GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #2

[sonjay]

In readaing that police report, it strikes me the incident as described by both of EN's friends do not accommodate the assertion by the Meyers family that TM left the location of the alleged "road rage" and made it safely home, sent daughter inside, picked up son with gun, and went back out looking for the silver car.

Rather, the incident, as described by both of EN's friends indicate one single extended incident -- EN thought the green car was after him, saw someone waving a gun, shot at it, chased it or followed it into the Meyers cul-de-sac, and started shooting again.

This description is about third-hand -- EN told his friends who told police who wrote it down -- so it's possible something got lost along the way, but it lends credibility that both of the friends report EN describing one single extended incident.

Based on that, I think the green car (Meyers car) never went home and back out again. And that means that Brandon had to be in the car the whole time. There was an encounter, an altercation of some sort that escalated to shooting, then a chase to the Meyers home where the final shots were fired.

I'm quoting myself here because I think this is important, and I'd really like to know what others think. The accounts by the 2 friends of EN, in telling police what EN told them that night, strongly suggests to me that there was one single incident that involved an altercation that included gunfire, a chase into the Meyers' cul de sac, and the final gunfire that killed TM.

The police report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Altergott's account starts near the bottom of the fifth page
Krisztian's account starts in the middle of the sixth page.

If these two accounts are accurate, then TM in the green car never went home and back out again. That would mean that Brandon had to have been in the car with his gun the whole time. The daughter was either not in the car at all, or else she was also in the car the whole time (and she was probably the person seen running to the house during the cul de sac shooting).

If true, does this change our analysis of what may have happened? If Brandon was in the car with his gun for the entire incident from start to finish, that means he took his gun with him when left the house that night before anything had happened.

 

[Gypsy Road]

You know....EN's attorney must be very careful. If he comes right out and says his client was selling drugs to TM, then there's a good chance that the DA will just go ahead and slap on another charge (for selling drugs) for EN.

 

[katydid23]

I'm quoting myself here because I think this is important, and I'd really like to know what others think. The accounts by the 2 friends of EN, in telling police what EN told them that night, strongly suggests to me that there was one single incident that involved an altercation that included gunfire, a chase into the Meyers' cul de sac, and the final gunfire that killed TM.

The police report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Altergott's account starts near the bottom of the fifth page
Krisztian's account starts in the middle of the sixth page.

If these two accounts are accurate, then TM in the green car never went home and back out again. That would mean that Brandon had to have been in the car with his gun the whole time. The daughter was either not in the car at all, or else she was also in the car the whole time (and she was probably the person seen running to the house during the cul de sac shooting).

If true, does this change our analysis of what may have happened? If Brandon was in the car with his gun for the entire incident from start to finish, that means he took his gun with him when left the house that night before anything had happened.

That ^^^ would make more sense with the statement he allegedly made about 'getting those kids' that were after him.

What if Brandon told EN to STOP selling drugs to his Mom? And then he found out he didn't stop, so he went after him to threaten him to stop again.

It might also make sense with the alleged threats that EN said someone made about hurting HIS MOM. What if an angry son said ' If you keep selling drugs to my Mom, I will hurt yours to see how you like it..."

 

[SStarr33]

I'm quoting myself here because I think this is important, and I'd really like to know what others think. The accounts by the 2 friends of EN, in telling police what EN told them that night, strongly suggests to me that there was one single incident that involved an altercation that included gunfire, a chase into the Meyers' cul de sac, and the final gunfire that killed TM.

The police report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Altergott's account starts near the bottom of the fifth page
Krisztian's account starts in the middle of the sixth page.

If these two accounts are accurate, then TM in the green car never went home and back out again. That would mean that Brandon had to have been in the car with his gun the whole time. The daughter was either not in the car at all, or else she was also in the car the whole time (and she was probably the person seen running to the house during the cul de sac shooting).

If true, does this change our analysis of what may have happened? If Brandon was in the car with his gun for the entire incident from start to finish, that means he took his gun with him when left the house that night before anything had happened.

It's interesting they point out that EN was wearing a dark hoodie earlier. I guess that could be an explanation of why he was not recognized.

