GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #1

[Miss Muffet]

bbm: what if it was pointed at him -- wouldn't a reasonable person think they might be shot?

It would be reasonable if the suspect killed her when he saw the gun pointed at him while they were all driving around in the cars, but he didn't shoot the mother until later in front of their house. That makes his merely seeing a gun less self defense unless the son actually fired the first shot at the house. Again, the same logic we're applying to Tammy Meyers should be applied to the suspect: If he feared for his life, he would not have followed the Meyers vehicle to their house. Self defense will only work if the son shot first at the house. Regardless of who shot first, the suspect has a darn good chance of convincing the jury that the son shot first since the Meyers family lies can be used to discredit them.

 

[trackhit]

She may have gone later so that no other cars would be in the school parking lot.

I do know that some teens do stress about learning how to parallel park and think it is the hardest thing to learn how to do.

Here in MA there was no parallel parking on the test. Just around the block, 3 point turn and home. Probably explains Boston drivers.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Perhaps they had planned to hide the car out of fear LE would be looking for it in regards to initial gunfight. Erich shows up and it's all FUBAR at that point.


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[Gin]

I don't personally think this had anything to do with driving. They may have been in cars, but that's it. I think this confrontation took place for reasons that have not come to light yet.

No one is going to cover up the identity of the person who shot their loved one, which these people clearly did, because they are worried about getting a ticket for their teenage daughter driving without a permit.

Just my opinion, it's quite possible the only thing relevant about the "driving lesson" is that it's a ruse, a cover up for the truth. (And I don't buy the lesson story.)
So it's really not specifically about the lesson or the permit...it's more about why the need for a possible cover-up story involving a young teen.

 

[*JMO*]

Am I getting a picture of the brother in the car with the sister driving, maybe...

This has been the only thing that has made sense (out of the senseless) to me from the very beginning.

I have always suspected that TM was caught in the crossfire but was not ever in the car.

Think about it, if mom and daughter came home and woke the son up to go out and hunt for this kid, how much time would it take for him to wake up, presumably pull on some pants and get his gun?

The time frame just doesn't work for me.


Neither does leaving her 15 year old daughter home alone with a threat that they "know where they live" while they go out armed, especially now that we learn that bullets were already flying a block away from the original altercation.

I just will not buy that this mother would do that. It defies logic. (granted, this case has not followed any logic, but still...)

The only motivation I can come up with for BM and the sister to make up this story that I just outlined would be to paint themselves as the total victims of an unknown road rage stranger and thus take away any responsibility they might have had in the sad outcome of their mother getting shot or that they had any culpability in the shooting.

I think mother entered the fray when it came to the house and she was shot in the crossfire. Like everyone else, I don't think there was a driving lesson. I think the two kids were perhaps circling the parking lot, maybe brandishing a gun, talking trash, did or did not fire the gun. They got in a shootout near the school, raced home with the other car in pursuit and more shots were fired from the silver car at them as they were in their yard. Sister may have ran into the house upon arrival but was there for the altercation.

Now, of course I could be way off. But it is the only way I can wrap my mind around the mother's role. I just can not accept that she would knowingly go home and wake her son, and put both her children in harms way when we now know shots had already been fired.

 

[Hiandmighty]

And the husband seems crazy/belligerent/over the top like he is really really trying hard to deflect attention but in the most attention grabbing way possible.

(Consciousness of guilt comes to mind.... :moo: ) (in that he knows the real story)

 

[kimi_SFC]

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[alwaysonmymind]

Here in MA there was no parallel parking on the test. Just around the block, 3 point turn and home. Probably explains Boston drivers.

Ha ha [emoji6]


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[Miss Muffet]

if he knew it was tammy and her daughter why did he think they were looking for him? idk

The most likely reason would be some type of prior conflict regarding illegal drugs.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And the husband seems crazy/belligerent/over the top like he is really really trying hard to deflect attention but in the most attention grabbing way possible.

(Consciousness of guilt comes to mind.... :moo: ) (in that he knows the real story)

Yes he comes across as very anger which is one of the stages of grieving.

