GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #1

[Gin]

Driving in a deserted parking lot is not the same as driving on the road. That is more acceptable to people. Parents take their kids for lessons in parking lots all the time.

That's true.
But most responsible parents make sure their teen drivers have a permit and obey the local driving curfew laws. (NV has these for under 18's. Basically it's no driving between 10pm and 5am with some exceptions that don't apply here.)

 

[alwaysonmymind]

it was revealed that Meyers' son told his mother she should come inside and call police, but she refused. She told him that if he didn't come along, she would go it alone. He said that when they tracked down the car, someone in the passenger seat began shooting at them. The mother and son then fled to their home, where Meyers was shot.

In all, 17 shell casings were recovered from the two shooting scenes, according to the report.
...According to the report, Nowsch told his friends that the green car began following the silver car that he was riding in, and then he saw a gun being pointed from the window of the green car. He then loaded his gun and started shooting at the green car. The green car fled, Nowsch said, and he and his friend followed it. Nowsch said that when the green car stopped at a house, he began firing at it and at someone who was running into the home.

Nowsch told his friends he fired 22 rounds, according to the report. He never told them that shots were fired at him.



Read more: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/2816...-pointed-at-him-before-he-fired#ixzz3SJWBoxZQ

From you link-

Both friends said that Nowsch came to their house after the shootings and told them he had shot people who were after him, according to the report. Nowsch said that he was at a park near the school where Meyers was teaching her daughter to drive, and that he noticed a green car looping the parking lot. He said he thought the people in the car were looking for him, so he called a friend who drives a silver, four-door car to pick him up from the park.


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[MeeBee]

That's true.
But most responsible parents make sure their teen drivers have a permit and follow the local driving curfew laws.

Right. Which is why I think the daughter was driving with no qualms from the mother.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Are they doing an autopsy on TM? Will we get to find out her blood alcohol level?

 

[newone]

That's true.
But most responsible parents make sure their teen drivers have a permit and follow the local driving curfew laws.

bbm: aka ''law abiding" and also just averse to trouble.....MOO

there'd be two layers at least of trouble that could be avoided....

 

[mimi56]

I just can't imagine after everything that's gone down they would insist on covering up something so insignificant (in comparison!) as the daughter driving without a permit or license. But who knows?

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

it was revealed that Meyers' son told his mother she should come inside and call police, but she refused. She told him that if he didn't come along, she would go it alone. He said that when they tracked down the car, someone in the passenger seat began shooting at them. The mother and son then fled to their home, where Meyers was shot.

In all, 17 shell casings were recovered from the two shooting scenes, according to the report.
...According to the report, Nowsch told his friends that the green car began following the silver car that he was riding in, and then he saw a gun being pointed from the window of the green car. He then loaded his gun and started shooting at the green car. The green car fled, Nowsch said, and he and his friend followed it. Nowsch said that when the green car stopped at a house, he began firing at it and at someone who was running into the home.

Nowsch told his friends he fired 22 rounds, according to the report. He never told them that shots were fired at him.



Read more: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/2816...-pointed-at-him-before-he-fired#ixzz3SJWBoxZQ

Interesting trackhit......thanks for the link.....so EN admitted to the shooting.

 

[sonjay]

Could be anything. I still wonder if there was a girl in the other car. Also wonder if she was involved with one of the men. And the whole horn honking story is just weird. What, exactly would make her want to grab attention from that other car??? (If it even happened.) Maybe mom was never driving, maybe it was daughter all the way home.
But, I can't get my head around a mother dropping off her daughter, picking up her son and his gun, and heading out to do a little...I dunno? Hunting?

Exactly. It could be anything. Nearly everything that we think we know could only have come originally from either the daughter or the son. TM is dead, so she's not saying, and the father was (or at least claims to have been) in California.

The original narrative was clearly false. Therefore, we cannot trust anything that either the daughter or the son has said.

We've been told the son was home sleeping. Who did that information come from? Either the daughter or the son. Neither of whom we can trust. The son may have been in the car all along.

There probably wasn't any driving lesson.
There probably wasn't any "road rage" incident.
There may not have been any horn honking.

The daughter may have been at home sleeping. The daughter may have been with EN in the other car.

The mother may or may not have been driving. The daughter may have been driving. The son may have been driving. The mother may not even have been in the car.

They may not have been anywhere near the school parking lot.

There may not have been anyone "following" anyone in a car. They all knew each other and lived only a block apart; why would either car need to "follow" the other one anywhere?

Once you realize how many lies have been told, and how much of what we think we know could have come only from people that we know have not told the truth, you realize that it's possible that none of what we think we know is true.

About the only thing I know for sure is that TM is dead. I'm pretty sure it's because she was shot, but until the autopsy is released I'm not even positive of that. I'm pretty sure the daughter and son were involved somehow, and that EN was involved somehow. I'm not at all sure that the father was in California, and he may have been at home or in the area when this happened.