 

[PaperDoll]

I would think that EN would know who the green car (Buick) belongs to since he apparently knows the Meyers. So it just seems a tad bit odd to me that TM and KM were out driving in a parking lot and EN was out and about, too (at the same time) So why would EN think someone was after him? Was he in the school parking lot while the driving lesson was going on? From the police report it sounded, to me, like the Meyers did their driving thing and didn't notice EN following them until they left the school and were out on a main street, which by the way I'm not sure why they took that street to get home, seems like the long way around. Maybe KM was still driving and wanted more experience on the road???? After all she did honk the horn.

Then EN tells the story that he thought someone was after him and was pointing a gun so he fired shots. I'm thinking this is when the son and mom were in the car because the son was the one who brought his gun. But what prompted the "road rage" at first when mom and daughter were in the car?

 

[Miss Muffet]

I'm quoting myself here because I think this is important, and I'd really like to know what others think. The accounts by the 2 friends of EN, in telling police what EN told them that night, strongly suggests to me that there was one single incident that involved an altercation that included gunfire, a chase into the Meyers' cul de sac, and the final gunfire that killed TM.

The police report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Altergott's account starts near the bottom of the fifth page
Krisztian's account starts in the middle of the sixth page.

If these two accounts are accurate, then TM in the green car never went home and back out again. That would mean that Brandon had to have been in the car with his gun the whole time. The daughter was either not in the car at all, or else she was also in the car the whole time (and she was probably the person seen running to the house during the cul de sac shooting).

If true, does this change our analysis of what may have happened? If Brandon was in the car with his gun for the entire incident from start to finish, that means he took his gun with him when left the house that night before anything had happened.

I remember thinking the same thing when I read it last night, but I brushed it off as being the result of hearsay. Now that you brought it up, I realize that it's very possible it was one incident. The police are portraying this as if EM called his Audi friend AFTER the Meyers they left the parking lot. But that doesn't make sense and doesn't add up with the witness statements. EM would have called his friend while the green car was still at the school shortly after its arrival. There wouldn't have been time for the Meyers to get home, wake a young adult from sleep, etc.. This also explains why it seems the Audi caught up with the green car so quickly.

 

[sonjay]

I would think that EN would know who the green car (Buick) belongs to since he apparently knows the Meyers. So it just seems a tad bit odd to me that TM and KM were out driving in a parking lot and EN was out and about, too (at the same time) So why would EN think someone was after him? Was he in the school parking lot while the driving lesson was going on? From the police report it sounded, to me, like the Meyers did their driving thing and didn't notice EN following them until they left the school and were out on a main street, which by the way I'm not sure why they took that street to get home, seems like the long way around. Maybe KM was still driving and wanted more experience on the road???? After all she did honk the horn.

Then EN tells the story that he thought someone was after him and was pointing a gun so he fired shots. I'm thinking this is when the son and mom were in the car because the son was the one who brought his gun. But what prompted the "road rage" at first when mom and daughter were in the car?

I don't think mom and daughter were ever in the car at the school or park that night. I'm leaning toward Brandon was in the car the whole time. There was no driving lesson. There was no road rage. I think Brandon went looking for EN. Maybe with mom, maybe with sis, but I think it was Brandon who went looking for EN. And Brandon found EN, because he knew where to look for him, of course. And Brandon pointed a gun at EN. At which point, EN began shooting at Brandon, followed him home into the cul de sac, began firing again, and shot mom.

This version, if true, would absolutely not absolve EN for shooting TM, but it would sure make a lot more sense than the convoluted stories the Meyers have been pushing.

 

[katydid23]

I would think that EN would know who the green car (Buick) belongs to since he apparently knows the Meyers. So it just seems a tad bit odd to me that TM and KM were out driving in a parking lot and EN was out and about, too (at the same time) So why would EN think someone was after him? Was he in the school parking lot while the driving lesson was going on? From the police report it sounded, to me, like the Meyers did their driving thing and didn't notice EN following them until they left the school and were out on a main street, which by the way I'm not sure why they took that street to get home, seems like the long way around. Maybe KM was still driving and wanted more experience on the road???? After all she did honk the horn.

Then EN tells the story that he thought someone was after him and was pointing a gun so he fired shots. I'm thinking this is when the son and mom were in the car because the son was the one who brought his gun. But what prompted the "road rage" at first when mom and daughter were in the car?

