got to where he ended up. :banghead: :banghead:

Remember, I just started this "got lost" theory when I found that an N household lived over there, on Chasma. Seeing Evening Twilight there, kinda just pinged.

OK, I'll shake the ping out

 

[RubyRed]

Ten new pictures of Steven have been added to the FB page. Some appear to be college graduation, others I can't tell.

Help Us Find Steven Koecher (Pictures)

Those are some nice pics that have been added.

 

[redsky]

Ten new pictures of Steven have been added to the FB page. Some appear to be college graduation, others I can't tell.

Help Us Find Steven Koecher (Pictures)

What a fabulous smile.

 

[sbakker]

It makes me very emotional when I look at those pictures of Steven. I do not have any sons, but daughters. And I have a daughter his age, who is also blonde. I know Steven's parent. I do not know steven. But I feel very drawn to him. I want him to be found (like all of you do) and hope the outcome would be good.