I don't blame him one bit for being angry that his wife and the mother of his children was murdered right in her own driveway.

 

[Hiandmighty]

In my state, even first year licensed drivers have an 11 pm curfew on school nights, so I'm not buying the driving lesson story.

What if mom was drunk/inebriated and had the daughter drive her to the park... Not as a driving lesson but because she had business to conduct?

 

[newone]

http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Mug-sh...ccused-of-killing-Tammy-Meyers-293003901.html


"Police said as the two were traveling home, a vehicle sped up behind them and pulled along the driver's side. The daughter then honked the horn.

The report said the vehicle then pulled in front of Tammy and spun sideways, blocking her path. The daughter told police the driver got out and said, "I'm gonna come back for you and your daughter."

Tammy then sped around him and took off. The two returned home."

 

[jadejazzkayla]

But does there need to be residue for self defense? If someone is pointing a gun at me, am I supposed to wait and see if they actually shoot me, or can I fire to defend myself.

I have to think lawyers are lining up to take this kid's case. It's going to be the easiest self defense plea ever.
Ironically, if appears he can thank the victims family for basically handing him an acquittal.

Reasonable Doubt? It's just too easy on this one.

gsr test should be performed on Meyer participants to get the full array of evidence. for additional charges. imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't know if this has already been posted. If so, sorry.

Teenager charged with 'road rage' killing of mother who tried to look after him was 'seen firing his gun in public' days after murder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ired-gun-park-days-killing.html#ixzz3SK40dKvu
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[Hiandmighty]

Yes he comes across as very anger which is one of the stages of grieving.

I don't blame him one bit for being angry that his wife and the mother of his children was murdered right in her own driveway.

True, could be angry. But it seems odd that he has enough energy to scream and shout and all of that... IDK. His behavior grabs my attention but not in a sympathetic way.

I obviously could be wrong....

 

[LastActionHero]

Here in MA there was no parallel parking on the test. Just around the block, 3 point turn and home. Probably explains Boston drivers.

I had to parallel park my cah in havahd yahd. No but i had to parallel park for my test and am a M*******.

 

[Elley Mae]

So EN is in the park and sees a vehicle looping the school thinking they are looking for him. Why? Well from seeing some of the pictures he posted to what ever site I can imagine why he thought they were looking for him. So back to them leaving the lot and heading home. At some point EN thought they were following him, he refers to them as kids. If he was in a car that they did not recognize I can understand them not knowing it's the guy down the street, he's in a car that was probably unfamiliar to them. Shots were fired before they reached the house. idk just some things that stuck out to me. Personally I am leaning on mom (tammy) not being out but came out of the house when they ended up back there. jmo idk This is messed up.

 

[SeeAlice]

True, could be angry. But it seems odd that he has enough energy to scream and shout and all of that... IDK. His behavior grabs my attention but not in a sympathetic way.

I obviously could be wrong....

You do know Bob called KSNV from "on the road" en route from Los Angeles to Las Vegas immediately after the shooting, right?

Thoughts?

 

[*JMO*]

It's generally not self-defense if the person wanting to claim self-defense was the original aggressor, or the initiator of the altercation. If in fact EN followed TM and/or her son and/or her daughter to their house, he could easily be seen as the aggressor.

OTOH, this case is so weird that both sides could be seen as the aggressor. TM and/or her son and/or her daughter, or some combination thereof, left the house to go find EN and follow him. So they're the aggressor. But then he supposedly followed them, which then makes him the aggressor.

In any case, if it's going to difficult for any of these people to claim self-defense. According to reports, they were all, at some point, safe from the other side and then went back again for more.

If I were on a jury, I would likely have trouble convicting any of them based only on the testimony of lying liars, but I don't think I'd believe a claim of self-defense from any of them.

And I can see the complication of the "Stand Your Ground" defense which Nevada recognizes.

 

[SeeAlice]

For anyone who missed it, Tammy's sons own a head shop. (Drug paraphernalia.) Just FYI.