I am not sure that Tammy was ever out in that parking lot. I think it is possible that it was the two kids that were in that car, and in the lot, looking for EN. And EN recognized the car and called for back up, because he knew they were angry with him. I don't think Brandon wanted a gun fight. I think he was just going to talk with EN, and confront him about something, like maybe about EN selling drugs to his Mom. But when the gun fire erupted he tried to get home to get his sis safe inside, but Mom came out and was the victim, sadly.

 

[Sweetgrits]

I'm quoting myself here because I think this is important, and I'd really like to know what others think. The accounts by the 2 friends of EN, in telling police what EN told them that night, strongly suggests to me that there was one single incident that involved an altercation that included gunfire, a chase into the Meyers' cul de sac, and the final gunfire that killed TM.

The police report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Altergott's account starts near the bottom of the fifth page
Krisztian's account starts in the middle of the sixth page.

If these two accounts are accurate, then TM in the green car never went home and back out again. That would mean that Brandon had to have been in the car with his gun the whole time. The daughter was either not in the car at all, or else she was also in the car the whole time (and she was probably the person seen running to the house during the cul de sac shooting).

If true, does this change our analysis of what may have happened? If Brandon was in the car with his gun for the entire incident from start to finish, that means he took his gun with him when left the house that night before anything had happened.

If I'm reading correctly these two statements don't match each other. ZA says EA told him he was at the school and he saw the green Buick drive around the school and he thought they were looking for him so he called a friend in a silver Audi to come pick him up. KK says he told them he was riding in the silver car and saw the green Buick driving around the school and saw that someone in the Buick was waving a gun at him. Is that how you guys read it?

Something that I've been thinking, several times EA says he thought the people in the green car were after him. What if he wasn't the one selling drugs but had been buying from Brandon. Since BM works at a legal weed store (sorry I don't know the correct name) could he have been selling a little product on the side and EA was a customer? Maybe EA asked BM to front him some weed and told him he would pay him next week but he didn't pay. Maybe that's the reason they were after him and the reason the Meyers made up the driving lesson. JMO

 

[Miss Muffet]

I would think that EN would know who the green car (Buick) belongs to since he apparently knows the Meyers. So it just seems a tad bit odd to me that TM and KM were out driving in a parking lot and EN was out and about, too (at the same time) So why would EN think someone was after him? Was he in the school parking lot while the driving lesson was going on? From the police report it sounded, to me, like the Meyers did their driving thing and didn't notice EN following them until they left the school and were out on a main street, which by the way I'm not sure why they took that street to get home, seems like the long way around. Maybe KM was still driving and wanted more experience on the road???? After all she did honk the horn.

Then EN tells the story that he thought someone was after him and was pointing a gun so he fired shots. I'm thinking this is when the son and mom were in the car because the son was the one who brought his gun. But what prompted the "road rage" at first when mom and daughter were in the car?

Perhaps the person who threatened him was a member of the Meyers family, and he knew it was the Meyers car. He thought he was shooting at Brandon and didn't realize TM was outside once he arrived at the house. I do believe he was truly mortified when he realized he had killed TM. To answer your question, I don't believe there was ever an incident of road rage.

 

[jjenny]

I wish someone could explain to me how LE allowed EN to get high before he was arrested?

He was in a stand off. They told him to come out. Apparently he agreed to come out voluntarily if he could get high first. I suppose at that point LE should have send a swat team in to prevent him from getting high.

 

[jjenny]

The two statements from friends about what EN told them don't exactly match each other. Which is not surprising, because it's their recollection of what he told them.

 

[rosie_lee]

I'm quoting myself here because I think this is important, and I'd really like to know what others think. The accounts by the 2 friends of EN, in telling police what EN told them that night, strongly suggests to me that there was one single incident that involved an altercation that included gunfire, a chase into the Meyers' cul de sac, and the final gunfire that killed TM.

The police report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Altergott's account starts near the bottom of the fifth page
Krisztian's account starts in the middle of the sixth page.

If these two accounts are accurate, then TM in the green car never went home and back out again. That would mean that Brandon had to have been in the car with his gun the whole time. The daughter was either not in the car at all, or else she was also in the car the whole time (and she was probably the person seen running to the house during the cul de sac shooting).

If true, does this change our analysis of what may have happened? If Brandon was in the car with his gun for the entire incident from start to finish, that means he took his gun with him when left the house that night before anything had happened.