The only solid indisputable fact in this case is that TM is dead. Everything else is completely in question.

 

[jjenny]

Most kids learn by driving without a permit anyway.

I'm not saying it's the point of all the lies they have told. There's obviously more to it than that. But I do think they are covering for the daughter driving the car when she honked.

I am doubtful that whole situation with the car honking happened at all. They were claiming a damage to the car but the damage is on the right side. The silver car was supposedly trying to pass them on the left side.
I don't know that anybody honked anything.

 

[MeeBee]

I just can't imagine after everything that's gone down they would insist on covering up something so insignificant (in comparison!) as the daughter driving without a permit or license. But who knows?

Why not? They covered up a lot of things, including that they knew the shooter.

I don't want to be misunderstood. I'm not saying the reason for all the lies to police and all their actions is about this one little thing. It's obviously much bigger than that and they are trying to cover up the fact that they played an aggressive role here and are not just innocent victims of road rage. It's possible. Her reaching over to honk the horn is telling to me.

 

[kimi_SFC]

This may not help totally, but part way through this tv broadcast tape they show kind of a birds eye view of the area with some of the landmarks noted.
https://vimeo.com/120128349

Based on this screengrab of the video Gin shared (awesome btw!), am I correct that in order for the M's to get to the Middle School, they must pass the N's household?
:waitasec:

This is assuming one would take the most direct route, of course.

:thinking:


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[MeeBee]

I am doubtful that whole situation with the car honking happened at all. They were claiming a damage to the car but the damage is on the right side. The silver car was supposedly trying to pass them on the left side.
I don't know that anybody honked anything.

Then why even mention it with something so specific as her reaching over and honking? Couldn't she have just said mom honked the horn?

 

[newone]

so a gun was pointed at EN from the green car......hmmmm interesting...

 

[newone]

Then why even mention it with something so specific as her reaching over and honking? Couldn't she have just said mom honked the horn?

cuz she was covering her butt

 

[kimi_SFC]

so a gun was pointed at EN from the green car......hmmmm interesting...

There was a green car live on CNN accosting reporter Sara Sidner yesterday - she said the passengers were M family members there to complain about how unfair MSM coverage and social media has treated their family. I watched it & posted about it onto the thread.

Could this be the same car?




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[jjenny]

Then why even mention it with something so specific as her reaching over and honking? Couldn't she have just said mom honked the horn?

Why not mention something so specific as suspect's name? Obviously we don't know what the deal is.

 

[sorrell skye]

I just can't imagine after everything that's gone down they would insist on covering up something so insignificant (in comparison!) as the daughter driving without a permit or license. But who knows?

Exactly.

The mom was shot on their front lawn, allegedly by someone they apparently knew. I'd say the least of their worries would have been the daughter supposedly driving illegally - nope, I can't envision that scenario at all.

When folks actively obstruct the investigation of the murder of a loved one, they're not doing it for benign reasons, IMO.

 

[SurfieTX]

Did Tammy work? And how did Bob get to Cali. Did he drive? How many cars do they have? Did Tammy and daughter borrow B's car? If the story that Erich was in the park and saw the car circling the parking lot is true, I wonder if he thought it was B? IF, IF his story is true, there's something about B that spooked Erich enough to grab his gun and call his friends to pick him up.

 

[MeeBee]

I also think the daughter was there the whole time. There are little statements she keeps making. She called her brother a hero, otherwise, "it could have been me too." How, if you were inside, could it have been you too?

 

[newone]

Exactly. It could be anything. Nearly everything that we think we know could only have come originally from either the daughter or the son. TM is dead, so she's not saying, and the father was (or at least claims to have been) in California.

The original narrative was clearly false. Therefore, we cannot trust anything that either the daughter or the son has said.

We've been told the son was home sleeping. Who did that information come from? Either the daughter or the son. Neither of whom we can trust. The son may have been in the car all along.

There probably wasn't any driving lesson.
There probably wasn't any "road rage" incident.
There may not have been any horn honking.

The daughter may have been at home sleeping. The daughter may have been with EN in the other car.

The mother may or may not have been driving. The daughter may have been driving. The son may have been driving. The mother may not even have been in the car.

They may not have been anywhere near the school parking lot.

There may not have been anyone "following" anyone in a car. They all knew each other and lived only a block apart; why would either car need to "follow" the other one anywhere?

Once you realize how many lies have been told, and how much of what we think we know could have come only from people that we know have not told the truth, you realize that it's possible that none of what we think we know is true.

About the only thing I know for sure is that TM is dead. I'm pretty sure it's because she was shot, but until the autopsy is released I'm not even positive of that. I'm pretty sure the daughter and son were involved somehow, and that EN was involved somehow. I'm not at all sure that the father was in California, and he may have been at home or in the area when this happened.

The only solid indisputable fact in this case is that TM is dead. Everything else is completely in question.

sheesh is this like Monty Python or more like Cheech & Chong gone wrong?