I have read it multiple times and that is the way I am thinking also. En's friends never say the green car broke off & caught up with them again.

 

[jjenny]

I am not sure that Tammy was ever out in that parking lot. I think it is possible that it was the two kids that were in that car, and in the lot, looking for EN. And EN recognized the car and called for back up, because he knew they were angry with him. I don't think Brandon wanted a gun fight. I think he was just going to talk with EN, and confront him about something, like maybe about EN selling drugs to his Mom. But when the gun fire erupted he tried to get home to get his sis safe inside, but Mom came out and was the victim, sadly.

So why wouldn't he just say he was the one giving his sister a driving lesson. I think the statements are mostly accurate, and mother and daughter were down there driving that night.

 

[sonjay]

I am not sure that Tammy was ever out in that parking lot. I think it is possible that it was the two kids that were in that car, and in the lot, looking for EN. And EN recognized the car and called for back up, because he knew they were angry with him. I don't think Brandon wanted a gun fight. I think he was just going to talk with EN, and confront him about something, like maybe about EN selling drugs to his Mom. But when the gun fire erupted he tried to get home to get his sis safe inside, but Mom came out and was the victim, sadly.

I think you're right. I was leaning toward Brandon and mom in the car, but if it were Brandon and sis, that would explain EN's comment about getting "those kids." TM probably came outside just at the wrong moment -- maybe she heard the two cars pull into the cul de sac and went out to investigate, maybe she had an inkling that her son & daughter were out looking for trouble and was worried about them. But yeah, Brandon and sis in the car would explain a lot. And would explain how sis got involved in the story.

 

[jjenny]

I have read it multiple times and that is the way I am thinking also. En's friends never say the green car broke off & caught up with them again.

Maybe EN omitted that detail when he told them the story. Maybe they don't remember all the details. Try telling a story to a group of people and see if they recall it exactly as you told it.

 

[sonjay]

The two statements from friends about what EN told them don't exactly match each other. Which is not surprising, because it's their recollection of what he told them.

True, and in fact if they matched each other exactly down to the last detail it would be quite surprising.

But they're very similar, and they do correlate with each other in describing one single extended incident that started at or by the school/park and ended at the house.

In both accounts, there is no point in the story when the green car went away and then came back. In both accounts, once the incident started, the two cars were essentially "together" the entire time.

 

[PaperDoll]

EN said that he was at a recording studio with his friend, Chris, but Chris said he wasn't with EN but took him to a casino then picked him up again and dropped him off at the park. So someone is lying. EN lives right near the park so why did he call his friend, who drove the Audi, to come pick him up, where was he taking him? Do you think he was out to get the "green car that he thought was after him? Something doesn't sound right. I don't believe it was road rage either, I think there is more going on.

 

[jjenny]

EN apparently has people picking him up and dropping him off day in and day out. Maybe he doesn't like to walk. For whatever reason, he doesn't drive.

 

[Miss Muffet]

If I'm reading correctly these two statements don't match each other. ZA says EA told him he was at the school and he saw the green Buick drive around the school and he thought they were looking for him so he called a friend in a silver Audi to come pick him up. KK says he told them he was riding in the silver car and saw the green Buick driving around the school and saw that someone in the Buick was waving a gun at him. Is that how you guys read it?

This either an excellent example of how witnesses can be unreliable because of their interpretation of what they see/hear, or an example of a terribly written police report. It's possible the police only included the first part of what ZA said and the second part of what KK said. I always thought it was fishy that ZA and KK said it was a two door silver Audi sedan. That's a detail that I do not believe EM would bother to mention when he was telling a story. .

Something that I've been thinking, several times EA says he thought the people in the green car were after him. What if he wasn't the one selling drugs but had been buying from Brandon. Since BM works at a legal weed store (sorry I don't know the correct name) could he have been selling a little product on the side and EA was a customer? Maybe EA asked BM to front him some weed and told him he would pay him next week but he didn't pay. Maybe that's the reason they were after him and the reason the Meyers made up the driving lesson. JMO

It's possible because anything is possible at this point. Just like it's possible the Meyers family could have been his suppliers, and he owed them a ton of money because someone robbed him. Remember, friends said he bought a gun because he was getting robbed all the time. When you're robbed as a dealer, you still owe your supplier if the produce was fronted. Then you've got an angry supplier coming to look for his money.